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  • Centurion
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 6033
    #1

    Signups. Is the economy in a much worse state than we thought

    This has been the WORST November for signups in years.
    Not only are new signups sucking, but cancellations & declines are at their highest rates for me.


    Could it be that "down deep", money is still hard to come by for those "casual" items? I was reading that here in Seattle, the day after Thanksgiving traditional big retail sales day was fairly decent, but then the rest of the weekend was basically tits up.

    What do you think? Oversaturation of the market, or are people being a lot tighter with that penny of theirs before they finally let it go to buy something?
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    • latinasojourn
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2003
      • 3191
      #2
      90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

      surfers have seen it all now.

      very little original looking content.

      asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

      adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

      but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

      clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

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        • KRL
          Entrepreneur
          • Oct 2002
          • 31429
          #3
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            • Rankings
              Adult SEO
              • Jan 2004
              • 10633
              #4
              How many memberships does 1 person need?
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                • SmutGiant
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4896
                  #5
                  Originally posted by input
                  How many memberships does 1 person need?
                  About five.

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                    • SmutGiant
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 4896
                      #6
                      On the same note, I posted in a previous thread that IMO we are under charging surfers. I'm not gonna go in depth here, but another reason to add to that is since all the free porn and economic troubles are having an effect on our downline, shouldn't we at least try to squeeze more juice out of those surfers who DO pay for our services?

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                        • DomBuyer
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2595
                          #7
                          I'd say there's a much more benign reason: the proliferation of free porn.

                          You think "free" will only destroy the music and movie business, but not the porn business? You're dreamin'.

                          Free porn is everywhere, and there's more than enough to sustain for a full jerk, and that's the bottom line. Got nothing to do with the economy, since porn is not a "rational" purchase anyway.


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                            • VeriSexy
                              Join The Royal Family
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 25463
                              #8
                              Originally posted by DomBuyer
                              I'd say there's a much more benign reason: the proliferation of free porn.

                              You think "free" will only destroy the music and movie business, but not the porn business? You're dreamin'.

                              Free porn is everywhere, and there's more than enough to sustain for a full jerk, and that's the bottom line. Got nothing to do with the economy, since porn is not a "rational" purchase anyway.


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                                • Pornwolf
                                  Drunk and Unruly
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 22712
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                  The next wave is coming.
                                  What do you mean?
                                  I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                  Webair, bitches.

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                                    • Nader
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 5086
                                      #10
                                      A few reasons why...

                                      Smarter surfers that have been burned once and know how it works now. Buy a trial then cancel before it converts.. too easy

                                      majority of people in the world have computers so it's not hot or new anymore.

                                      But overall there is still alot to be made..just got to make more moves instead of sticking to one thing.

                                      Last edited by Nader; 11-30-2004, 07:48 PM.

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                                        • Theo
                                          HAL 9000
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 34515
                                          #11
                                          If something is going on, there's only one thing for sure: you cannot do anything to stop it. So my best advice is to act smart and cash from what others do not do

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                                            • Centurion
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Dec 2002
                                              • 6033
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                              90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

                                              surfers have seen it all now.

                                              very little original looking content.

                                              asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

                                              adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

                                              but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

                                              clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.
                                              Those are some very good points.

                                              The only problem is that one legged midget tranny grandmas are getting harder and harder to find to videotape! (And they know it too! They want a BUNDLE for just one hour's work!)

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                                                • slavdogg
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                  • 3570
                                                  #13
                                                  our adult biz is at all time highs
                                                  yesterday nov 29th was the record day accross the board
                                                  Adult Traffic for Sale

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                                                    • Veterans Day
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 8403
                                                      #14
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                                                        • Dawgy
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 5856
                                                          #15
                                                          hmm

                                                          best november ever, best month all year, every day beat the previous.

                                                          the revolution is coming.

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                                                            • Tat2Jr
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                              • 4882
                                                              #16
                                                              November was very good to us. It all boils down to having exclusive content. I have personally shot all my own content since 1997, and only shoot niches that I know, and understand.
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                                                                • The Bootyologist
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                  • 2912
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                  90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

                                                                  surfers have seen it all now.

                                                                  very little original looking content.

                                                                  asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

                                                                  adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

                                                                  but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

                                                                  clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.
                                                                  i couldnt agree with latinasojourn more

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                                                                    • Easton
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                      • 9825
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Centurion
                                                                      This has been the WORST November for signups in years.
                                                                      it's been my best november on record... see sig for Wild West Cash and read the threads about it
                                                                      New models booked and shot every week... MILFs, pornstars and teens. Girls for every niche and project.
                                                                      Looking for high-quality affordable exclusive content? Check me out at Easton Content for all the details.

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                                                                        • CET
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 2754
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Centurion
                                                                          This has been the WORST November for signups in years.
                                                                          Not only are new signups sucking, but cancellations & declines are at their highest rates for me.


                                                                          Could it be that "down deep", money is still hard to come by for those "casual" items? I was reading that here in Seattle, the day after Thanksgiving traditional big retail sales day was fairly decent, but then the rest of the weekend was basically tits up.

                                                                          What do you think? Oversaturation of the market, or are people being a lot tighter with that penny of theirs before they finally let it go to buy something?
                                                                          I don't know what the economy in Canada is like or how many of your customers are American or not, but it is fallicious to take an experience in one industry and apply it to the whole economy. You're trying to apply a micro-economic problem to a macro-economic situation and it's simply apples and oranges.

                                                                          America's GDP was up last quarter by 4%, and all indexes are up and have been steadily so for every quarter since the 4th quarter of 2001. Our economy IS recovering, albeit slowly, but it is recovering.

                                                                          Walmart reported that sales were only up by 1% from the previous year. Oh darn, only 1% growth. The year before that sales were only up by 2% from the year before that. I'll get worried when they start reporting that sales are down from the previous year, and that has yet to happen in my lifetime.

                                                                          Consider this, perhaps people are unsubscribing so that they can pay for presents for their family and friends. Does this seem to happen every year? What about other reporting the best November on record? Are they fucked up and your experience is the true reflection of an entire economy?
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                                                                            • CET
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                              • 2754
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                              90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

                                                                              surfers have seen it all now.

                                                                              very little original looking content.

                                                                              asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

                                                                              adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

                                                                              but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

                                                                              clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.
                                                                              Well said.
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                                                                              Fitness and nutrition writer, and UNIX/Linux Sys Ad in training

                                                                              "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 31429
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                                                                  What do you mean?
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                                                                                    • aaron
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                      • 4452
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                      dating is where its at. Retention is sick. Not people forgetting about the rebills either, just plain sick

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                                                                                        • Centurion
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                          • 6033
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by CET
                                                                                          I don't know what the economy in Canada is like or how many of your customers are American or not, but it is fallicious to take an experience in one industry and apply it to the whole economy. You're trying to apply a micro-economic problem to a macro-economic situation and it's simply apples and oranges.
                                                                                          Uh huh...

                                                                                          Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!

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                                                                                            • Nicky
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                              • 30071
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                                              90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

                                                                                              surfers have seen it all now.

                                                                                              very little original looking content.

                                                                                              asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

                                                                                              adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

                                                                                              but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

                                                                                              clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.
                                                                                              Amen

                                                                                              gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by input
                                                                                                  How many memberships does 1 person need?
                                                                                                  From seminars I have attended, 10 is about the average

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                                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Centurion
                                                                                                      Uh huh...

                                                                                                      Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!
                                                                                                      Isn't Seattle in Canada?

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                                                                                                        • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                          • 51692
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I've had my best month in a fucking while now
                                                                                                          Last edited by Doctor Dre; 11-30-2004, 11:52 PM.
                                                                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Easton
                                                                                                              it's been my best november on record... see sig for Wild West Cash and read the threads about it
                                                                                                              Well, this is only the second one for SexPicturesPass, but it is a lot better than the first one for sure

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                                                                                                                • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                  • 51692
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                  Isn't Seattle in Canada?
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                    • Kimmykim
                                                                                                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                      • 16015
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Actually in times of economic crunch, the typical demographic for this industry spends more on escapist pasttimes like drinking or online porn than they do in better times...

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                                                                                                                        • CET
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 2754
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Centurion
                                                                                                                          Uh huh...

                                                                                                                          Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!
                                                                                                                          Out of my entire post, that's all you have to say? Talk about missing the forest for all the trees.
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                                                                                                                          Fitness and nutrition writer, and UNIX/Linux Sys Ad in training

                                                                                                                          "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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                                                                                                                            • slavdogg
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                              • 3570
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                                              Actually in times of economic crunch, the typical demographic for this industry spends more on escapist pasttimes like drinking or online porn than they do in better times...
                                                                                                                              escapist
                                                                                                                              Adult Traffic for Sale

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                                                                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 14625
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  X-mas shoppers are starting later and later. My mainstream stuff is running right on track with last year and we lost some key domains.

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                                                                                                                                    • flashfire
                                                                                                                                      ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 13098
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I did well in November and intend to do the same in december

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                                                                                                                                        • AnalProbe
                                                                                                                                          pain in the Ass
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 3727
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          I am doing very well.

                                                                                                                                          I am a happy puppy.

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                                                                                                                                            • Libertine
                                                                                                                                              sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 17860
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by AnalProbe
                                                                                                                                              I am doing very well.

                                                                                                                                              I am a happy puppy.
                                                                                                                                              Trying to save on hosting?
                                                                                                                                              /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                • andrej_NDC
                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 7760
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                                                                                  hmm

                                                                                                                                                  best november ever, best month all year, every day beat the previous.

                                                                                                                                                  yup, same for me. Thumbs up!

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                                                                                                                                                    • Va2k
                                                                                                                                                      I’m still alive barley.
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 10060
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Well I dont normaly like to toot my own horn but Nov has been one of the best months for my sites!! Hell I may of even broken my old record *shrugs* BUT that was for my site as for me being an AFF, it sucked.

                                                                                                                                                      Tom

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                                                                                                                                                        • Shaddam IV
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 810
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          we need more TGPs

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                                                                                                                                                            • groark
                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 1966
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              My, Bandwith Usage / Signups ratio was better... Nothing to complain about

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