Originally posted by blackmonsters
Gee, why didn't we think of that before we tried to "liberate" them?
Gee, why didn't we think of that before we tried to "liberate" them?
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I thought of that, but my preisdent didn't want to hear it.Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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I don't listen to fucking liberal talk show hosts, and again, no need to tell me to read. I'd be interested in whether you've read a single war related book that I haven't, I doubt it. Funny you should mention Chomsky because not only have I read everything he's written, books and essays, I've sat in on some of his classes at MIT and talked with him personally.Comment
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All ideologies have their rabid extremists.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
The problem with rabid andti-bush-ites is the same problem that organized religion has.
They create a world view first then try to conform everything around it. Just like saying media is all republican controlled or Iraq is a lot like Vietnam. (and don't tell me you havent heard the bush/hitler comaprison)
The truth is ther is NO IDEOLOGY that explains it all. There never will be, but its what gives people the superor feeling that Rich has so colorfully illistrated.
I'm on board with that one!EDIT: OH yea... You also learn alot more by disagreeing when you really don't disagree.
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I don't know about where you live but for those of us in the red "bible belt" states (read, a good chunk of the country) there is understandable justification for someone having that opinion. The areas where there is only conservative/Republican talk radio is huge. I only have access to "liberal" talk either on satellite or streaming online stations (that just happen to originate in blue statesOriginally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Just like saying media is all republican controlled
). Our local newspaper clearly favors the Republican party. Just because where you live has a non-Republican voice shouldn't give you complacency that we all do.
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Chomsky is sitting next to me right now.
We are having tea.
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That is probably true but I don't know becasue I'm in NY.Originally posted by mardigras
I don't know about where you live but for those of us in the red "bible belt" states (read, a good chunk of the country) there is understandable justification for someone having that opinion. The areas where there is only conservative/Republican talk radio is huge. I only have access to "liberal" talk either on satellite or streaming online stations (that just happen to originate in blue states). Our local newspaper clearly favors the Republican party. Just because where you live has a non-Republican voice shouldn't give you complacency that we all do.
Although the Internet counteracts a LOT of that. If you want information that goes agasint the grain you can easily find it.
The thing is.... a lot of media trends have to do with what the public wants. If poeple stop watching/reading they stop making money. So if a newspaper suddenly "went liberal" in your town that paper would probably just be pushed out of the market.
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1. I was simply responding to an individual who claimed that 3 republicans control the media. That was someone else's claim, not mine.Originally posted by Rich
lmao, if you're going to talk you need to pay attention dude, seriously. Turner was forced out of AOL Time Warner years ago, he has absolutely nothing to do with it or CNN.
The other guy? There are 10 companies who completely control American media, TV, print, and radio. AOL/ Time Warner, GE, Viacom, Vivendi Universal, Sony, News Corp, AT&T, Bertelsmann, Liberty Media, and Disney. Feel free to find some screaming liberals in the group, or to just keep talking completely out of your ass.
2. Chill out. I'm not calling you any names, I would appreciate the same.Last edited by CET; 11-26-2004, 03:05 PM.Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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What are you doing oh humble one to improve the lot of the Iraqi people?Originally posted by directfiesta
If people ( USA ) would of minded it's own business ....
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Sorry..that question was meant for "Fake Nick"Originally posted by Centurion
What are you doing oh humble one to improve the lot of the Iraqi people?Comment
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Audit: Halliburton lost track of government property in Iraq
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Friday, November 26, 2004
A third or more of the government property Halliburton Co. was paid to manage for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq could not be located by auditors, investigative reports to Congress show.
Halliburton's KBR subsidiary "did not effectively manage government property" and auditors could not locate hundreds of CPA items worth millions of dollars in Iraq and Kuwait this summer and fall, Inspector General Stuart W. Bowen reported to Congress in two reports.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...433EST0181.DTL
Want to help Irakis ??? Get the troops out.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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My point exactly.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
That is probably true but I don't know becasue I'm in NY.
Your average person is going to read the paper and hear what comes their way. Those of us who use the internet for information are far outweighed by the eBayers and chattersOriginally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Although the Internet counteracts a LOT of that. If you want information that goes agasint the grain you can easily find it.
Not so much as "what the public wants" as what someone will put money behind that the public will accept. Big difference but same outcome.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
The thing is.... a lot of media trends have to do with what the public wants. If poeple stop watching/reading they stop making money. So if a newspaper suddenly "went liberal" in your town that paper would probably just be pushed out of the market.
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Originally posted by Fake Nick
not stupid because you are against the war , but stupid because you are doing NOTHING to help the IRAQI people
when the plans to invade IRAQ where made public the entire world ( wel almost) was against this war , everywhere people where demonstrating and creating all sort of protest to stop this war from happening, all of them used the same argument , the innocent people in IRAQ will suffer from this war only motivate by economic(read oil) interests .
well, now almost two years later and the IRAQI people are suffering lots if you ask me, but , I dont see any of these tree hugging no war loonys doing anything whatsoever to help them out ? no fundraising , no foodraising ?? nothing absolutely nothing !!!
only the usual support organisations are active in IRAQ but thats about it, I dont see any special HELP THE IRAQI PEOPLE NOW ! actions being taken place by any of the anti war supporters
how come ?? ???
How come??? Becuase those animals will take them hostage and cut their fucking heads off.
Yeah. I see a need to feed them.
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Didn't happen before the " liberation" ....Originally posted by pornguy
How come??? Becuase those animals will take them hostage and cut their fucking heads off.
Yeah. I see a need to feed them.
Fuck them!I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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Beheadings didn't?Originally posted by directfiesta
Didn't happen before the " liberation" ....
Um... yea they did but, they were state sanctioned and done in front of crowds.
Why do you guys have to HURT a valid cause by bullshitting.
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Still doesnt justify that guys original statment about 3 republicans controlling all media.Originally posted by mardigras
Not so much as "what the public wants" as what someone will put money behind that the public will accept. Big difference but same outcome.
All I'm saying is poeple have to stop believing and repeating extreame stuff because it works for thier cause. Thats fanatasicm.Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 04:19 PM.
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Nobody said 'hey you go on go to war, rob all the oil, we'll be right behind you to help the ones you rob'. Bush created a mess, it's his own mess, let him clear the mess up himself, ain't nobody his molly-maid to clean after him after all, he claimed himself before the war that he could handle it all by himselfOriginally posted by Fake Nick
did you actually read the post ??
how come no actions are being taken by the people against this war to help the people in IRAQ ??
yall say you care about them, but none does anything ?
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We know what he said : beheadings of foreigners supplying aid ...Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Beheadings didn't?
Um... yea they did but, they were state sanctioned and done in front of crowds.
Why do you guys have to HURT a valid cause by bullshitting.
So the cheap rethoric that you seem to prive in is really not very impressive.
And if I want to be as lame as you, I could say that texas has and is executing a lot of people ... and not so long ago with the electric chair...
And, can you specify which " valid cause " .... ?????Last edited by directfiesta; 11-26-2004, 04:41 PM.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Originally posted by seven
Nobody said 'hey you go on go to war, rob all the oil, we'll be right behind you to help the ones you rob'. Bush created a mess, it's his own mess, let him clear the mess up himself, ain't nobody his molly-maid to clean after him after all, he claimed himself before the war that he could handle it all by himself
cool, if you feel that way , but then DONT use the "poor Iraqi civilians argument"
you obviously DONT care about them whatsoever , but will argue you do when it benefits your point of view in an argument ........Comment
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Originally posted by directfiesta
We know what he said : beheadings of foreigners supplying aid ...
So the cheap rethoric that you seem to prive in is really not very impressive.
And if I want to be as lame as you, I could say that texas has and is executing a lot of people ... and not so long ago with the electric chair...
And, can you specify which " valid cause " .... ?????
he just said couple of post earlier he's from NY why you bringing up TEXAS law? ?Comment
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I Will spell it:Originally posted by Fake Nick
he just said couple of post earlier he's from NY why you bringing up TEXAS law? ?
C-O-U-N-T-R-Y ,.....
Texas is in the US ...
Are we going to go by street from now on ....
" Oh, on Elm street, we do not do that "...
Anyway, you are fucking boring tonight
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Originally posted by directfiesta
Anyway, you are fucking boring tonight
I am tonight , you every day
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Really becasue i could have sowrn all he said was.Originally posted by directfiesta
We know what he said : beheadings of foreigners supplying aid ...
So the cheap rethoric that you seem to prive in is really not very impressive.
"How come??? Becuase those animals will take them hostage and cut their fucking heads off.
Yeah. I see a need to feed them.
Fuck them!"
Then you said it didn't happen before the liberation.
So now I see your re-writing other peopls posts BEFORE trying to divert attiton to people put to death in texas. (wich I also disagree with athough it has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Your using it as a sad diversion attempt)
I'd call opposing saddam then having your head cut off in public in front of the croud about the equivalent of pople working in Iraq being decapitated.Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 05:00 PM.
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Just some words about the US Main Stream Media.
Its a joke.. They (for example CNN) are reporting the whole day about the election of ukraine.
The Exit-Polls do not match the final poll results (Hmm.. strange, i remember the same happend in the US btw)
And guess what? Did your media ever cover that there will maybe a recount in Ohio? That alot of "glitches" happend to the favour of Bush?
That people in afro-american counties had to wait up to 10 hours to vote because there were so less voting machine? and left without voting because they had to go to work or feed kids whatever.(i got all this infos from "local newspapers websites)"
even your goverment is saying the fraud word about ukraine.. i wonder how they could dare to call it fraud, when the same shit happend in your country (ohio).
your media should report more about your own election.
there is so much happining at the moment..
but why arent they reporting? they want the people to be dumb..
the only one reporting about your election "problems" is Keith Olbermann of MSNBC.
so, i ask you, and please answer (anybody who feels like to answer) why does your (USA) mainstream media not report whats going on in your country?SEO since 2002 - Google Index Record: 32 minutes. - Selling SEO services and toolsComment
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Peacmaker.... Uh.. it was on my 6 o'clock news. And it was on the news a lot of places. (vote fruad stories)
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which channel / network?Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Peacmaker.... Uh.. it was on my 6 o'clock news. And it was on the news a lot of places. (vote fruad stories)
i am talking about mainstream media (cnn, foxnews (hehe), abc, nbc etc)SEO since 2002 - Google Index Record: 32 minutes. - Selling SEO services and toolsComment
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Liberals see conservative bias....
Conservatives see liberal bias....
I'm anti-war
anti-bush
it sucks though because I'm a moderate liberal and a fiscal conservative and I have to argue with loony fanatics on both sides.
Its like.... partison filters that war seems to have strengthened to the point of blindness.
Can't anyone just be fucking rational instead of fanatically filtering ther world to suit their beliefs?
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A local ABC affiliate WUTR. And WKTV that coveres all of the county. Pretty Mainstream.Originally posted by Peacemaker
which channel / network?
i am talking about mainstream media (cnn, foxnews (hehe), abc, nbc etc)
EDIT: I think WKTV is afilliated with CBS.Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 05:16 PM.
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hmm well. i dont know this.. so i guess there are not mainstream to me.. but you have to agree, (you need to trust me, as you dont watch mainstream mediaOriginally posted by - Jesus Christ -
A local ABC affiliate WUTR. And WKTV that coveres all of the county. Pretty Mainstream.
that the MSM is reporting like nothing about the 2004 election.
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I don't doubt it But I also have no clue what the two stories in my area concluded (could very well have said there was no fraud) but I know they were on becasue I talk to my brother and my dad about polotics a lot and my father was surprised to see anything about national vote fraud on a local afilliate.Originally posted by Peacemaker
hmm well. i dont know this.. so i guess there are not mainstream to me.. but you have to agree, (you need to trust me, as you dont watch mainstream media that the MSM is reporting like nothing about the 2004 election.
Its silly to think theres some big republican puppet master controlling news stations across the country... I'm sorry call me radical but I seriously doubt it.
Maybe there was no story on... becasue there is no story.... ever think of that?Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 05:22 PM.
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well, its just like that i am in a forum and every "even a 1 minute report about "fraud / glitchtes" will be posted as a new thread".. and well, guess? there are like none of those threads.. only MSNBC (Olbermann)..Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
I don't doubt it But I also have no clue what the two stories in my area concluded (could very well have said there was no fraud) but I know they were on becasue I talk to my brother and my dad about polotics a lot and my father was surprised to see anything about nation vote fraud on a local afilliate.
its true. MSM doesnt cover the issues. or even investigate.. medias are bought whores..
now continue.. i just wanted to say that.. sorry
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SO are lots of poeples sig spots on GFY. Doesnt mean theres a puppet master behind all thier posts content.Originally posted by Peacemaker
its true. MSM doesnt cover the issues. or even investigate.. medias are bought whores..
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I'm of two minds on this one. There is not enough proof to go solidly either way, so I have to stay undecided and skeptical.Originally posted by Peacemaker
Just some words about the US Main Stream Media.
Its a joke.. They (for example CNN) are reporting the whole day about the election of ukraine.
The Exit-Polls do not match the final poll results (Hmm.. strange, i remember the same happend in the US btw)
And guess what? Did your media ever cover that there will maybe a recount in Ohio? That alot of "glitches" happend to the favour of Bush?
That people in afro-american counties had to wait up to 10 hours to vote because there were so less voting machine? and left without voting because they had to go to work or feed kids whatever.(i got all this infos from "local newspapers websites)"
even your goverment is saying the fraud word about ukraine.. i wonder how they could dare to call it fraud, when the same shit happend in your country (ohio).
your media should report more about your own election.
there is so much happining at the moment..
but why arent they reporting? they want the people to be dumb..
the only one reporting about your election "problems" is Keith Olbermann of MSNBC.
so, i ask you, and please answer (anybody who feels like to answer) why does your (USA) mainstream media not report whats going on in your country?
1. The media is in bed with the government, either by choice to gain more power and money or by threat. I suspect the former would be more likely as the latter wouldn't work too well as one story will make the whole thing blow up.
2. The media is scared shitless of putting out stories without a good amount of supporting evidence for fear of being branded as worthless. Insert the 60 Minutes story about that forged document about Bush, the lack of research and public appology and retraction. Now, 60 Minutes is practically a joke as far as news goes, just because of one really public fuck up.
The moral is: Make sure you've got your shit straight before you report it.
The "vote fraud" thing has little to no physical evidence, as everything was recorded digitally and there is very little paper trail at best, which means that nothing can be proven. If there is no proof, then any story is simply hearsay. Such stories are best left to editorial journalists rather then news journalists, and editorial journalists are in fact all over the "vote fraud" story. The only reason we even know of the possibility is because of the editorialists.
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doh. you edited your post and added something. now i cant stop
well, there are alot of things that could be reported..
you could start with this:
http://www.freepress.org/departments...ay/19/2004/886
i heave listened to the hearings live (via internetradio)..
i was somewhat shocked what happend in ohio.. i feel sorry for those who wanted to vote but couldnt ..
and there is more and more.. just do a search
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How many are valid though? would they add up to 4 Million? (the number bush won the popular vote by)Originally posted by Peacemaker
well, its just like that i am in a forum and every "even a 1 minute report about "fraud / glitchtes" will be posted as a new thread".. and well, guess?
I HATE bush so if when everything settles down... somone can compile all the evidence I would certainly love to look at it with an open mind but for right now I think its not worth going crazy over the loss. Let bush clean up his own shit.
I agree the US media sucks... thats why I don't watch it.Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 05:27 PM.
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well. i live in germany. and all i can tell is you, that if so much "glitches" (and they happend, that are facts) happend here, you can be asured the media would report it the whole day.Originally posted by CET
I'm of two minds on this one. There is not enough proof to go solidly either way, so I have to stay undecided and skeptical.
1. The media is in bed with the government, either by choice to gain more power and money or by threat. I suspect the former would be more likely as the latter wouldn't work too well as one story will make the whole thing blow up.
2. The media is scared shitless of putting out stories without a good amount of supporting evidence for fear of being branded as worthless. Insert the 60 Minutes story about that forged document about Bush, the lack of research and public appology and retraction. Now, 60 Minutes is practically a joke as far as news goes, just because of one really public fuck up.
The moral is: Make sure you've got your shit straight before you report it.
The "vote fraud" thing has little to no physical evidence, as everything was recorded digitally and there is very little paper trail at best, which means that nothing can be proven. If there is no proof, then any story is simply hearsay. Such stories are best left to editorial journalists rather then news journalists, and editorial journalists are in fact all over the "vote fraud" story. The only reason we even know of the possibility is because of the editorialists.
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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
How many are valid though? would they add up to 4 Million? (the number bush won the popular vote by)
I HATE bush so if when everything settles down... somone can compile all the evidence I would certainly love to look at it with an open mind but for right now I think its not worth going crazy over the loss. Let bush clean up his own shit.
I agree the US media sucks... thats why I don't watch it.
why has it to be 4 million votes that its beeing worth to have a report? think about ohio.. there will be a recount. they have been glitches in the favour of bush. there have been the ohio hearings (did you read them yet?..
and you know.. if ohio changes from red to blue whats going on
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LOL, that could be the civil war John Titor spoke of for 2005Originally posted by Peacemaker
why has it to be 4 million votes that its beeing worth to have a report? think about ohio.. there will be a recount. they have been glitches in the favour of bush. there have been the ohio hearings (did you read them yet?..
and you know.. if ohio changes from red to blue whats going on
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I know exactly where you're coming from. You know you're a centrist when all your conservative friends call you a pinko commie liberal and all your liberal friends call you a fascist neo-con. Times like this I fall back on Type O's lyrics from the song We Hate Everyone.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Liberals see conservative bias....
Conservatives see liberal bias....
I'm anti-war
anti-bush
it sucks though because I'm a moderate liberal and a fiscal conservative and I have to argue with loony fanatics on both sides.
Its like.... partison filters that war seems to have strengthened to the point of blindness.
Can't anyone just be fucking rational instead of fanatically filtering ther world to suit their beliefs?
"The left, they say I'm a fascist
The right, calling me communist.
Shit, shit, shit comes in all hues
Now this means you
Cause things ain't always what they seem."
Words for a non committed centrist to live by.
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Well if its enough to make Ohio tip then yea I guess you dont need 4 Mill.
I still haven't seen a feasable scinario that does change ohio.
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sorry. i dont know anything about that..Originally posted by mardigras
LOL, that could be the civil war John Titor spoke of for 2005
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Yeah, That guy is Right!
All those hippies do is talk, we Americans need to march into Iraq and help all the civilians first hand!
Fucking idiot
They want to kill us, There's no stopping Bush aka Satan
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actually, think for a moment.
lets say IF<-- there would be a recount in ohio and it fraud was found in some way and ohio goes to kerry.. do you really think that 4 mill pop vote is still valid?SEO since 2002 - Google Index Record: 32 minutes. - Selling SEO services and toolsComment
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No I already said if you could tip Ohio you wouldnt need 4 mill.
It was dumb of me to say 4 mill.
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You can't make bush satan because you need a position to put Rove in.
I'd say even bushies who know their stuff admit Karl Rove is satan.Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 11-26-2004, 05:42 PM.
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thats not what i meant. i just doubt those 4 million mergin would be valid (legit) after fraud was found..Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
No I already said if you could tip Ohio you wouldnt need 4 mill.
It was dumb of me to say 4 mill.
when there would be fraud found in ohio. the pop votes would be meaningless.
IF.. remember that
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Let me be perfectly frank, I don't may any attention to television or cable news. As a matter of fact, my television is connected to my DVD player/VCR and nothing else. All it does is play movies I place into the player. I read my news from AP and Reuters mostly. I also listen to the radio a lot since I do 3 hours of driving to and from school. On the way to school, I listen to NPR, who has a decidedly left bias. On the way home I listen to the local talk radio station, who has a decidedly right bias. I review some other random stuff from time to time as well.Originally posted by Peacemaker
well. i live in germany. and all i can tell is you, that if so much "glitches" (and they happend, that are facts) happend here, you can be asured the media would report it the whole day.
it doesnt have to be "fraud" in the first place. there are no evidence of "big vote fraud" so far. thats right.. but they have been glitches / problems etc happend alot, and the MSM are ignoring them. only MSNBC is reporting..
I gave up on television when I have to pay for it, and still had to watch commercials and almost never see anything actually worth watching. I thought the point of paying for television was so that you didn't have to watch commercials. At least that used to be the philosophy when cable television started up.
Anyway, fuck television, I have better things to do with my time then to vegetate in front of a glowing box.
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Somewhere between the two fanatasicms the truth existsOriginally posted by - Jesus Christ -
All I'm saying is poeple have to stop believing and repeating extreame stuff because it works for thier cause. Thats fanatasicm.
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