He is like Adolf Hitler reincarnation.
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I didn't say it was our fault. We didn't put the missiles there. I'm saying don't you think Cuba only became communist out of necessity? If they didn't, today they'd look like an African country with no education and people starving to death.Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
I like how Mike scoffs off that whole little Cuban Missle Crisis by saying it was really the US's fault because we wouldn't help out a little communist island.
Like we forced their hand to aid in our utter and complete destruction and we should just move on from that and overlook the bad blood of the past.
Juke suggested they had money to be able to tax, so maybe they were doing fine. I don't know much about their financial situation immediately after Castro assumed power.Last edited by Drake; 11-20-2004, 09:53 PM.Comment
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Mike
1 there was no Cuba before the US beat the Spanish and took
oner the island from the Spanish and gave the Cuban people the island.
2 when Castor took everything he took it from American investors on the island. voting investors so do you really think the US would help him
3 we have a treaty with the USSR to not invade Cuba that is what they got with the Cuban missile crises.
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Most of you guys weren't around then and I was a little kid, but I remember everyone was ready to go to bomb shelters at a moments notice.
Military alert was raised to DEFCON 3 and instructions were given to be ready to launch nuclear ICBM's into the Soviet Union.
Twenty planes armed with nuclear bombs were also in the air ready to strike the USSR at exactly 7.00 p.m.
The next day, military alert was raised to DEFCON 2, the highest level ever in US history. The EAM notification, sent around the world, was purposefully left uncoded
so the Soviets would know just how serious the Americans were.
This was the closest we ever came to turning the entire planet into a nuclear wasteland.
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Cool. Ok I'm getting better picture. Sorry, I just want to keep picking your brain.Originally posted by jukeboxfrank
Mike
1 there was no Cuba before the US beat the Spanish and took
oner the island from the Spanish and gave the Cuban people the island.
2 when Castor took everything he took it from American investors on the island. voting investors so do you really think the US would help him
3 we have a treaty with the USSR to not invade Cuba that is what they got with the Cuban missile crises.
1) Accepted
2) From what I understand, many if not most of these investors were actually mobs and although money came in, it was at the expense of the native population. Prostitution and gambling made money for the investors but not for the natives and having women having sex with johns everywhere didn't make it the most pleasant place to live. The impression I get is that it was a lot like Vegas except 100 times worse.
2) Interesting. How about now? The USSR has collapsed for over 10 years now. Can we not help Cubans now probably try our experiment there before going to Iraq?Comment
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every system takes it from the poor and gives it to the rich. were they starving NO.
WE will never help Cuba until the Cuban refuges that vote in the USA want us too. And they are very head strong, they would rather see all on the island die first.
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You need to watch 2 movies: Scarface and 13 DaysOriginally posted by Mike33
Here's my limited understanding of the man and his legacy:
Cuba before Castro:
1) Cuba was under control of a corrupt Government headed by Batista (and supported by the US).
2) Cuba was a playground for American mobs. Prostitution, and all things seedy that we wouldn't want in our neighborhoods were everywhere in Cuba.
Castro's Rise:
1) In the 1950's Castro organizes a small force and fights off Batista's Government and kicks out the mob, the prostitution, the gambling that is rampant in Cuba
2) Finding no funds to re-build Cuba, Castro befriends the USSR because he cannot get support by the US
3) The US imposes an economic blockade on Cuba that is still in place today
Cuba After Castro:
1) Cuba has one of the highest literacy rates on the globe
2) The mob, prostitution, and other activities are either gone or under control like here in the US
3) Cuban researches may have a cure or vaccine for Cancer but the US government won't allow it into their borders because they don't want to pay Castro for it. In other words they're on the cutting edge of science.
4) The US has never let up the sanctions on Cuba even though Castro has never posed a threat to the US and has never shown that he is opposed to US trade.
Notes about Castro:
He earned a law degree. In 1940, as a student activist he joined a political party which had a mandate to bring about peaceful revolutionary change through constitutional means.
In short, the guy wanted his country to be prosperous and not the hole that it was treated as by foreigners. He couldn't get it done through peace so he started a revolution. Now things in Cuba are better than they were before Castro came along. Unlike Haiti, we don't see people on boats fleeing from Cuba to go to the US.
So why are we still treating this man like a Devil? Wouldn't we do the same thing in his position?Comment
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He's a dictator and probably not the nicest guy but definitely no Hitler. Hitler wanted to take over the world, had a philosophy of racial superiority, huge army, was a world power, and exterminated millions of people.Originally posted by clueless
He is like Adolf Hitler reincarnation.
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That's my take on it.Originally posted by GatorB
Castro is bad because if you have a beautiful tropical island it should be full of casinos and brothels for horny American men to spend their money on.
I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
Webair, bitches.Comment
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go ask some cubans in FL who risked their lives to get away from him333-765-551Comment
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I like Castro
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No...he chooses who goes to what schools. He chooses if you will be a doctor, lawyer, show shine guy...he controls everything that his people do....they don't have choices...Originally posted by Mike33
I'm asking seriously. They have some of the best medical schools but don't allow you to study what you want? Seems strange.
Well if all those things are restricted it's definitely dictatorial.
Why don't we help the Cubans out instead of the Iraqi's. They're closer to us and it seems it would be easier to topple Castro than Iraqi insurgents.
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He is hiding in Colombia and never paid the settlement $ from our divorce!
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But why did the US support the previous dictator Fulgencio Bastista? We approve of dictators so long as they are friendly with us?Originally posted by Nanda
No...he chooses who goes to what schools. He chooses if you will be a doctor, lawyer, show shine guy...he controls everything that his people do....they don't have choices...
Seems it's not the fact that he's a dictator why we don't like him or we wouldn't have supported any dictator in Cuba.Last edited by Drake; 11-21-2004, 12:47 AM.Comment
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You have the power of knowledge at your finger tips, yet you chose to spout of at the mouth without knowing a fucking thing you are talking about.
First rule of debate: Knowledge is key. Know more than your opponent.
Tyranny is the same in all its shapes, even though sometimes it dresses in handsome names and grand deeds.Comment
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I totally agree.Originally posted by junction
You have the power of knowledge at your finger tips, yet you chose to spout of at the mouth without knowing a fucking thing you are talking about.
First rule of debate: Knowledge is key. Know more than your opponent.
Tyranny is the same in all its shapes, even though sometimes it dresses in handsome names and grand deeds.
So why did the US support the previous dictator Fulgencio Bastista? We approve of dictators so long as they are friendly with us?
Seems it's not the fact that he's a dictator why we don't like him or we wouldn't have supported any dictator in Cuba.
This is no debate, it's a question.Comment
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The U.S. supported Batista mainly for economic reasons. The millions of dollars (in 1950's money mind you) in contracts Batista gave to American contractors was a big factor. Unlike current U.S. policy, the U.S. wasnt in the habit of sticking our nose into other peoples business back then. Even in the 30's when Batista forced San MartÃn out of office, and fueding started, U.S. Ambassador Welles, stated to Batista "I will lay down no specific terms; the matter of your government is a Cuban matter and it is for you to decide what you will do about it." This of course is prior to the huge economic gains the U.S. received from Cuba.Originally posted by Mike33
I totally agree.
So why did the US support the previous dictator Fulgencio Bastista? We approve of dictators so long as they are friendly with us?
Seems it's not the fact that he's a dictator why we don't like him or we wouldn't have supported any dictator in Cuba.
This is no debate, it's a question.
Castro did not ask for Russias help because no other Country would help him. The revolution of 1959 was a Marxist one. Many Cubans realized that and fled the Country. Castro then seized all American assets. That was the start of economic sanctions placed on Cuba.
When Castro allowed our #1 enemy Khrushchev to build nuclear missles in Cuba, a mere 90 miles off of our coast, should we have just sat back and smiled?Comment
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Sorry bro. Watching The U.S. go to hell in a hand basket has made me a little punchy lately.Originally posted by Mike33
This is no debate, it's a question.Comment
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The hypocracy of the United States is that they maintain this hate for Castro, but line up to such China's dick.
Explain that one.
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I guess they never teach you in 'merican classrooms about the nukes the US placed in Turkey.Originally posted by junction
When Castro allowed our #1 enemy Khrushchev to build nuclear missles in Cuba, a mere 90 miles off of our coast, should we have just sat back and smiled?
Russian nukes in Cuba was retaliation.
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I had the pleasure to personally meet Mr Abelardo Moreno, the minister of foreign affairs of Cuba.
I talked to him about 45 minutes, mostly about business, but also about politics.
I can't share everything with you though.
For more information , see this thread.
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...adid=390434&s=
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lol, Castro is harmlessOriginally posted by clueless
He is like Adolf Hitler reincarnation.
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Originally posted by Mike33
I'm asking for answers as to why we don't like Castro. From the points above, can any of you explain why he's a bad guy? If you can't answer and don't care, I don't know why you're posting in this thread.
As I said, I don't know why we don't like him. I want to learn, that's all.Comment
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Why don't you get on boat sneak over there and find refuge? You really sound like you love the guy and like the way he runs his country. Isn't the fact that he tried to incite the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. into a nuclear war enough to make everyone in the U.S. hate him? Your a douche! LaterComment
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Incite? From what it seems now, he was a pon in the game being played between the US and Russia. As somebody mentioned in this thread, we had bombs in Turkey. Should Russians hold a grudge against the Turkish today?Originally posted by Soda_Popinski
Why don't you get on boat sneak over there and find refuge? You really sound like you love the guy and like the way he runs his country. Isn't the fact that he tried to incite the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. into a nuclear war enough to make everyone in the U.S. hate him? Your a douche! Later
You're confusing "inquiry into" with "support for". I don't support dictators which is why it baffles me that we did support the one preceding Castro. I'm all for kicking him out to restore/start democracy for Cubans. Instead we sanction the powerless nation and everybody in it suffers, not Castro.
Too many people seem to accept our policy toward Cuba without even thinking about it.Last edited by Drake; 11-21-2004, 09:01 PM.Comment
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np, I appreciate your postOriginally posted by junction
Sorry bro. Watching The U.S. go to hell in a hand basket has made me a little punchy lately.
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Ah, Mikey, you aren't trying to gain knowledge....you are pretty much creatively trolling.
Because everytime someone sets you straight with facts, you reply with the "what if" question to excuse Castro's behavior or to air some doubt in the US's actions.
I just want to learn. Why is your mom a fucking whore? I'm serious, didn't she sleep with all those guys? No? Well, I'm sure she gave a few bjs, right?SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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I haven't seen anyone setting him straight with facts, just tired old rhetoric.Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Because everytime someone sets you straight with facts, you reply with the "what if" question to excuse Castro's behavior or to air some doubt in the US's actions.[/i]
The bottom line is that there is no reason for the trade embargo against Cuba other than spite.
The USA should grow up and get over it and stop acting like a petulant child.Comment
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I see what you're saying. Perhaps I went about it wrong, but I really am trying to know why we have a policy toward Cuba and Castro. I have no excuse for Castro's behavior. What I'm saying is he was nothing amidst two world powers (back then the world had two powers, Russia and the US. Today it's only the US) and was used to serve Russia ends. I'm sure he could have told Russia not to build missles in Cuba just as Turkey could have told us not to place bombs there but you and I know with millions of dollars heads of state will let you do anything in their country.Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Ah, Mikey, you aren't trying to gain knowledge....you are pretty much creatively trolling.
Because everytime someone sets you straight with facts, you reply with the "what if" question to excuse Castro's behavior or to air some doubt in the US's actions.
I just want to learn. Why is your mom a fucking whore? I'm serious, didn't she sleep with all those guys? No? Well, I'm sure she gave a few bjs, right?
I'm also saying it's now 2004, 10 years after the fall of Russia. Why don't we take Castro out instead of bleeding his people. He poses no threat, we'd win the war in a day, and the Cubans would thank us.Last edited by Drake; 11-21-2004, 09:16 PM.Comment
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Ahhh, good ol Joe Citizen chimes in with his normal Anti-American rhetoric.
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Mike, we can't take out Castro as part of the treaty/deal signed with Russia. If we could, we would have.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Funny how nobody has come up with a decent reason why the trade embargo aginist Cuba should still exist.Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Ahhh, good ol Joe Citizen chimes in with his normal Anti-American rhetoric.
Why? Because there isn't one.Comment
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This is the problem with so many Americans, you get your facts from the screen.Originally posted by Mike33
He's a dictator and probably not the nicest guy but definitely no Hitler. Hitler wanted to take over the world, had a philosophy of racial superiority, huge army, was a world power, and exterminated millions of people.
Go and read factual history books written by people without an axe to grind.
Cube was not a nice place to live in you were one on the majority, it was exploited and the life of most Cubans sucked big time. Americans are very proud of THEIR freedoms, yet very happy to take it away or jeep it away from others.
The Bastida dictatorship was corrupt and overthrown very easily, the US cut off all commercial ties, Castro had to find somewhere to sell his main produce after he kicked out the US mob and profiteers, Russia took the opportunity tha Amarican leaders gave them.
The Cuban Missile crisis would never of happened but for the US method of dealing with Cuba, it was Americas mistake and Russias opportunity.
But then the US has needed fear for a long time and having the enemy on the doorstep is a wonderful tool.Comment
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I just came up with it. The politics of fear.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Funny how nobody has come up with a decent reason why the trade embargo aginist Cuba should still exist.
Why? Because there isn't one.
How can you have a mortal enemy that is about to over run and destro your way of life and be buying sugar from them and going there for a holiday. It would remove the "FEAR" element.
Fear does not work in US politics? Go look at the last election and say that.Comment
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