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  • Drake
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    • Mar 2003
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    Troops fire on civilians? (video)

    Anybody know what's going on in the ivory coast? Supposedly this video is of French soldiers shooting at protesters just days ago. It's extremely graphic :

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    What's the bigger picture of what's going on there?
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    • Manowar
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      103mb?

      this will take a while.

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        • BRISK
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          100mb file @ 90kb/sec
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            • Drake
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              Yeah it's like 9 minutes long, mostly boring, but some gruesome parts. Don't save as. I was able to play it right away since it's an mpg. I can play wmv files straight away too, only avi files seem to have to download fully before being able to view.

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                • UltraSonic
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                  Didn't actually see them fire at the protestors. You just hear some shooting and alot of confusion, they could be firing back. My best guess is that they where fired upon and fired back, didn't see any reason why they would just start firing into peacefull protestors.
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                    • BRISK
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                        • project_naughty
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                          Apparently they did fire into civilians to avenge the death of their soldiers the day before.

                          I love the French. They are just so superior.

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                                    • VeriSexy
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                                      These guys need to learn how to recode and compress video better.
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                                        • crockett
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                                          so US soldiers do something wrong and all the anit-Americans fucks jump all over us Americans. But when the French shoot a bunch of un armed civilians it's just oh they must have been shot at.. Sorry I didn't see any guns in the hands of these dead people.
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                                            • Napolean
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                              so US soldiers do something wrong and all the anit-Americans fucks jump all over us Americans. But when the French shoot a bunch of un armed civilians it's just oh they must have been shot at.. Sorry I didn't see any guns in the hands of these dead people.
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                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      so US soldiers do something wrong and all the anit-Americans fucks jump all over us Americans. But when the French shoot a bunch of un armed civilians it's just oh they must have been shot at.. Sorry I didn't see any guns in the hands of these dead people.
                                                      The Ivory Coast is one of the last remaining french colonies. About a week and a half ago, it boiled over and what the US would call 'insurgents' lashed out against the French. France has no fucking right to be there and they are almost as shitty as the bush administration except for ONE thing. France does not BOLDFACE lie to everyone, they're attitude is more like, "Yeah, we're here, we want your fucking resources, we're doing this fuck you" Where as the US lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies. with all those lies people become very deluded. Not to mention ther US media (CNN) Lies and Lies and Lies and Lies and Lies.....you get the idea. so, in conclusion FUCK US FOREIGN POLICY AND FUCK THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION

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                                                        • crockett
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                                                          Originally posted by Icon
                                                          The Ivory Coast is one of the last remaining french colonies. About a week and a half ago, it boiled over and what the US would call 'insurgents' lashed out against the French. France has no fucking right to be there and they are almost as shitty as the bush administration except for ONE thing. France does not BOLDFACE lie to everyone, they're attitude is more like, "Yeah, we're here, we want your fucking resources, we're doing this fuck you" Where as the US lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies. with all those lies people become very deluded. Not to mention ther US media (CNN) Lies and Lies and Lies and Lies and Lies.....you get the idea. so, in conclusion FUCK US FOREIGN POLICY AND FUCK THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION
                                                          oh so in other words if We would have just said, hey French Fuck Faces and Russians.. We are taking over Iraq stop selling them weapons and by passing the sanctions or were going to bomb you too. Then I assume there would have been no protests?
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                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                              oh so in other words if We would have just said, hey French Fuck Faces and Russians.. We are taking over Iraq stop selling them weapons and by passing the sanctions or were going to bomb you too. Then I assume there would have been no protests?
                                                              Less Hypocrisy means less protests. It's a theme from a little book called "The Prince" by some dude named Machiavelli. BTW, Americans were also selling weapons to Iraqi warlords as well as Saddam Hussein in the late 80's. That point is from an article titled "The Arms Trade" by Mark Phyhian published 2003. The french are known for their bluntness. It goes back to Descartes. readf a book if you want more info. thats why they let a group of rebel Insurgents and terrorists create this little thing called the "Declaration of Independance" in France protected from pissed off British royalty.

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                                                                • crockett
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                                                                  Originally posted by Icon
                                                                  Less Hypocrisy means less protests. It's a theme from a little book called "The Prince" by some dude named Machiavelli. BTW, Americans were also selling weapons to Iraqi warlords as well as Saddam Hussein in the late 80's. That point is from an article titled "The Arms Trade" by Mark Phyhian published 2003. The french are known for their bluntness. It goes back to Descartes. readf a book if you want more info. thats why they let a group of rebel Insurgents and terrorists create this little thing called the "Declaration of Independance" in France protected from pissed off British royalty.
                                                                  yea it's not that I disagree with you about what the govts do.. I think all our govts suck. Before the US govt got into Empire building it was the French and the Brits.

                                                                  I just get sick of the double standards about Americans. If that was American troops in that vid there would be 50 posts on the front page of every webmaster board bitching about Americans.

                                                                  But becouse it's the French doing it no one cares..
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                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                      yea it's not that I disagree with you about what the govts do.. I think all our govts suck. Before the US govt got into Empire building it was the French and the Brits.

                                                                      I just get sick of the double standards about Americans. If that was American troops in that vid there would be 50 posts on the front page of every webmaster board bitching about Americans.

                                                                      But becouse it's the French doing it no one cares..
                                                                      True. Probably because it doesn't directly affect anyone here really. I mean it's just as horrible as the chechnians bobmbing that elementary school (It WAS Chechnyans by the way, not Al_Queda like CNN was 'reporting') - The US is playing a much more complex game with their own citizens. I think that causes much of the rage. You seem like a pretty intelligent Dude - check out Noam Chompsky's "Necessary Illusion" - Everything made sense after reading that. you can download the Massy Hall Lecture too and listen to it. It's about creating fear so people don't pay attention to reality. And you're right, more people should give a damn about this, where do Refugees come from? Hmmmmmm?

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                                                                        • xclusive
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                                                                          Well in fairness to the french we should just let this slide, I know it was against unarmed civilians but at least they didn't surrender to them this time...

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                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                      yea it's not that I disagree with you about what the govts do.. I think all our govts suck. Before the US govt got into Empire building it was the French and the Brits.

                                                                                      I just get sick of the double standards about Americans. If that was American troops in that vid there would be 50 posts on the front page of every webmaster board bitching about Americans.

                                                                                      But becouse it's the French doing it no one cares..
                                                                                      Perhaps the story hasn't quite reached critical mass yet? I'd think once the right-wing blogosphere get hold of it, it'll get coverage (you're right though probably not the same extent as if it was americans)..

                                                                                      But also, the United States put itself out there as this pillar of freedom and decency so it's always going to be a target when it doesn't live up to this.
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                                                                                          Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                          Well in fairness to the french we should just let this slide, I know it was against unarmed civilians but at least they didn't surrender to them this time...

                                                                                          Some Facts Based in Reality NOT in the US

                                                                                          US has never been invaeded. First Attack on US soil? Sept 11 2001 - welcome to the world

                                                                                          Second- the French have 50 times more class than the Average Amercan and a good number of Canadians as well

                                                                                          Thirdly - Nothing is WRONG with not wanting to assist the Bush Crime Sydicate

                                                                                          In WW1 When france was invaded the Americans did nothing until 1917 when thei own intersts were threatened (German U boats - read an non american textbook)

                                                                                          WW 2 - US did nothing until their colony was attached (Islands)

                                                                                          US Foreign Policy dictates CIA can fund and assit puppet governments from the shadows.

                                                                                          WHO ARE THE PUSSIES NOW? Not France, Probably Canada and Definately US Government

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                                                                                              u cant compare what the french are doing to invading a country..when the us went into somalia in 93 (as seen in black hawk down) i didnt hear much about that either, until the movie (i think i remember clinton give a speech on it too after it happened). In any case, somalia was a mess, ivory coast probably was too, so unless u use a chaingun and kill thousands, i think ppl wont give 2 shits.

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                                                                                                • xenophobic
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                  Some Facts Based in Reality NOT in the US

                                                                                                  US has never been invaeded. First Attack on US soil? Sept 11 2001 - welcome to the world
                                                                                                  Hi Surfer,
                                                                                                  You might want to check the same history books you're saying other people should read.
                                                                                                  how about the WTC bombing in 1993?

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                                                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                                                      Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                      Some Facts Based in Reality NOT in the US

                                                                                                      US has never been invaeded. First Attack on US soil? Sept 11 2001 - welcome to the world

                                                                                                      Second- the French have 50 times more class than the Average Amercan and a good number of Canadians as well

                                                                                                      Thirdly - Nothing is WRONG with not wanting to assist the Bush Crime Sydicate

                                                                                                      In WW1 When france was invaded the Americans did nothing until 1917 when thei own intersts were threatened (German U boats - read an non american textbook)

                                                                                                      WW 2 - US did nothing until their colony was attached (Islands)

                                                                                                      US Foreign Policy dictates CIA can fund and assit puppet governments from the shadows.

                                                                                                      WHO ARE THE PUSSIES NOW? Not France, Probably Canada and Definately US Government
                                                                                                      Don't forget to mention how we bailed the French out in Vietnam besides that.. If the French were so good, then why do they still try to control these places? Simply for money the same reason the US invaded Iraq. The French govt is no better than the US govt same with the Brits as if you look at history the Brits were empire building in the mid east long before the US ever got involved.

                                                                                                      You forget to mention the main reason the French and the Russians were against going into Iraq was because they were currently doing millions of dollars of business with Iraq illegally by-passing the sanctions.

                                                                                                      Sure I don't agree with us going into Iraq and I think it was wrong, but don't hold the Frenchies up to be holier than hell when they are only out for their own interests. If the French would have been able to gain financially by going into Iraq they would have been along for the ride as well.
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                                                                                                          Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                          Hi Surfer,
                                                                                                          You might want to check the same history books you're saying other people should read.
                                                                                                          how about the WTC bombing in 1993?
                                                                                                          Wasn't that an American? The half ton with fertilizer? I could be wrong, I thought it was one of those right wing militia groups...

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                                                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                              Don't forget to mention how we bailed the French out in Vietnam besides that.. If the French were so good, then why do they still try to control these places? Simply for money the same reason the US invaded Iraq. The French govt is no better than the US govt same with the Brits as if you look at history the Brits were empire building in the mid east long before the US ever got involved.

                                                                                                              You forget to mention the main reason the French and the Russians were against going into Iraq was because they were currently doing millions of dollars of business with Iraq illegally by-passing the sanctions.

                                                                                                              Sure I don't agree with us going into Iraq and I think it was wrong, but don't hold the Frenchies up to be holier than hell when they are only out for their own interests. If the French would have been able to gain financially by going into Iraq they would have been along for the ride as well.
                                                                                                              I certainly agree. It just pissess me off when retards take shots at the French. The french and Belgium are responsable for some of the worst attrocities in Africa, particularly the Ivory Coast and apparently in Serria Leone. I don't have any valid articles about the French in Sierra Leone but there are allegations

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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                  Hi Surfer,
                                                                                                                  You might want to check the same history books you're saying other people should read.
                                                                                                                  how about the WTC bombing in 1993?
                                                                                                                  I was actually quoting Noam Chompsky from his interview in the book 9/11 - he's a pretty solid source

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                      Wasn't that an American? The half ton with fertilizer? I could be wrong, I thought it was one of those right wing militia groups...
                                                                                                                      absolutely incorrect.
                                                                                                                      It was a plot by Ramzi Yousef, the same person who plotted the Al Quada "48 hours of terror"
                                                                                                                      The bomb also consisted of sodium cyanide and would have been the first chemical weapon attack on U.S soil if the gas had not been consumed by the explosive.

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                          I was actually quoting Noam Chompsky from his interview in the book 9/11 - he's a pretty solid source
                                                                                                                          I don't care if it was on one of the tablets of Moses, he is incorrect.

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                                                                                                                              Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                              I don't care if it was on one of the tablets of Moses, he is incorrect.
                                                                                                                              And your source would be? I'm not taking any shots here, I really do want to know. I prefer to be wrong than ignorant

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                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sacX
                                                                                                                                  Perhaps the story hasn't quite reached critical mass yet? I'd think once the right-wing blogosphere get hold of it, it'll get coverage (you're right though probably not the same extent as if it was americans)..

                                                                                                                                  But also, the United States put itself out there as this pillar of freedom and decency so it's always going to be a target when it doesn't live up to this.
                                                                                                                                  Good point on the Critical mass

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                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                                                                      Well in fairness to the french we should just let this slide, I know it was against unarmed civilians but at least they didn't surrender to them this time...

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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                          And your source would be? I'm not taking any shots here, I really do want to know. I prefer to be wrong than ignorant
                                                                                                                                          http://www.fbi.gov/page2/feb04/law020604.htm
                                                                                                                                          http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearin...ss_mylroie.htm
                                                                                                                                          to start.

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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                              http://www.fbi.gov/page2/feb04/law020604.htm
                                                                                                                                              http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearin...ss_mylroie.htm
                                                                                                                                              to start.
                                                                                                                                              Dude, The FBI and the 911 Comission aren't the most reliable sources. They have their own self interests in mind. The 911 Comission okay'd the Patriot act and the FBI is never wrong.

                                                                                                                                              Also the FBI said he masterminded the attack but it neglects to say he carried it out.

                                                                                                                                              the 911 comission cites FBI information, still on Chompsky's side on this....

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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                                  Dude, The FBI and the 911 Comission aren't the most reliable sources. They have their own self interests in mind. The 911 Comission okay'd the Patriot act and the FBI is never wrong.

                                                                                                                                                  Also the FBI said he masterminded the attack but it neglects to say he carried it out.

                                                                                                                                                  the 911 comission cites FBI information, still on Chompsky's side on this....
                                                                                                                                                  Does Chompsky tell you that it was an American Militia? I have to say I am taken back that someone whom tells others to read history books cannot fathom the fact that the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Middle Eastern terrorists?
                                                                                                                                                  Here's some names to feed into google:
                                                                                                                                                  Abdul Rahman Yasin, Mahmud Abu Halima, Nidal Ayyad, Ahmad Ajaj, Muhammed Salameh.
                                                                                                                                                  I would hope that you do not read something and consider because someone famous says it, it's true?

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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by UltraSonic
                                                                                                                                                      Didn't actually see them fire at the protestors. You just hear some shooting and alot of confusion, they could be firing back. My best guess is that they where fired upon and fired back, didn't see any reason why they would just start firing into peacefull protestors.

                                                                                                                                                      This story is ten days old and did hit the headlines of the news.
                                                                                                                                                      The protestors were caught between an exchange of fire between the french and an armed gang of locals. This was the story of the french government and has been confirmed by independent journalists that were there.

                                                                                                                                                      Same shit happens already since 18 months in Iraq on a daily basis...

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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                                          Does Chompsky tell you that it was an American Militia? I have to say I am taken back that someone whom tells others to read history books cannot fathom the fact that the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Middle Eastern terrorists?
                                                                                                                                                          Here's some names to feed into google:
                                                                                                                                                          Abdul Rahman Yasin, Mahmud Abu Halima, Nidal Ayyad, Ahmad Ajaj, Muhammed Salameh.
                                                                                                                                                          I would hope that you do not read something and consider because someone famous says it, it's true?


                                                                                                                                                          Chompsky is not Famous. At least not in Canada at any rate. I could have sworn I saw the Militia thing on CNN right after 9/11. I have an image of a truck that was parked in the basement and something to do with fertalizer that snuffed out the gas in the explosion. And I remember the association with the Militia.

                                                                                                                                                          And no, Chompsky doesn't even mention the WTC 1993m he states the first attack on US soild ever.

                                                                                                                                                          I'm a college teacher by the way, I read more history bookls by more people in a year than most read in a lifetime. I just fear I may have confused some facts, and I know and accept I'm not infallible.

                                                                                                                                                          I will look into it, I'm happy to get a different point of view and I will look into it, I don't want to be misinformed. But realize the FBI is not reliable, neither is CNN. I mentionned earlier Associated Press and Reuters banned many American Newpapers because they were editing the articles. Very Dangerous. That didn't even make the papers in the state did it?

                                                                                                                                                          On your side check out this site www.bookmarks.uk.com - Articles about these events from people outside North America who have no self interests

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                                                                                                                                                              Also www.Commondreams.org - newpaper articles from all over the world are posted herre daily. Naomi Klien is a Canadian journalist with troumendous insight, she's one smart cookie.

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                                                                                                                                                                • xenophobic
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                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                                                  Chompsky is not Famous. At least not in Canada at any rate. I could have sworn I saw the Militia thing on CNN right after 9/11. I have an image of a truck that was parked in the basement and something to do with fertalizer that snuffed out the gas in the explosion. And I remember the association with the Militia.

                                                                                                                                                                  And no, Chompsky doesn't even mention the WTC 1993m he states the first attack on US soild ever.

                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a college teacher by the way, I read more history bookls by more people in a year than most read in a lifetime. I just fear I may have confused some facts, and I know and accept I'm not infallible.

                                                                                                                                                                  I will look into it, I'm happy to get a different point of view and I will look into it, I don't want to be misinformed. But realize the FBI is not reliable, neither is CNN. I mentionned earlier Associated Press and Reuters banned many American Newpapers because they were editing the articles. Very Dangerous. That didn't even make the papers in the state did it?

                                                                                                                                                                  On your side check out this site www.bookmarks.uk.com - Articles about these events from people outside North America who have no self interests
                                                                                                                                                                  I am afraid you are confusing two different events, the bombing of the Federal Building in
                                                                                                                                                                  Oklahoma City, in which two American Citizens often thought to be part of a Militia, Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, who made a bomb out of fertilizer were convicted.
                                                                                                                                                                  The bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 was in a Van parked in the car park below the building, however several of the plotters of that are already in jail serving life sentances for their part in the bombing.
                                                                                                                                                                  Whom would you consider a reputable source on this btw?

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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                                                      True. Probably because it doesn't directly affect anyone here really. I mean it's just as horrible as the chechnians bobmbing that elementary school (It WAS Chechnyans by the way, not Al_Queda like CNN was 'reporting') - The US is playing a much more complex game with their own citizens. I think that causes much of the rage. You seem like a pretty intelligent Dude - check out Noam Chompsky's "Necessary Illusion" - Everything made sense after reading that. you can download the Massy Hall Lecture too and listen to it. It's about creating fear so people don't pay attention to reality. And you're right, more people should give a damn about this, where do Refugees come from? Hmmmmmm?
                                                                                                                                                                      Creating Fear is the same game the NeoCons are playing


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                                                                                                                                                                      You should watch " The Power of Nightmares" (BBC documentary)


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                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                                                          Some Facts Based in Reality NOT in the US

                                                                                                                                                                          US has never been invaeded. First Attack on US soil? Sept 11 2001 - welcome to the world
                                                                                                                                                                          What's it like to be so wrong yet utterly stupid? You can't even spell invaded.
                                                                                                                                                                          Ever hear of Pearl Harbor not to mention 1812 and a host of other British
                                                                                                                                                                          and French attacks.
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by xenophobic
                                                                                                                                                                              I am afraid you are confusing two different events, the bombing of the Federal Building in
                                                                                                                                                                              Oklahoma City, in which two American Citizens often thought to be part of a Militia, Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, who made a bomb out of fertilizer were convicted.
                                                                                                                                                                              The bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 was in a Van parked in the car park below the building, however several of the plotters of that are already in jail serving life sentances for their part in the bombing.
                                                                                                                                                                              Whom would you consider a reputable source on this btw?
                                                                                                                                                                              A-Ha! You're right. I thought something seemed off.

                                                                                                                                                                              Chompsky is solid for a few reasons, one - He's a linguist, entereing field to become a philosopher. Two - He uses unequivical logic. His conclusions are based on the most logcal and simple possibilities. He can retain an incredible amount of information and see the bigger picture at all times. When he speaks, it's almopst hard to stay awake cause it's like he's reading an essay.

                                                                                                                                                                              Jean Raulston Saul - he's pretty good at taking events and drawing logical facts from them - global terms for local events

                                                                                                                                                                              Naomi Klien (Although she can be a little hollier-than-though at times), Haroon Sidiqui

                                                                                                                                                                              those are a few. I am particular to print rather than internet, that's my personal Bias. The BBC at times can be pretty good, so can the CBC. Before the bush administration seized power, there were a few good maistream newsmedia as well, but it looks like they've put the crunch down.

                                                                                                                                                                              how about u?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  [QUOTE]Originally posted by Wilber
                                                                                                                                                                                  What's it like to be so wrong yet utterly stupid? You can't even spell invaded.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Ever hear of Pearl Harbor not to mention 1812 and a host of other British
                                                                                                                                                                                  and French attacks.                                                                                                                                                                                   [/QUOTE

                                                                                                                                                                                  Pearl Harbour was a US Clolny in the 1940's, newly acquired at that.

                                                                                                                                                                                  war of 1812 was actually americans attacking the British in what is now called Canada. The farthest the British ever reached was New York from the North and I believe they made some naval incursions along the coast. But realize, your country wasn't the US at the time, you were terrorists. I believe Hunter S. Thompson said it best in his "The Hammer Head Shark" article saying The Duke would have kicked Thomas Jefferson's ass for being a rebel. International recognition of US nationhood came after the war of 1812.

                                                                                                                                                                                  French attacks? what the fuck are you talking about? Your constitution and declaration of independance were written France to piss off the British. Maybe it's time you hit the old library and not believe ANYTHING you see in hollywood movies

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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      wow, heres to the server that let's them host this shit

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by VeriSexy
                                                                                                                                                                                          Creating Fear is the same game the NeoCons are playing


                                                                                                                                                                                          Dick Cheney
                                                                                                                                                                                          Donald Rumsfeld
                                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Wolfowitz
                                                                                                                                                                                          Douglas Feith
                                                                                                                                                                                          William Luti
                                                                                                                                                                                          John Bolton
                                                                                                                                                                                          Paula Dobriansky

                                                                                                                                                                                          You should watch " The Power of Nightmares" (BBC documentary)


                                                                                                                                                                                          The Power of Nightmares
                                                                                                                                                                                          You're about the third person to recommend that movie to me! It's about time I get off these goddamn boards and watch it. I actually caught a flick called (This one will piss people off) "The Myth of the Liberal Media" - it's apparently similar to Power of Nightmares. Thank for the recommendation! I have to check it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Icon
                                                                                                                                                                                              A-Ha! You're right. I thought something seemed off.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Chompsky is solid for a few reasons, one - He's a linguist, entereing field to become a philosopher. Two - He uses unequivical logic. His conclusions are based on the most logcal and simple possibilities. He can retain an incredible amount of information and see the bigger picture at all times. When he speaks, it's almopst hard to stay awake cause it's like he's reading an essay.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Jean Raulston Saul - he's pretty good at taking events and drawing logical facts from them - global terms for local events

                                                                                                                                                                                              Naomi Klien (Although she can be a little hollier-than-though at times), Haroon Sidiqui

                                                                                                                                                                                              those are a few. I am particular to print rather than internet, that's my personal Bias. The BBC at times can be pretty good, so can the CBC. Before the bush administration seized power, there were a few good maistream newsmedia as well, but it looks like they've put the crunch down.

                                                                                                                                                                                              how about u?
                                                                                                                                                                                              most of the information I have read about the above events I have read several books about: "The War against America", "Seeds of Terror" "Holy War, Inc." and a few others, however I do not adopt any one of the above theories and read the "middle", where events are discussed by all three.
                                                                                                                                                                                              As news sources I do read reuters, BBC and often use news.google.com which gives a multinational view of the same events.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Wilber
                                                                                                                                                                                                  What's it like to be so wrong yet utterly stupid? You can't even spell invaded.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ever hear of Pearl Harbor not to mention 1812 and a host of other British
                                                                                                                                                                                                  and French attacks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wilbur, I am too poor to afford a working keyboard. Please do not confuse lack of wealth with ;ack of knowlegde. it makes you look like an Ass. I'm sure you are not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      How can you tell if they are civilians? They might not be in a uniform, but that doesnt mean anything.

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