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11-26-2004, 12:10 AM

the bank asked me invoices for the money that i received ("know your customers policies")

anybody else was asked by the bank to provide them with invoice? what do u writed on the invoice that are the money for? search engine optimization, advertising, online consulting, web promotion or what?

i don't want to make any reference to the adult online biz becouse this very probable will be a problem with the bank
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11-26-2004, 12:29 AM

Wow.

That seems a little over the line.

Is that a requirement? Are they making you provide them invoices?
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11-26-2004, 12:33 AM

Threaten to take your money to another bank if they continue to harrase you and or just say it's SEO...

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11-26-2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by EricP
Wow.

That seems a little over the line.

Is that a requirement? Are they making you provide them invoices?

if i don't send them invoices or agreements they can close/block my account becouse of they "know your customers" policies..
they must assure that the money are not from/for drugs, arms, terrorism, prostitution...
porn is also a problem with many banks so i dont want to say they are from porn.. anybody else was in a such situation? what have u writed on the invoices that are for?
if i will write that are for search engine optimization will be any problems for the sponsor or to the sponsors that sended me money don't care what i write on invoices?
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11-26-2004, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by alex79
the bank asked me invoices for the money that i received ("know your customers policies")

anybody else was asked by the bank to provide them with invoice? what do u writed on the invoice that are the money for? search engine optimization, advertising, online consulting, web promotion or what?

i don't want to make any reference to the adult online biz becouse this very probable will be a problem with the bank

Get another bank. They have no business asking for that, unless they're giving you a loan
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11-26-2004, 12:39 AM

strangest thing i've ever heard regarding banks, and i've heard plenty of strange things.

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11-26-2004, 12:42 AM

withdraw all your money from that bank and go to another one
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11-26-2004, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by flashfire
withdraw all your money from that bank and go to another one

is not that simple to do that...
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11-26-2004, 12:51 AM

Your accountant could easily take care of that by issuing invoices for every revenues you receive as advertising/affiliate revenues, but really its ridiculous for a bank to ask.
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11-26-2004, 12:54 AM

Be honest with them, and like the previous described; if its a problem with them, get another bank.
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11-26-2004, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by alex79
is not that simple to do that...

why not? guess its different over in France
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11-26-2004, 01:03 AM

My bank has asked for invoices this spring, it was new EU regulation. Nothing deadly, I've faxed one of them and filled a survey.

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11-26-2004, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by flashfire
why not? guess its different over in France

is not a France bank, that's why
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11-26-2004, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by aleck
My bank has asked for invoices this spring, it was new EU regulation. Nothing deadly, I've faxed one of them and filled a survey.

what have u writed that are the money for?
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11-26-2004, 01:08 AM

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Your accountant could easily take care of that by issuing invoices for every revenues you receive as advertising/affiliate revenues, but really its ridiculous for a bank to ask.

agreed

can't you tell them its from internet marketing?

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11-26-2004, 01:09 AM

Tell them to fuck off and go to another bank.
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11-26-2004, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe
agreed

can't you tell them its from internet marketing?

i think i have to be more speciffic than that.. if i will tell that are for "internet marketing" then they may be courios what kind of marketing do i make (they must assure that i don't sell guns, and others stuff like this on the net)
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11-26-2004, 01:22 AM

I would get a new bank

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11-26-2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by alex79
i think i have to be more speciffic than that.. if i will tell that are for "internet marketing" then they may be courios what kind of marketing do i make (they must assure that i don't sell guns, and others stuff like this on the net)

No they cant, the invoice description is enough for them. A bank is not a policeman neither should be.
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11-26-2004, 01:29 AM

Alex,

Withdraw all the money you have there while you can.

Go to a different branch of the bank in an other city, say you need the money to buy a new car or a boat, if you're lucky they will not contact the headoffice.

Don't forget your passport.

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11-26-2004, 01:34 AM

Then get a new bank and accoutant who takes care of things like this.

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11-26-2004, 01:35 AM

...why would it matter to them if its adult generated money? its not their business if you own adult sites, and if they want to make it their business, they shouldnt be able to close your account over you being a porn webmaster... its not like this is illegal or anything, its 100% legal to be a webmaster, they cannot close you out because porn is not moral to them..fuck them and what they think of your title, and while you tell them that, give them a business card with one of your URL's ..

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11-26-2004, 01:37 AM

agreed, Fuck that bank.

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11-26-2004, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
...why would it matter to them if its adult generated money? its not their business if you own adult sites, and if they want to make it their business, they shouldnt be able to close your account over you being a porn webmaster... its not like this is illegal or anything, its 100% legal to be a webmaster, they cannot close you out because porn is not moral to them..fuck them and what they think of your title, and while you tell them that, give them a business card with one of your URL's ..

there was a post 6 month ago where someone from adultczechcontent writed that tha bank (same bank with mine) closed they account becouse he was in adult biz
that's why i can't tell then that i'm in adult biz
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11-26-2004, 01:55 AM

but why? whats the reason to close your account? there is nothing illegal about what you do, which means they have to take your account... thats pretty shady of them... maybe you should speak to a lawyer and see whats the laws on that and what you can do from stopping your bank from closing your account for no reason..

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11-26-2004, 01:59 AM

When I put the USD checks in my bank I have to say why did I get them, so it's "internet services".
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11-26-2004, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by alex79
there was a post 6 month ago where someone from adultczechcontent writed that tha bank (same bank with mine) closed they account becouse he was in adult biz
that's why i can't tell then that i'm in adult biz

My brother had his account closed too once they found out it was porn money.
Some banks suck some don't though.

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11-26-2004, 03:16 AM

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11-26-2004, 03:24 AM

That will be the next trend if this intrusive way of knowing so much about customers continues at banks.

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11-26-2004, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
...why would it matter to them if its adult generated money? its not their business if you own adult sites, and if they want to make it their business, they shouldnt be able to close your account over you being a porn webmaster... its not like this is illegal or anything, its 100% legal to be a webmaster, they cannot close you out because porn is not moral to them..fuck them and what they think of your title, and while you tell them that, give them a business card with one of your URL's ..

Wow.. exactly what my bank told me about 2 weeks ago.. I have a creditcard on my personal account, but I need one on my business account as well.. When I told them what my business was, they told me I couldn't get one, 'cause they don't support what I'm doing, moral stuff etc.

Moving to another bank now, that'll teach them

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11-26-2004, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe
My brother had his account closed too once they found out it was porn money.
Some banks suck some don't though.

interesting.. they "closed" your account or just "blocked/frozen" the account and u had to move all your money from they bank?
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11-26-2004, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by alex79
interesting.. they "closed" your account or just "blocked/frozen" the account and u had to move all your money from they bank?

They just blocked it, but I was still able to remove all the money to a more liberal bank

(I'm Quashe's brother)
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11-26-2004, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Mefo
They just blocked it, but I was still able to remove all the money to a more liberal bank

(I'm Quashe's brother)

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11-26-2004, 04:14 AM

In my entire life I never hear of that sort of Question. However if you do need that, you may want to do what we do

Web Marketing income

That could be anything from a Paysite to getting paid to run somebody elses site thru tgp's.

However my bank knows what we do and we have direct deposit with either our Merchant Account or checks from CCbill et al

So try that. A lot of people make money on Website Marketing

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11-26-2004, 06:53 AM

Take your money out of that bank and take it to some other bank that will treat you and your business with discretion.

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11-26-2004, 08:27 AM

All this harasements from the bank's side against their custommers are part of the new strategy implemented globaly to fight against terorism ....in my country you have now to provide evidences of the sources of all money wich you received in bank accounts ...this realy sucks ...and I belive that pasivity of peoples wich will allow this things to happens will eventually open the way towards a global dictature . All bank accounts secrecy policies dissapeared in my country and now any guy from the police can search and investigate your accounts in bank whenever they want . It is easy to see how much abuses will ocures from now on .
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11-26-2004, 08:32 AM

theres an int anti laundry law outside EU $100k inside in $10k if you crossed the line just make sure youre getting smaller pieces, if you didnt get the money and move to another bank, some banks are assholes

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11-26-2004, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
...why would it matter to them if its adult generated money? its not their business if you own adult sites, and if they want to make it their business, they shouldnt be able to close your account over you being a porn webmaster

Maybe in a perfect world.

But, have we forgotten about how moral pressures have influenced financial institutions to adopt 'legal' corporate policies which discriminate against 'legal' businesses?

What do you think all the CC fallout has been about?

Balancing morality with profit by the biggies.

Just like a magazine which grows too large, prunes its mass by raising ad prices, the financial institutions which have done very well by adult-oriented enterprises, can 'prune' their bulk by raising the bar higher (visa vi regs) to enjoy increasing ROI with a larger 'morality margin' which does not jeopardize their mainstream cash cows.

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11-26-2004, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe
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Don't call him "little brother" since this is what you always did, and then when someone mentioned Mefo in an ICQ conversation with me, I said "Mefo = he's a n00b, he's just the little brother from QuaShe"

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11-26-2004, 09:01 AM

BTW, do you do adult stuff full time and pay taxes on it, or do you just receive wires from sponsor to your personal bank account?

If the second, then you can be asked questions for sure.

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11-26-2004, 11:02 AM

Happened to me too...
I asked the sponsor for a letter telling where is the money from (comissions for promoting products) and that was accepted.
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11-26-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe
My brother had his account closed too once they found out it was porn money.
Some banks suck some don't though.

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11-26-2004, 11:49 AM

alex79:

the bank asked me invoices

There is a ruling imposed on banks re a "know your customer" thing. It is also customary on any one deposit over $10K to have a source of funds statement, especially when these funds are from another country.

Your problem could be one of two things:

(a) Your bank is crap. All they need to do is produce a standard form for signing, - the invoice stuff is over the top. Your bank supposed to know you already :-)

(b) This could be a ruling from the central bank. They are normally the people who often randomly tag transactions for verification and banks are obliged to followup with some confirmation docs.

I've never known any bank have a problem with saying stuff like "internet marketing" - it is basically none of their concern, - all they want to be assured of is you are not money laundering/drug dealing. Next time tell them the funds are the profits of whoring - at least you might get a grin and they probably won't ask again:-)

If you are talking of amounts under $10K - you need to dump that bank.

I've only ever had one problem with "source of funds". I sent a Western Union to the US, (less than $500), for a friend to send me some computer parts. That resulted in the lady who cashed the Western Union order being arrested while waiting for her kids to get out of school.

After a couple of hours of interrogation, - during which time she totally refused to discuss anything, - she did volunteer her true ID and the fact she was a government law officer and suggested they get their act together and behave.

I suppose that shows it is not just banks who can be idiots :-)

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