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Matt 26z · 01-01-2006, 03:31 PM

I have noticed several made-for-internet content providers claiming HDV.

First of all, anyone selling true HDV source content to webmasters is selling trips to space before the orbiting hotel is even built. That stuff is NOT usable to it's fullest online potential yet, and it won't be anytime in the near future.

Secondly, when you take HDV source video and encode it for realistic filesizes to download or stream, guess what? It's not HDV anymore. You CAN NOT just wave the HDV banner anytime you want. HDV is not subjective from viewer to viewer. It's either HDV or it's not. I have *NEVER* seen a HDV video offered online (streaming or downloading) outside of "Oh oh, look what's coming!" type board threads.

Real world online commercial use? Forget about it.

Yes, you hypothetically speaking could offer downloadable HDV. Unfortunately we are talking about files that are gigantic. You can replicate cable TV quality on full computer screen at just under 20 megabytes per minute of video.

I don't know how much it would take for HDV. You tell me. I've never tried it, but I think an accurate estimate would be 60-75 MB per minute to produce a "good enough" full screen HDV file. Something good enough for people to believe is true HDV.

Thing is, there are very few surfers who want to download a 300 MB file for a 15 minute scene just to get full screen TV quality. Once you get into HDV, we're probably talking around 1 gig for a single scene.

Streaming it...

In another thread I stated it would be a decade before we are streaming HDV video. iAlien (who is in the HDV business) said "Bull fucking shit. I give it 6 months to a year."

The only way surfers will be streaming HDV within the next year is if all the major ISP's upgrade their download speeds beyond belief in that time. It's not realistic. It's not realistic to say they'll do it in the next 5 years either.

We're talking the equivalent of offering streaming broadband content in 1998 while everyone was still on dialup. The only difference is that the mega download speeds needed to stream HDV won't be available to everyone as quickly.

There are only two ways we will be downloading or streaming HDV within the next 5 years. There will either have to be drastic line speed increases for the average surfer, or major advancements in encoding technology. I'm not expecting either on the level in which we need them.

01-01-2006, 03:31 PM
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	HDV content providers are selling you a dream. I have noticed several made-for-internet content providers claiming HDV. First of all, anyone selling true HDV source content to webmasters is selling trips to space before the orbiting hotel is even built. That stuff is NOT usable to it's fullest online potential yet, and it won't be anytime in the near future. Secondly, when you take HDV source video and encode it for realistic filesizes to download or stream, guess what? It's not HDV anymore. You CAN NOT just wave the HDV banner anytime you want. HDV is not subjective from viewer to viewer. It's either HDV or it's not. I have NEVER seen a HDV video offered online (streaming or downloading) outside of "Oh oh, look what's coming!" type board threads. Real world online commercial use? Forget about it. Yes, you hypothetically speaking could offer downloadable HDV. Unfortunately we are talking about files that are gigantic. You can replicate cable TV quality on full computer screen at just under 20 megabytes per minute of video. I don't know how much it would take for HDV. You tell me. I've never tried it, but I think an accurate estimate would be 60-75 MB per minute to produce a "good enough" full screen HDV file. Something good enough for people to believe is true HDV. Thing is, there are very few surfers who want to download a 300 MB file for a 15 minute scene just to get full screen TV quality. Once you get into HDV, we're probably talking around 1 gig for a single scene. Streaming it... In another thread I stated it would be a decade before we are streaming HDV video. iAlien (who is in the HDV business) said "Bull fucking shit. I give it 6 months to a year." The only way surfers will be streaming HDV within the next year is if all the major ISP's upgrade their download speeds beyond belief in that time. It's not realistic. It's not realistic to say they'll do it in the next 5 years either. We're talking the equivalent of offering streaming broadband content in 1998 while everyone was still on dialup. The only difference is that the mega download speeds needed to stream HDV won't be available to everyone as quickly. There are only two ways we will be downloading or streaming HDV within the next 5 years. There will either have to be drastic line speed increases for the average surfer, or major advancements in encoding technology. I'm not expecting either on the level in which we need them.