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  • SplitInfinity
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 3047

    #1

    A Password Site - Shut The Hell Down!

    Well, remember this site you guys posted about before?
    I signed up just to see what was going on with it.... I found out
    everything they were up to and got some local law enforcement
    involved. They had passwords, stolen credit cards and more....

    Here is the email they sent to their member base....

    From: [email protected]
    Subject: PASSNETVIPFORUM INFO
    Date: June 3, 2005 8:27:09 PM PDT
    To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and 32 more...

    OUR SITE GOT DOWN BECAUSE ALL OUR DATABSSE WILL BE ANALIZED BEFORE GETTING ONLINE AGAIN, THE ADMIN ARE SCANNING ALL THE FORUM TO CHECK IF THERE IS NOT ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE
    THANKS

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  • media
    Confirmed Moneymaker
    • Apr 2002
    • 9853

    #2
    Nice work Chris!!! I'm sure we can all appreciate your leg work...
    I'm here for the violence!

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    • Shoehorn!
      Die With Your Boots On
      • Oct 2003
      • 22872

      #3
      Originally posted by SplitInfinity
      Well, remember this site you guys posted about before?
      I signed up just to see what was going on with it.... I found out
      everything they were up to and got some local law enforcement
      involved. They had passwords, stolen credit cards and more....

      Here is the email they sent to their member base....

      From: [email protected]
      Subject: PASSNETVIPFORUM INFO
      Date: June 3, 2005 8:27:09 PM PDT
      To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and 32 more...

      OUR SITE GOT DOWN BECAUSE ALL OUR DATABSSE WILL BE ANALIZED BEFORE GETTING ONLINE AGAIN, THE ADMIN ARE SCANNING ALL THE FORUM TO CHECK IF THERE IS NOT ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE
      THANKS

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      • chadglni
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2002
        • 6924

        #4
        Eh, looks like you scared them straight but there is nothing law enforcement can do to the owners unless they were posting hacks or credit cards themselves.


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        • Alky
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2002
          • 5651

          #5
          if law enforcement got involved... i doubt they would have had a chance to email their members.. it would have been seized in a warrant

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          • chadglni
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2002
            • 6924

            #6
            Originally posted by Alky
            if law enforcement got involved... i doubt they would have had a chance to email their members.. it would have been seized in a warrant
            Law enforcement can't stop them from running a forum. The members are responsible for their own shit they post. Otherwise aol, yahoo, and all other big sites would be shut down already.


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            • pr0
              rockin tha trailerpark
              • May 2001
              • 23088

              #7
              Originally posted by Alky
              if law enforcement got involved... i doubt they would have had a chance to email their members.. it would have been seized in a warrant
              their in another country & probably don't care no doubt

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              • foxxx
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2002
                • 573

                #8
                no speaka the engrish :/
                yeah, that site's probably up again somewhere else...

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                • Alky
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 5651

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chadglni
                  Law enforcement can't stop them from running a forum. The members are responsible for their own shit they post. Otherwise aol, yahoo, and all other big sites would be shut down already.
                  wrong..the data is on your server...say people post credit card #'s on your server... you better bet your ass you could get in trouble for that

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                  • datatank
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 5471

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Alky
                    wrong..the data is on your server...say people post credit card #'s on your server... you better bet your ass you could get in trouble for that


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                    • V_RocKs
                      Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 32449

                      #11
                      Originally posted by chadglni
                      Law enforcement can't stop them from running a forum. The members are responsible for their own shit they post. Otherwise aol, yahoo, and all other big sites would be shut down already.
                      If the admins opened the website for hacking/cracking and actively promoted the activity, then yes, they can be charged with conspiracy to commit what ever crimes the posters will be charged with.

                      BTW... The FBI has a very well funded cyber crimes division with some very talented people and local offices all over the US.

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                      • Dirty Dane
                        Sick Fuck
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 9491

                        #12
                        "OUR DATABSSE WILL BE ANALIZED"

                        that sounds brutal

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                        • opflix
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1428

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alky
                          wrong..the data is on your server...say people post credit card #'s on your server... you better bet your ass you could get in trouble for that
                          this may be correct but i recall someone saying there was a court case about this.... i searched a bit but can't find a link (if it exists). anyone else?



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                          • tradermcduck
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2001
                            • 2362

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                            "OUR DATABSSE WILL BE ANALIZED"

                            that sounds brutal
                            MarkB

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                            • SplitInfinity
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 3047

                              #15
                              I offered myself as a witness. The owners of that site contact me on AIM and in email saying "I have uploaded new credit cards, thank you for your patronage".

                              LOL!!

                              I am a paying member of that site... a seed if you will. :-)
                              So they are in trouble now big time... I set them up. LOL

                              Cancelled my credit card and got a new number shortly after signing up by the way.

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                              • xXxtreme2005
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 717

                                #16
                                good job bro!


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                                • SplitInfinity
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2002
                                  • 3047

                                  #17
                                  I was just notified that there were about 113 credit card transactions that hit my cancelled credit card number just after I signed up there. THOSE IDIOTS were RAPING their own member base...... Thank god I cancelled the number cuz I b smart.
                                  :-)

                                  That is even more evidence since they were the ONLY ones who had that card number.

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                                  • adonthenet
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 16753

                                    #18
                                    suckssss

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                                    • FilthyRob
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2004
                                      • 6741

                                      #19
                                      What a bunch of losers
                                      AKA - Clubsexy

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                                      • SplitInfinity
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 3047

                                        #20
                                        UPDATE.....


                                        I just got an email from the owner of that site who was emailing all the members...
                                        I bet he had a local copy of the database on his computer....

                                        He is in even more trouble now....


                                        From: [email protected]
                                        Subject: VIP INFO
                                        Date: June 5, 2005 9:03:52 AM PDT

                                        (BEFORE I WRITTE SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH BUT I SPEAK SPANISH)
                                        WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FORUM?
                                        WELL ON JUNE 2 SOME MEMBER OF THE BOARD, ADDED CHILD PORN TO OUR FORUM MANY MANY ABOUT THIS ILLEGLA STUFF AND THE SAME DAY HE REPORT US TO THE ADMIN OF THE SERVER THEN OUR SITE GOT CLOSED BY THIS BUT I WILL OPEN THE SAME FORUM WITH ANOTHER HOST AND ALSO I WILL OPEN ANOTHER FORUM
                                        MAYBE WILL BE TWO
                                        THIS OPENING FORUMS WILL BE NEXT WEEK SO TELL TO YOUR FRIENDS
                                        I ILL CONTINUE EMAILING YOU!!!
                                        THANKS!!!!

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                                        He wont be going up so long as I am in his member database. :-)
                                        Also the CP he refers to was posted by the sites co-owner, not a member. lol

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                                        • BukkakeBrown
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2003
                                          • 734

                                          #21
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                                          • SplitInfinity
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 3047

                                            #22
                                            Hey, just got another email..... and thier new host is already on it! lol


                                            From: [email protected]
                                            Subject: WE ARE BACK
                                            Date: June 5, 2005 4:31:04 PM PDT

                                            CHEC THE FORUM AND I THINK IT WILL BE DOWN AGAIN FOR OTHER REASONS SO I AM CREATING A NEW OTHER FORUM I ILL TELL YOU WHICH ONE
                                            BUT I ILL DO MY BEST TO GET THE BOARD ON VERY WELL ANY WAY I AM WORKING HARD FOR ALL THE MEMBERS
                                            SORRY
                                            AND THANKS FOR BE INTERESTED

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                                            • NTSS
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 5688

                                              #23
                                              Good work
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                                              • manne
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Sep 2003
                                                • 641

                                                #24
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                                                • MandyBlake
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                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 17761

                                                  #25
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                                                  • xlogger
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                    • 9507

                                                    #26
                                                    http://passnetvipforum.com/forum/index.php

                                                    Dont seem to be down.

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                                                    • Gawdy
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2005
                                                      • 397

                                                      #27
                                                      Well done dude!
                                                      hello

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                                                      • fris
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 55703

                                                        #28
                                                        it will be up again on another provider. in a week or 2, happpens with every password forum.
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                                                        • SplitInfinity
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 3047

                                                          #29
                                                          I just got off the phone with their new host.... they are going to shut them down as well. :-)

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                                                          • emthree
                                                            Dialer Kingpin
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 10816

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SplitInfinity
                                                            I just got off the phone with their new host.... they are going to shut them down as well. :-)

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                                                            • SplitInfinity
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                              • 3047

                                                              #31
                                                              I got them on the run!

                                                              Special thanks to EpicCash for allowing us to track the attacks from these jerks.
                                                              Their team has been VERY involved in helping me gather forensics...
                                                              I hope I didnt spell that wrong. :-)

                                                              So today, ME, being a member of their board and all, received the following email
                                                              after I got them shut down once again. I must admit, they are trying hard to keep
                                                              their customers happy... Even emailing them passwords now. I hope this trend stops.

                                                              I will continue to shut them down everywhere they go. Im on a mission.

                                                              (PASSWORDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED BY ME TO PROTECT THE RESPECTIVE SITES
                                                              as THEY STILL WORK.)

                                                              And the email reads....

                                                              From: [email protected]
                                                              Subject: SORRY FOR THE BOARD OFFLINE BUT HERE YOU HAVE
                                                              Date: June 12, 2005 5:47:31 AM PDT

                                                              http://knigfht117:[email protected]/
                                                              http://polflock1:[email protected]/indexNF.html


                                                              http://www.blacksweeties.com/login/login.cgi

                                                              olympic:74337747
                                                              mebert:mayn3or
                                                              monauni:grmspsi
                                                              rickroyal:majaor2
                                                              minceyt:1a2aab3c
                                                              parothd:yang3kees
                                                              okg8mon:8888dgf8888
                                                              mickyd:greedd44
                                                              rallek:qaywsdw3x
                                                              natsass:natsfefget
                                                              pdiogo:placeghybo1
                                                              moverfe:stacethyj

                                                              http://jade122:[email protected]/index.html (65.64.31.217:8000)
                                                              http://jmoser:[email protected]/index.html (219.22.166.32:8080)
                                                              http://gvrgd900:[email protected]/index.html (host-148-244-150-58.block.alestra.net.mx:80)
                                                              http://forced:[email protected]/index.html (213.13.117.245:80)
                                                              http://guitar:[email protected]/index.html (217.125.102.198:80)
                                                              http://gigrl78:[email protected]/index.html (67.39.161.11:8080)
                                                              http://gf1gt050:[email protected]/index.html (210.226.122.242:2301)
                                                              http://hollyfb:[email protected]/index.html (220.132.154.177:80)
                                                              http://telrly5:[email protected]/index.html (67.102.57.230:444)

                                                              http://www.oldfartfuckin.com/members/

                                                              desr03:narsctar
                                                              Nobody:zufgang
                                                              ripsy69:12345f36

                                                              http://gollum:[email protected]_Home.html
                                                              http://1rixware:[email protected]_Home.html
                                                              http://patri33ck:[email protected]_Home.html
                                                              http://grbgr35b:[email protected]_Home.html

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                                                              • SplitInfinity
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 3047

                                                                #32
                                                                bump
                                                                bump

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                                                                • natas
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 3377

                                                                  #33
                                                                  good work bro

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                                                                  • SplitInfinity
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                    • 3047

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Update... received this email again today after getting them shut down once again....


                                                                    Return-Path: <[email protected]>
                                                                    Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f28.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.78])
                                                                    by mx01.splitinfinity.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5GIQEkD018702
                                                                    for <[email protected]>; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:26:14 -0700
                                                                    Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
                                                                    Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:49:14 -0700
                                                                    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
                                                                    Received: from 200.64.86.78 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
                                                                    Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:13 GMT
                                                                    X-Originating-IP: [200.64.86.78]
                                                                    X-Originating-Email: [[email protected]]
                                                                    X-Sender: [email protected]
                                                                    From: "NETSPLOITER NETSPLOITER" <[email protected]>
                                                                    Bcc:
                                                                    Subject: PASSNETVIPFORUM WILL BE ONLINE AGAIN TODAY!!!
                                                                    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:13 +0000
                                                                    Mime-Version: 1.0
                                                                    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
                                                                    X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2005 18:49:14.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[174ECB50:01C572A4]



                                                                    ENJOY WE WILL BE BACK TODAY

                                                                    SORRY

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                                                                    • katesk8
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                      • 5

                                                                      #35
                                                                      New Info

                                                                      Hello ---- I found your site by doing a Google search using this guy's email address. He has been hacking into my board for fun for the last 2 weeks. We have nothing for him to steal -- we are a figure skating board -- no adult content at all.

                                                                      I reported him to the FBI, cert.org, us-cert.gov, his host (who in turn filed a report with the Mexican authorities), PayPal (he tried to extort money from me using his PayPal account), and Yahoo (this is the email address he was using [email protected]). I also reported him to a couple of ISP's based on IP's that he was using, but I quickly realized that he was using a Proxy (countries ranged from Brazil to Uruguay to Mexico). I think his phone number is +52.5527280574 -- this was identical on old and new DNS records, though the address in Mexico changed. I'm pretty sure his first name is Rodrigo, but his middle and last names are fuzzy (they were different on the two DNS records I saw). We were able to get his host to shut him down today, but it appears he has already found alternate hosting (netwunders.com).

                                                                      I emailed the new hosting company's CEO and in addition to all the information I had, I emailed him a copy of this thread.

                                                                      Since you all have more experience in this than me, is there anything else I should do? Anyone want to call him? Or sign him up for Christian news groups? Just kidding ---- Seriously though, any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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                                                                      • Slap Dot
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 3168

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Owned. Mother fuckers.

                                                                        » AIM: slapdotted
                                                                        » Skype: slapdot
                                                                        » ICQ: 190444

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                                                                        • katesk8
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                          • 5

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Actually, I just realized I might have contacted the wrong new host. Someone help me figure out who it is?

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                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 28609

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by katesk8
                                                                            Hello ---- I found your site by doing a Google search using this guy's email address. He has been hacking into my board for fun for the last 2 weeks. We have nothing for him to steal -- we are a figure skating board -- no adult content at all.

                                                                            I reported him to the FBI, cert.org, us-cert.gov, his host (who in turn filed a report with the Mexican authorities), PayPal (he tried to extort money from me using his PayPal account), and Yahoo (this is the email address he was using [email protected]). I also reported him to a couple of ISP's based on IP's that he was using, but I quickly realized that he was using a Proxy (countries ranged from Brazil to Uruguay to Mexico). I think his phone number is +52.5527280574 -- this was identical on old and new DNS records, though the address in Mexico changed. I'm pretty sure his first name is Rodrigo, but his middle and last names are fuzzy (they were different on the two DNS records I saw). We were able to get his host to shut him down today, but it appears he has already found alternate hosting (netwunders.com).

                                                                            I emailed the new hosting company's CEO and in addition to all the information I had, I emailed him a copy of this thread.

                                                                            Since you all have more experience in this than me, is there anything else I should do? Anyone want to call him? Or sign him up for Christian news groups? Just kidding ---- Seriously though, any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
                                                                            I think you did about the best you can the legal way. Good job.. now people can keep an eye out for him..
                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 28609

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by katesk8
                                                                              Actually, I just realized I might have contacted the wrong new host. Someone help me figure out who it is?
                                                                              whats the site ?
                                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                              • JD
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                                • 22651

                                                                                #40
                                                                                this is a hoot! gj man

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                                                                                • katesk8
                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                                                  • 5

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  the site is www.passnetvipforum.com

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                                                                                  • Baker Rd
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                    • 647

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    1 down, 500,000,000 to go....
                                                                                    money talks and bullshit walks.

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                                                                                    • Phoenix66
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 823

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Baker Rd
                                                                                      1 down, 500,000,000 to go....
                                                                                      There are no actually that many password sites in the net.

                                                                                      And actually they exist mostly because many paysite owners do not care about their passwords being shared.
                                                                                      Adult Niche Traffic Exchange

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                                                                                      • Pete-KT
                                                                                        Workin With The Devil
                                                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                                                        • 51532

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        good work bro, hopefully they get shut down

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                                                                                        • Spunky
                                                                                          I need a beer
                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                          • 133987

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          A for effort..good work..one less to think about

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                                                                                          • katesk8
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                                                            • 5

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I'm not a bro ;) bugs me that the hacker keeps calling me that...

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                                                                                            • katesk8
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                              • 5

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Well he shut down my site again --- it now forwards to http://www.magicpassforum.com/forums/index.php.

                                                                                              Here is his old site www.passnetvipforum.com -- he put up a message about being investigated by the authorities.

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                                                                                              • SplitInfinity
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                • 3047

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                :-)


                                                                                                Email me and I will give you their info: [email protected]

                                                                                                I have been fucking with that hacker for a long time and I have his home address now and etc....
                                                                                                :-)

                                                                                                Wisconsin of all places!@

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                                                                                                • V_RocKs
                                                                                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                  • 32449

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                                  Law enforcement can't stop them from running a forum. The members are responsible for their own shit they post. Otherwise aol, yahoo, and all other big sites would be shut down already.

                                                                                                  Wrong... AOL, MSN, Yahoo and Google have expressed that it is not acceptable to password trade, etc, etc in their TOS.

                                                                                                  Password trading forums have no TOS and the mods and admins also engage in posting the passwords... This means they indeed can be shut down and held liable...

                                                                                                  In addition, the forums name, headers and other materials/sections created by the admins contained wording that suggests the boards sole purpose is for password trading.

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                                                                                                  • V_RocKs
                                                                                                    Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                                    • 32449

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    This is right about the time a Woj script used to come into effect...

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