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  • Ironhorse
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    • Nov 2002
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    #51
    Originally posted by crockett
    very true.. I do not like what they do or how they do it.. But you have to admit at lest he told it like it was and didn't get into the whole my god is better than your god BS..
    Actually he did state that god is on their side whereas we don't even have one. He is wrong about that, I have several on my side myself, all quite opposed to his way of thinking
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    • JamesK2
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      • Aug 2004
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      #52
      Originally posted by RocHard

      You shot your entire load on 9/11. The US hasn't begun to strike back yet.
      Yet they lost billions of dollars and so many lives.

      Gotta love ignorance.

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      • Rich
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        • Jan 2003
        • 11486

        #53
        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
        I dont think anyone thinks that.
        "they hate our freedom"
        -George W. Bush.

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        • Rich
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          • Jan 2003
          • 11486

          #54
          Originally posted by RocHard
          I read it.
          lmfao


          Originally posted by RocHard
          Really? You attacked three buildings, we destroyed two nations. Score: US 2, Osama 0.
          This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.

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          • gigi
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            • Apr 2001
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            #55
            Originally posted by Ironhorse
            Actually he did state that god is on their side whereas we don't even have one. He is wrong about that, I have several on my side myself, all quite opposed to his way of thinking
            ROTFL!

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            • woodman
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              • Jan 2003
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              #56
              Originally posted by Rich
              lmfao




              This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.
              Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.

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              • Rich
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                • Jan 2003
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                #57
                Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                Pretty fucking tragic when the biggest terrorist in the world is more honest than our own president.
                Tragic, and terrifying. It's amazing that more people now hate Bush than hate Osama, and that doesn't really make many Americans think. Throughout the world Bush is thought of as being the world's number 1 terrorist, but on CNN he's doing a great job. Bush has killed way more innocent people than any "terrorist", and the prisoner torture was one of the most shameful events in modern history. It just blows my mind that Americans turn a complete blind eye to the reality of their foreign policy, because that's easier than changing it.

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                • Rich
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by woodman
                  Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.
                  What are you fucking stupid, why the hell would I do that? You morons started a war there.

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                  • Rich
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Rich
                    lmfao




                    This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.
                    "ability OF people", damn 5 minute edit limit.

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                    • directfiesta
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 30212

                      #60
                      Originally posted by woodman
                      Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.
                      After you go waving an Israeli flag ....
                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                      • tony299
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 57021

                        #61
                        Very interesting stuff, makes more sense then they hate us for our freedoms.

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                        • emthree
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                          • Jun 2003
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                          #62
                          Originally posted by Rich
                          "they hate our freedom"
                          -George W. Bush.

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                          • emthree
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                            #63
                            Them:
                            Us:

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                            • n3in
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                              • Jan 2004
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                              #64
                              im surprised i read all of that, but im glad i did. very insightful.
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                              • sweetME
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                                #65
                                I read every word of it. Unbelievable!


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                                • BlueDesignStudios
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                                  #66
                                  I read it all as well. Definitely insightful.

                                  I'd love to see a debate between Bin Laden & Bush


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                                  • Ad3pt
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                                    #67
                                    Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.
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                                    • datezonline
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                                      • Nov 2004
                                      • 450

                                      #68
                                      im happy to see some americans read this with an open mind


                                      just let the arrogent morons be....some things are too hard to comprehend after a lifetime of cnn/fox propoganda

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                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                        • Oct 2003
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                        Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.


                                        Give it up, retard.

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                                        • Ad3pt
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                                          • Aug 2002
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Joe Citizen


                                          Give it up, retard.
                                          suck it raghead
                                          Don't look here for the joke. It's in your pants.

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                                          • Peacemaker
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                                            #71
                                            hmm. yes.. interesting reading..

                                            but then again, i never thought he was fighting you guys in the US because of your freedom.
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                                            • Webby
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                                              • Oct 2002
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                                              #72
                                              Did anyone ever think .. wot's his name.. Osama was not an intelligent man who has witnessed plenty first hand? :-)

                                              Sure, there is no way I can support his 9/11 activity, but no question there are many serious problems underlying those actions and which some nations, even now, remain in a state of denial over.

                                              The US govt know (or I sure as hell hope they know!!) exactly what has happened to cultivate Osama's "terrorism". After all, they were the major beneficaries of much and Osama is well known to them as a friend in the past.

                                              They also may have taken the time to translate his statement - perhaps even understand it.

                                              I remember, a short time after 9/11, speaking with an US intell person. It gave a clue that there was actually some more rational people left in the US :-)

                                              Not that it was likely to happen, but this person really wanted to do an informal "interrogation" of Osama - a casual chat, treat the man with respect, and try and hear what he was really like and understand why he thought it a good idea to blow people up.

                                              Understanding and educating on the way of others is at least a first step to some peaceful times and not a load of simplistic, "us", "them", "crap countries", "bring em on" and "evil people" stuff.

                                              Last point - can anyone ever name one terrorist organization in the history of this world where the resolution ever came from anything other than peaceful negotiation at the end of the day?

                                              History has much to offer to a few people yet :-)
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                                              • Ad3pt
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                                                #73


                                                I knew you'd come out from under your rock for this one

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                                                • Chichio
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                                                  • Mar 2002
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                                  I agree. What they did was completely wrong but I do understand why. Before 9/11 I was always amazed that the US was never attacked but I knew it was just a matter of time. All it takes is for one to look beyond our biased media to know certain administrations in this country have abused its power to control other governments, repress certain groups of people, have killed quite a few innocent people, and have stuck its nose where it does not belong. Fuck with a bees nest and eventually you are going to get stung.

                                                  We have not seen the end of this, I'm afraid 9/11 was just the beginning. Bush invading Iraq was probably about the worse thing he could have done and once again we will pay for the repurcussions of it, and I feel in a much bigger way than 9/11. Anyone who thinks you can stop it is a fool, there are simply to many ways for someone to pull off an attack.

                                                  It really makes me sad to see what has happened to this country. We used to be a country that the world looked up to and what other countries strived to be like. We have lost our way of being a country of peace and goodwill and instead have been led astray by corrupt leaders with less than honorable intentions, and yet we cannot understand why people want to attack us.
                                                  You are 100% right and it pains me to know all of that too. But we can't give up. We have to keep fighting them or we will lose. I feel there will be another attack too and it hangs over us like a dark cloud but we can never give up.

                                                  I think it's interesting that he implies Bush retains power through rigging elections. I do however think the message gets a little fuzzy when he talks about how Bush listened to the girl talk about a goat. That really doesn't have much to do with anything and it comes off as making fun of him. The message loses a little crediblity there.

                                                  There's no doubt that he is not a stupid person, but the whole idea of innocents dying in retaliation of dead innocents isn't an intellectual concept.

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                                                  • tranza
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                                                    • Jun 2003
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                                                    #75
                                                    Ok, I'm not reading all that.

                                                    Can someone tell me what is written in 6 or less words?
                                                    I'm just a newbie.

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                                                    • smack
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                                                      • Mar 2002
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                                                      #76
                                                      well written. and oddly enough i agree with alot of what he says.

                                                      thanks for posting that.
                                                      Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                      • LadyMischief
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                                                        I read it all as well. Definitely insightful.

                                                        I'd love to see a debate between Bin Laden & Bush

                                                        Bush would lose miserably, and all the syncophants would fall in line proclaiming him the winner.

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                                                        • naitirps
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                          You all missed the point and the truth. We have been helping Israel for years with their problems. Jews are only 4% of our population and caused 99% of our problems in that part of the world.

                                                          So Americans need to ask ..what has Israel done for YOU?
                                                          From this post you sound alot like hitler... A jew hating a jew? Kick it JESUS!
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                                                          • Yngwie
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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by HKS
                                                            Ok so we fucked up by even helping Israel their is no solution! He lives by a code of horror and we as americans can only do one thing and that is find this mother fucker and kill him before he kill's us we need to get the fuck out of iraq and get this guy but it still wont solve the problem some other guy will just take his place so what will happen is america will go broke.

                                                            well thats what I got out of what I read?
                                                            Do you actually believe that killing Osama will stop anything? If you truly believe that then good luck. Funny how people think taht by killing this one man things will settle down. IF you really pay attention you would see that the US gov is no better then the so called terrorists. They are bother doing the SAME shit.. Back and forth.. Back and forth.. In the end all you have is violence and hate.

                                                            Sure, you're free to believe that by killing Osama this shit will end just as much as kids are free to believe in Santa.. But, in bot cases it's bullshit.
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                                                            • Rich
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                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 11486

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by tranza
                                                              Ok, I'm not reading all that.

                                                              Can someone tell me what is written in 6 or less words?
                                                              http://www.cnn.com/

                                                              They will.

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                                                              • ThunderBalls
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                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                                                Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.

                                                                Your statement sounds like it could have came from a terrorist directed towards the US, which makes you no better than them. And comparing it to bin ladens statement you sound like more of a madman than him.

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                                                                • Webby
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                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  ThunderBalls:

                                                                  Your statement sounds like it could have came from a terrorist directed towards the US, which makes you no better than them. And comparing it to bin ladens statement you sound like more of a madman than him.
                                                                  It's just his disease... you gotta excuse him :-)
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                                                                  • nmcog
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                                                                    • Sep 2004
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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                    The rest of the world will have moved on to alternative fuels.
                                                                    "We'll find another energy source very soon now"

                                                                    That's what been said for the past 40years. Same shit different day.

                                                                    Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                    Newflash to the Middle East: In the next thirty years your oil wells will have dryed up, leaving you with nothing.
                                                                    Been claimed for years. Studies have predicted oil supplies will not start falling UNTIL 2050. USA Today news (2004) reports that there is 40 years of petroleum left in the ground and that is the least of ALL studies.

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                                                                    • corvette
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      where did you find this?
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                                                                      • Probono
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        I was also wondering about the source, I have not seen a complete translation before. I did read it and was surprised at the eloquence.

                                                                        He is no fool and not everything he said is wrong. Like any master of propaganda it is a mix of truth and fiction. The interesting weave is the Bush Sr and Jr. I despise GW but that is just propaganda. The attack and others were planned before GW was elected and had nothing to do with him.

                                                                        The reality is Islamic fundementalism and American economic imperialism are not compatible. There are fundamentalists in all religions and in all religions they are intolerant of others, but they are small minorities.

                                                                        The unresolved tensions between Israel and arab world are also just a sham for the polarization of the cultures. He is closer to the truth when he discusses oil. As long as we need oil we need to control oil producers.

                                                                        As long as Arab television shows US troops killing brother arabs there will be no shortage of recruits to carry on suicide bombings.

                                                                        The only resolution is energy independence, lack of military involvement and trying to educate the youth. The problem is when we and the rest of the world are energy independent the middle east will once again become an economic backwater with a large, uneducated, impoverished population. A breeding ground for terror.

                                                                        There are no easy solutions for anyone.

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                                                                        • nmcog
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Above poster has a brain and can think for himself. Republicans and Neo-Conservatives, take note, you can't brainwash him.

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                                                                          • sixxxthsense
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by jact
                                                                            I read every word. Amazing.

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                                                                            • sixxxthsense
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                              I read it. And I was blown away by it.

                                                                              Newflash to the Middle East: In the next thirty years your oil wells will have dryed up, leaving you with nothing. The rest of the world will have moved on to alternative fuels. No one will give a shit about the Middle East, and you'll leave this earth poor and empty handed.

                                                                              The Muslim race is no better than any other race or religion. And if you think otherwise, well, the rest of the world will prove you wrong.

                                                                              On 9/11 you attacked us, and killed thousands of innocent people. We cannot and will not sit by and allow this to happen. You pissed us off Osama, and look at the end result. We destroyed your oganization and will hunt you and you buddies down until you are all dead.

                                                                              You shot your entire load on 9/11. The US hasn't begun to strike back yet.
                                                                              U think Osama reads this BOARD??? what r u talking to your self?

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                                                                              • Pornwolf
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                                                                                • Jan 2002
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                They hate our freedom/We hate their towels.

                                                                                I say it's an even split.
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                                                                                • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                                  "As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. "

                                                                                  Really? You attacked three buildings, we destroyed two nations. Score: US 2, Osama 0.

                                                                                  "This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat. "

                                                                                  Is that so? You bled Russia for ten years in Afganastan, yet it took us how long to take out the governement in Afaganastan? Two weeks? A month?

                                                                                  Hate to burst your bubble, but there are no virgins waiting for you at the end of the line. Go back to your cave.
                                                                                  damn ur ignorant!
                                                                                  US 2 Osama 0?

                                                                                  what is this a fuckign soccer match?


                                                                                  its peoples lives we are talking about stupid!

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                                                                                  • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                    You all missed the point and the truth. We have been helping Israel for years with their problems. Jews are only 4% of our population and caused 99% of our problems in that part of the world.

                                                                                    So Americans need to ask ..what has Israel done for YOU?
                                                                                    just do what hitler did its so much easier

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                                                                                    • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by HKS
                                                                                      Ok so we fucked up by even helping Israel their is no solution! He lives by a code of horror and we as americans can only do one thing and that is find this mother fucker and kill him before he kill's us we need to get the fuck out of iraq and get this guy but it still wont solve the problem some other guy will just take his place so what will happen is america will go broke.

                                                                                      well thats what I got out of what I read?
                                                                                      if you kill'm there will be another

                                                                                      if you stop fucking with their lives they will stop fucking with yours.

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                                                                                      • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                                                                        Actually he did state that god is on their side whereas we don't even have one. He is wrong about that, I have several on my side myself, all quite opposed to his way of thinking
                                                                                        he didnt say GOD!

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                                                                                        • bluedevil
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          derka derka


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                                                                                          • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                                                                            Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.
                                                                                            How is bush not a mad man? How is he different?


                                                                                            wait you are right,
                                                                                            BUSH is way worse

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                                                                                            • sixxxthsense
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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Chichio
                                                                                              You are 100% right and it pains me to know all of that too. But we can't give up. We have to keep fighting them or we will lose. I feel there will be another attack too and it hangs over us like a dark cloud but we can never give up.
                                                                                              You are right, you can't give up, you're not in controll of your country and there isn't anything you can do, you individuals are not behidn the driver seat! You are all just passangers that will suffer a loss sooner or later cuz those guys don't quit unless you eliminate 100% of them, which we all know is impossible!

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                                                                                              • Ironhorse
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                                                                                                • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by Probono
                                                                                                I was also wondering about the source, I have not seen a complete translation before. I did read it and was surprised at the eloquence.

                                                                                                He is no fool and not everything he said is wrong. Like any master of propaganda it is a mix of truth and fiction. The interesting weave is the Bush Sr and Jr. I despise GW but that is just propaganda. The attack and others were planned before GW was elected and had nothing to do with him.

                                                                                                The reality is Islamic fundementalism and American economic imperialism are not compatible. There are fundamentalists in all religions and in all religions they are intolerant of others, but they are small minorities.

                                                                                                The unresolved tensions between Israel and arab world are also just a sham for the polarization of the cultures. He is closer to the truth when he discusses oil. As long as we need oil we need to control oil producers.

                                                                                                As long as Arab television shows US troops killing brother arabs there will be no shortage of recruits to carry on suicide bombings.

                                                                                                The only resolution is energy independence, lack of military involvement and trying to educate the youth. The problem is when we and the rest of the world are energy independent the middle east will once again become an economic backwater with a large, uneducated, impoverished population. A breeding ground for terror.

                                                                                                There are no easy solutions for anyone.
                                                                                                When you look at regional history over last 2000 years you will realize that oil plays a tiny part in the equation. Yes it's a cash crop right now, but conflict in the region has been raging way before oil had the kind of economic significance it does now. This conflict will continue well beyond energy independence from oil.
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                                                                                                • Probono
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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  You are correct in part. The actual tensions between muslim and jews is actually a product of the 20th century. Jews and muslims lived together in harmony throughout most of the past 2000 years. The current situation started after WW2 when palestine was partitioned and no other country in the world wanted the refugees of hitlers extermination camps.

                                                                                                  Oil is the ONLY reason the US cares more about the middle east than it does about Rhowanda or Sudan. Our government would be hard pressed to explain the death of one soldier in Sudan and like Rhowanda before it there is a genocide in process. If there was oil we would already have been "educated" as to need to be there with force to protect the indiginous people.

                                                                                                  Wake up folks you are programmed in school. Stop and think about the history you are taught.

                                                                                                  Manifest Destiny? God's will that all Native American's be exterminated?

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                                                                                                  • Ad3pt
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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    150 interpretations.....




                                                                                                    Originally posted by sixxxthsense
                                                                                                    How is bush not a mad man? How is he different?


                                                                                                    wait you are right,
                                                                                                    BUSH is way worse
                                                                                                    At least Bush tried diplomacy. Did osama attempt a peaceful resolution? No. osama just has some issues and the balls to exact revenge...so does the US.
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                                                                                                    • Peacemaker
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                                                                                      150 interpretations.....






                                                                                                      At least Bush tried diplomacy. Did osama attempt a peaceful resolution? No. osama just has some issues and the balls to exact revenge...so does the US.
                                                                                                      diplomacy? hmm.. what diplomacy do you mean?
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