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  • smack
    Push Porn Like Weight.
    • Mar 2002
    • 10652
    #51
    Originally posted by detoxed
    IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT GODDAMN GEORGE W BUSH. GET OVER IT. GEORGE BUSH IS NOT IN THE SENATE AND GEORGE BUSH DID NOT GO INTO THE SENATE AND BRING THIS UP.
    read everything i have said, comprehend it. get back to me when you are informed on what i'm saying.


    thanks.
    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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      • GatorB
        The Demon & 12clicks
        • Oct 2001
        • 18208
        #52
        Originally posted by Sly
        Hey dude, I'm just telling you how the majority of people see it. You can whine and cry all you want about what's right or not, but that IS how the majority of people see it. And guess what? Majority rules.
        Actually it's not SUPPOSED too. Too bad my country if full of ingorant lazy people. "Oh I'm too lazy too raise my kids. I wish the government would do it" Bible thumper want prayer and religion in public school because when it comes down to it, they are too lazy too even take their kids to Sunday school to teach them the Bible themselves. How fucked up is that?

        My 9 year old has never accessed a porn site and he's been on the net for 4 years now. Hmmmm must be luck.

        I really can't believe how oblivious you all are. Total denial. Porn is the dirty habit people don't want their friends and neighbors to know about. Porn is looked down upon.
        I have this one friend that is often broke and has borrowed money so he could make it to the next paycheck so he could buy food for his family. Funny he always has money for cigarettes.

        My ex brother in law is often broke and my niece and nephew do without because he has a riverboat casino nearby he blows most of his money on.

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          • GatorB
            The Demon & 12clicks
            • Oct 2001
            • 18208
            #53
            Originally posted by detoxed
            IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT GODDAMN GEORGE W BUSH. GET OVER IT. GEORGE BUSH IS NOT IN THE SENATE AND GEORGE BUSH DID NOT GO INTO THE SENATE AND BRING THIS UP.
            If Bush tells the Senate and says "I want an anti-porn bill" you can be god damned sure the republican controlled senate will come up with one.

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              • codymc12
                Confirmed User
                • May 2003
                • 719
                #54
                Originally posted by Sly
                Though I agree, that isn't how parents view it when their 10 year old is checking his email and opens up a nice animated picture of a chick getting fucked up the ass. Other countries already have laws pertaining to free porn.
                Sly,

                I agree with you re: kids seeing porn. I have a daughter.

                However, I think it's important to view the issue in it's true context. Those railing against porn are not simply about the issue of kid's access to it. They are railing against porn as a whole.

                Children are simply what makes it palatable to a more liberal audience. Kind of like partial birth abortions are to the subject of abortion in general. The broader agenda is always a general curtailment of porn for everyone.

                When I look at the entire context of this type of thing, I have to think hard about where I throw my support. Unfortunately, these groups thus far can't be trusted to address simply the issue of children's access to pornography. Their broader agenda is far more pervasive, and carries with it the danger of general censorship.

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                  • Sly
                    Let's do some business!
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 31379
                    #55
                    Originally posted by GatorB

                    I have this one friend that is often broke and has borrowed money so he could make it to the next paycheck so he could buy food for his family. Funny he always has money for cigarettes.

                    My ex brother in law is often broke and my niece and nephew do without because he has a riverboat casino nearby he blows most of his money on.
                    Yep, you're right. They both have hearings and trials too. So do guns. So do drugs.

                    What's your point? Is skirting the issue the only thing you know how to do?
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                      • Rich
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11486
                        #56
                        Originally posted by detoxed
                        IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT GODDAMN GEORGE W BUSH. GET OVER IT. GEORGE BUSH IS NOT IN THE SENATE AND GEORGE BUSH DID NOT GO INTO THE SENATE AND BRING THIS UP.
                        Most people in the world are sick of George Bush fucking things up and taking away people's rights, so no one much cares what you're "tired of hearing". No wonder you have a new job every 6 months, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

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                          • Sly
                            Let's do some business!
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 31379
                            #57
                            Originally posted by codymc12
                            Sly,

                            I agree with you re: kids seeing porn. I have a daughter.

                            However, I think it's important to view the issue in it's true context. Those railing against porn are not simply about the issue of kid's access to it. They are railing against porn as a whole.

                            Children are simply what makes it palatable to a more liberal audience. Kind of like partial birth abortions are to the subject of abortion in general. The broader agenda is always a general curtailment of porn for everyone.

                            When I look at the entire context of this type of thing, I have to think hard about where I throw my support. Unfortunately, these groups thus far can't be trusted to address simply the issue of children's access to pornography. Their broader agenda is far more pervasive, and carries with it the danger of general censorship.
                            How can you agree with me? I never stated my opinion. I'm simply telling you all what the average person is thinking because so many here are so disillusioned and don't seem to have any idea what "normal" people think.

                            Guess what guys? We sell porn. We are not normal people!

                            I haven't stated my opinion yet and this GatorB dude is throwing a hissy fit due to his lack of reading comprehension skills.
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                              • GatorB
                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 18208
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Sly
                                Yep, you're right. They both have hearings and trials too. So do guns. So do drugs.

                                What's your point? Is skirting the issue the only thing you know how to do?
                                No skirting. Show my the ban on cigarettes and gambling bills going thru congress? Show me a COPAesque bill concerning cigs and gambing floating around congress that has a chance in hell of passing? There is none.

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                                  • detoxed
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                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 17798
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by smack
                                    read everything i have said, comprehend it. get back to me when you are informed on what i'm saying.


                                    thanks.
                                    I've read what you've said, and its not as profound as you seem to think it is.

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                                      • Peacemaker
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                                        • Feb 2002
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                                        #60
                                        Kerry wins Ohio
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                                          • detoxed
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                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 17798
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Rich
                                            Most people in the world are sick of George Bush fucking things up and taking away people's rights, so no one much cares what you're "tired of hearing". No wonder you have a new job every 6 months, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
                                            New job every 6 months??? I've had ONE job in this industry, and I quit it about 6 months ago. Now, as soon as you know what the fuck you are talking about, let me know. The top people on this board have even offered me money to get in on what I do. Get a clue.

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                                              • Peacemaker
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                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 897
                                                #62
                                                The problem is:

                                                Ofcourse Kids should not have access to Porn at internet.

                                                BUT, it wont change anything if, let say, all US sites are down. There are enough sites that are not hosted in the US or owned form an american.

                                                I think installing an "Anti Porn Software" (or something like that) on the PC the Kid is using (while i ask myself, why are kids on a pc and not playing outside?!) would be the better solution.

                                                In other words:

                                                Parents have to take care of what the Kids are doing.
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                                                  • GatorB
                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 18208
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                    How can you agree with me? I never stated my opinion. I'm simply telling you all what the average person is thinking because so many here are so disillusioned and don't seem to have any idea what "normal" people think.

                                                    Guess what guys? We sell porn. We are not normal people!

                                                    I haven't stated my opinion yet and this GatorB dude is throwing a hissy fit due to his lack of reading comprehension skills.
                                                    A) I haven't thrown a hissy fit. I'm stating my opinion. I live in America I can still do that. Sorry that FREEDOM bothers you.

                                                    B) I am NORMAL. So I sell porn. Guess what so does my cable company. Playboy, Spice Spice 2, Hot Network. Hmmmmm. Most so called "normal" people look at porn. They are just too ashamed to admit it. That's because of Jesus freaks try to shame them and they should just have the balls to tell them to fuck off and mid ther own business.

                                                    C) Fuck off you self-lothing, abnormal, child abusing, family ruining pornographer

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                                                      • smack
                                                        Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                        • 10652
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by detoxed
                                                        I've read what you've said, and its not as profound as you seem to think it is.
                                                        i'm not trying to be profound.

                                                        i'm simply stating that since all is controlled by conservatives, all the way up the ladder, that a conservative agenda will be pushed. there will be no veto's, dem's may even lose the philibuster.

                                                        if one of the three bodies, or more, were controlled by liberals you wouldn't see issues like this being brought up.
                                                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                          • Sly
                                                            Let's do some business!
                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                            • 31379
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by GatorB
                                                            No skirting. Show my the ban on cigarettes and gambling bills going thru congress? Show me a COPAesque bill concerning cigs and gambing floating around congress that has a chance in hell of passing? There is none.
                                                            You're skirting right now. Are you really this dense?

                                                            The topic at hand is porn. Not drugs. Not cigarettes. Not gambling.

                                                            Do you plan on going to your congressmen and say "there are much worse things than porn, drop your attacks on porn and go after cigarettes!" Those are totally separate issues.

                                                            When one issue is the topic at hand and you try to move the flow of conversation to another topic, thats skirting.
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                                                              • codymc12
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                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 719
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Sly
                                                                How can you agree with me? I never stated my opinion. I'm simply telling you all what the average person is thinking because so many here are so disillusioned and don't seem to have any idea what "normal" people think.

                                                                Guess what guys? We sell porn. We are not normal people!

                                                                I haven't stated my opinion yet and this GatorB dude is throwing a hissy fit due to his lack of reading comprehension skills.
                                                                Sorry if I took words out of your mouth. Perhaps your response wasn't the best to quote to make my point. I do think my post was germane to this thread in general, but it wasn't meant as an attack on you in any way.

                                                                You are correct - dealers in 'adult' will always be second class citizens. To both Republicans and Democrats alike. Whether actually or simply vocally, people look down on pornographers in any country that has it's roots in religion. It's visceral. People who don't go to Church, for example, will say they believe in God even if they are truthfully ambiguous, because they feel like they SHOULD believe in God.

                                                                Similarly, people feel that they SHOULD think porn is bad, or feel bad about viewing it or wanting to view it. All it takes is a good PR campaign. Look at smoking. Years of very good PR campaigns are creating a general atmosphere where smokers are thought of as somewhat unwholesome.

                                                                And that's just years. The PR campaign against sex has been running in this country since it's inception.

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                                                                  • detoxed
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                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 17798
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by smack
                                                                    i'm not trying to be profound.

                                                                    i'm simply stating that since all is controlled by conservatives, all the way up the ladder, that a conservative agenda will be pushed. there will be no veto's, dem's may even lose the philibuster.

                                                                    if one of the three bodies, or more, were controlled by liberals you wouldn't see issues like this being brought up.
                                                                    Really... so you are saying that at no time in history when liberals were in control of one of the 3, something like this was brought up? Have you checked into that?
                                                                    Last edited by detoxed; 11-18-2004, 05:52 PM.

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                                                                      • Rich
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 11486
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                        And why exactly do we have a conservative House, Senate, and President?
                                                                        Because the brilliance of their advertising embarrasses the ignorance of the majority of voters. They're great at talking and naming things, and playing the media. Seeing as you're in advertising, you realize that the majority of people are sheep and eat up good advertising, no matter what it's selling. This is the reason why stupid people vote for Bush, they've been sold.

                                                                        The majority of people in the western world are not "conservative", they've been sold the idea that they are. The radical conservatives have blurred the lines between liberalism and conservatism, and somehow made the word liberal negative. America was founded on liberal ideas, and every great social advancement has come because social conservatism LOST. Social conservatism is a sickness, people who look to restrict the rights of people they don't agree with or understand are not functional members of our great free society that social liberalism has built. The taliban is what happens when social conservatism mixed with religious fundamentalism goes unchecked.

                                                                        We in the western world tend to take the freedoms social liberalism has won us for granted. The end of slavery, legalized divorce, women voting, equal rights for minorities, separation of church and state, birth control, and oh yeah, what's that other thing, democracy.

                                                                        I have a feeling those in America who forget these things are going to remember them soon enough.
                                                                        Last edited by Rich; 11-18-2004, 05:55 PM.

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                                                                          • smack
                                                                            Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                                            • 10652
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                            Really... so you are saying that at no time in history when liberals were in control of one of the 3, something like this was brought up? Have you checked into that?
                                                                            i'm not saying at anytime in history that liberals may have not tried to do that. but right now in this day and age it would most likely not be an issue brought up by liberals. especially since most christian fundmentalists happen to be republicans.
                                                                            Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                              • detoxed
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                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                • 17798
                                                                                #70
                                                                                So Rich what were those jobs of mine you were talking about? Since I can only think of one job that I've had in this industry.

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                                                                                  • GatorB
                                                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                    • 18208
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Peacemaker
                                                                                    The problem is:

                                                                                    Ofcourse Kids should not have access to Porn at internet.

                                                                                    BUT, it wont change anything if, let say, all US sites are down. There are enough sites that are not hosted in the US or owned form an american.

                                                                                    I think installing an "Anti Porn Software" (or something like that) on the PC the Kid is using (while i ask myself, why are kids on a pc and not playing outside?!) would be the better solution.

                                                                                    In other words:

                                                                                    Parents have to take care of what the Kids are doing.
                                                                                    Well the software I use for virus, anti-spyware, firewall has parental controlls and my 9 uear old had to ask me permission before he could even get on CartoonNetwork.com among other sites you think are kid friendly because of the settings I had. Yes it was a pain to have to keep seeing what he wanted to have access to and give him permission on such obvious sites, but hey so I took a few minutes out of my life to protect my kid. Big fucking deal.

                                                                                    When my kid wants to rent a PS2 game I always go withhim and if it has an M I say no, if it has a T I have to really look at it to see if I can tell WHY it has a T. If it's for cartoon type vilonce then I might OK it. If it's more real or has sexual overtones then no he doesn't rent it. I'm surprised by what some parents let their kids play. See I am the parent. Not the government or the church.

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                                                                                      • detoxed
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                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                        • 17798
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by smack
                                                                                        i'm not saying at anytime in history that liberals may have not tried to do that. but right now in this day and age it would most likely not be an issue brought up by liberals. especially since most christian fundmentalists happen to be republicans.

                                                                                        But wait... it doesnt have to be brought up by liberals in this day and age if only one of the 3 bodies you mentioned are liberal.

                                                                                        You said if only ONE of them were liberal it wouldnt have been brought up.

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                                                                                          • Rich
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                            • 11486
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            I don't know Detoxed, you were whoring something in your sig 6 months ago, now you're whoring something else. Whatever the case may be it doesn't change the fact that Bush and his gang of social conservatives are a huge threat to this (and every progressive) industry. The fact that you're tired of hearing it wouldn't come in to play if you had any real stake in this business, unless you're completely fucking dense.

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                                                                                              • smack
                                                                                                Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 10652
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                But wait... it doesnt have to be brought up by liberals in this day and age if only one of the 3 bodies you mentioned are liberal.

                                                                                                You said if only ONE of them were liberal it wouldnt have been brought up.
                                                                                                most likely would not have been brought up because i believe a liberal president would have vetoed it. anda liberal senate wouldn't have had much interest in the matter. the house obviously has the least pull out of the three. so i suppose i shall restate that as one of the two bodies. since they seemed to bypass the house and pick this right up in the senate.
                                                                                                Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                                  • Sly
                                                                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                                    • 31379
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by codymc12
                                                                                                    Sorry if I took words out of your mouth. Perhaps your response wasn't the best to quote to make my point. I do think my post was germane to this thread in general, but it wasn't meant as an attack on you in any way.

                                                                                                    You are correct - dealers in 'adult' will always be second class citizens. To both Republicans and Democrats alike. Whether actually or simply vocally, people look down on pornographers in any country that has it's roots in religion. It's visceral. People who don't go to Church, for example, will say they believe in God even if they are truthfully ambiguous, because they feel like they SHOULD believe in God.

                                                                                                    Similarly, people feel that they SHOULD think porn is bad, or feel bad about viewing it or wanting to view it. All it takes is a good PR campaign. Look at smoking. Years of very good PR campaigns are creating a general atmosphere where smokers are thought of as somewhat unwholesome.

                                                                                                    And that's just years. The PR campaign against sex has been running in this country since it's inception.
                                                                                                    Now this is a good post!

                                                                                                    You didn't attack me in any way. I was simply trying to make the point that I haven't been posting my personal beliefs, just observations and thoughts as to how the general public sees things.

                                                                                                    I'm not ashamed of anything I do at all or I wouldn't do it, but I'm also not blind to the fact that pornographers are looked down upon by society in general. I think the religious get a little too much flack for this. Yes, of course they do lookdown upon porn but it doesn't stop there by any means.

                                                                                                    Would you like the parents of your childrens friends to know about your lifestyle and occupation? Odds are you wouldn't. I know that I wouldn't.

                                                                                                    Part of the evil stigma surrounding porn comes from child porn, rape, abused women, etc. All of those things often times get associated with porn.
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                                                                                                      • smack
                                                                                                        Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                        • 10652
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                        But wait... it doesnt have to be brought up by liberals in this day and age if only one of the 3 bodies you mentioned are liberal.

                                                                                                        You said if only ONE of them were liberal it wouldnt have been brought up.
                                                                                                        and i said most likely. because you're busting my balls when i generalize.
                                                                                                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                                          • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                                            • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Welcome to the Republican Party. If your a webmaster and you voted Republican, this is further proof you made a BAD decision.

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                                                                                                              • Sly
                                                                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                • 31379
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                Well the software I use for virus, anti-spyware, firewall has parental controlls and my 9 uear old had to ask me permission before he could even get on CartoonNetwork.com among other sites you think are kid friendly because of the settings I had. Yes it was a pain to have to keep seeing what he wanted to have access to and give him permission on such obvious sites, but hey so I took a few minutes out of my life to protect my kid. Big fucking deal.

                                                                                                                When my kid wants to rent a PS2 game I always go withhim and if it has an M I say no, if it has a T I have to really look at it to see if I can tell WHY it has a T. If it's for cartoon type vilonce then I might OK it. If it's more real or has sexual overtones then no he doesn't rent it. I'm surprised by what some parents let their kids play. See I am the parent. Not the government or the church.
                                                                                                                Yep, you seem like a good parent. My 9 year old brother plays GTA, I wasn't real thrilled about that.

                                                                                                                Give yourself a pat on the shoulder. Not enough good parents these days.
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                                                                                                                  • detoxed
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                    I don't know Detoxed, you were whoring something in your sig 6 months ago, now you're whoring something else. Whatever the case may be it doesn't change the fact that Bush and his gang of social conservatives are a huge threat to this (and every progressive) industry. The fact that you're tired of hearing it wouldn't come in to play if you had any real stake in this business, unless you're completely fucking dense.

                                                                                                                    I dont whore anything. I traded some work for my sig spot this month. And I had AAC in there because it made me over $3k a month in referrals.

                                                                                                                    I dont have any real stake in the porn business. I have a real stake a ton of internet businesses. And guess what? I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND HOW TERRIBLE HE IS. WHY? BECAUSE IT WONT CHANGE A GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING THING! THATS WHY!

                                                                                                                    Now, why do you like to bitch about George Bush? Problems in your home life?

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                                                                                                                      • TurboTrucker
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                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        I shoot up some porn at least once a day.

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                                                                                                                          • hydro
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                                                                                                                            • Dec 2003
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            no kid under 14 should be allowed online alone without a parent present in the room and from a viewable angle of the monitor. Parents are just lazy and want the goverment and mtv to raise thier kids. Alot of the worlds problems could decrease drastically if parents just learned how to use a bealth on the ass.

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                                                                                                                              • GatorB
                                                                                                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                • 18208
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                You're skirting right now. Are you really this dense?



                                                                                                                                Hey fucktard what's with the insults? You're useles to talk too if that's all youa r going to do because you don't agree with me.

                                                                                                                                Oh if you wish to compare IQs I'll meet you at the next mensa meeting.

                                                                                                                                The topic at hand is porn. Not drugs. Not cigarettes. Not gambling.
                                                                                                                                Obviously the concept of CONTEXT eldues.

                                                                                                                                Also who died and made you board mod?

                                                                                                                                Do you plan on going to your congressmen and say "there are much worse things than porn, drop your attacks on porn and go after cigarettes!" Those are totally separate issues.
                                                                                                                                Well we were talking about the Senate and congressmen work in the HOUSE, so now YOU are getting off topic.

                                                                                                                                How's it feel to have someone bitch about inconsequential point?

                                                                                                                                When one issue is the topic at hand and you try to move the flow of conversation to another topic, thats skirting.
                                                                                                                                Possinbly you

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                                                                                                                                  • detoxed
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                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 17798
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by hydro
                                                                                                                                    no kid under 14 should be allowed online alone without a parent present in the room and from a viewable angle of the monitor. Parents are just lazy and want the goverment and mtv to raise thier kids. Alot of the worlds problems could decrease drastically if parents just learned how to use a bealth on the ass.


                                                                                                                                    When I was about 13 I ran a phone cord under the carpet from the living room to my bedroom. Used a friends internet account and surfed the net for a few hours in the middle of the night every night. LOL

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                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                        Yep, you seem like a good parent. My 9 year old brother plays GTA, I wasn't real thrilled about that.

                                                                                                                                        Give yourself a pat on the shoulder. Not enough good parents these days.
                                                                                                                                        I was at a firends house several months ago and my son wanted to play his PS2 and he showed him his games and he saw GTA and he asked about it and my friend knowing me asked me if my son could play it and I told him no. He new that would be my answer anyways but he asked. He let's his kids play it and those wrestling games where you bash people on the head with stuff. I'm not judging him I just have my rules.

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                                                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                            When I was about 13 I ran a phone cord under the carpet from the living room to my bedroom. Used a friends internet account and surfed the net for a few hours in the middle of the night every night. LOL
                                                                                                                                            Which is why I don't let my kid sleep over anywhere unless I'm at a friends house with his kids and we are BOTH staying the night.

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                                                                                                                                              • hydro
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 4216
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                                When I was about 13 I ran a phone cord under the carpet from the living room to my bedroom. Used a friends internet account and surfed the net for a few hours in the middle of the night every night. LOL
                                                                                                                                                haha awsome

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                                                                                                                                                  • Sly
                                                                                                                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 31379
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                    I was at a firends house several months ago and my son wanted to play his PS2 and he showed him his games and he saw GTA and he asked about it and my friend knowing me asked me if my son could play it and I told him no. He new that would be my answer anyways but he asked. He let's his kids play it and those wrestling games where you bash people on the head with stuff. I'm not judging him I just have my rules.
                                                                                                                                                    My dad was pretty strict about that stuff in my younger years but once I hit 14 or so he pretty much let me do whatever I want. Guess he figured by that age I was going to be how I was going to be. And actually its kind of funny because I ended up policing myself. I knew what I was and wasn't allowed to watch/say as a kid.
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                                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                        My dad was pretty strict about that stuff in my younger years but once I hit 14 or so he pretty much let me do whatever I want. Guess he figured by that age I was going to be how I was going to be. And actually its kind of funny because I ended up policing myself. I knew what I was and wasn't allowed to watch/say as a kid.
                                                                                                                                                        Well I do explain WHY to my kid which I think is important. Telling a kid NO without explaination is pointless because the whole point is having your kid understand why it's not right to watch this or play that.

                                                                                                                                                        Funny thing is my kid NEVER swears. I mean never. I have never had to punish him for swearing. I swear like sailor. Hell I even let him watch South Park with me( and no that doesn't make me a hypocrite. He watches it WITH me ). He knows it's not right and doesn't do it.

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                                                                                                                                                          • codymc12
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 719
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                            Now this is a good post!

                                                                                                                                                            You didn't attack me in any way. I was simply trying to make the point that I haven't been posting my personal beliefs, just observations and thoughts as to how the general public sees things.

                                                                                                                                                            I'm not ashamed of anything I do at all or I wouldn't do it, but I'm also not blind to the fact that pornographers are looked down upon by society in general. I think the religious get a little too much flack for this. Yes, of course they do lookdown upon porn but it doesn't stop there by any means.

                                                                                                                                                            Would you like the parents of your childrens friends to know about your lifestyle and occupation? Odds are you wouldn't. I know that I wouldn't.

                                                                                                                                                            Part of the evil stigma surrounding porn comes from child porn, rape, abused women, etc. All of those things often times get associated with porn.
                                                                                                                                                            Cool - no harm, no foul.

                                                                                                                                                            Yes, I'm aware of the 'general consensus'. Perhaps it would sound strange to some, but knowing what the 'general view' of pornographers is made my being in the adult industry the last reason I voted against Bush.

                                                                                                                                                            I didn't vote as I did because I'm in the industry. The truth is, we have no representation regardless of who is in office, and probably never will. In countries where porn is more mainstream and less regulated by a puritan society, there is still no real representation, and someone who fucks on film or films fucking is not likely to be invited to parties hosted by politicians.

                                                                                                                                                            Just as a point of debate, Sly, I think the Religious Right gets the most flack EVEN THOUGH the problem is more societal because they are the ones who are most in the forefront lobbying for legislation of various points of morality.

                                                                                                                                                            My daughter is 16, and we're very aware of her internet viewing habits. We're also aware, from her telling us at various times, of the type of stuff her peers are exposed to. We live in a fairly conservative area, and I have always thought it was ironic that parents who work in the adult industry (us) seem to be doing a better job of regulating their child's access to Adult than many of the conservatives surrounding us. Not to mention that she doesn't do drugs, and will be the first female in three generations of her family to complete High School and go to college.

                                                                                                                                                            And yet, we are Liberal Pornographers. Just shows the practical value of labels.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                                Wow, you guys won't fess up?

                                                                                                                                                                Pornography is completely addicting.

                                                                                                                                                                I'm surprised you won't acknowledge that and you're acting like its not.

                                                                                                                                                                I'd go so far as to say its more addictive than any drug.
                                                                                                                                                                Noporn is not addictive, what is addictive is masturbating. It releases a chemical into your brain that makes you feel good.

                                                                                                                                                                Don't worry the last thing the Republicans are going to do is give in too much to the "Moral Minority" It would make them unelectable for decades and they know it.

                                                                                                                                                                However on the other hand do not think they will ignore these people. Expect a lot more restrictions put on production and publishing of porn inside the US. As for blocking us overseas people welling it to Americans, for get about it the WTO will put a stop to that.



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                                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                    Oh I'm sorry the internet should be geared as if everyone is 5 years old? Sorry but if your kids just goes on the internet and gets access to porn while reasearch something for school 99% of the time it YOUR fault. How many people don't even have a firewall( or know what one is ) or anti-virus or anti-spyware protection. Yet it's SOMEONE else's fault if something bad happens on their computer. That's like going downtown, picking up the nastiest crack whre you find, fuck her without a condom then blame HER because you got a STD.
                                                                                                                                                                    This is just the attitude and answer the moralists want to hear. They love it when people put this argument forward.

                                                                                                                                                                    Becasue they know there are millions of parents who are not geeks and computer whizz kids who will support their argument.

                                                                                                                                                                    The children are not driving down town, the crack whore is turning up in their bedroom.



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                                                                                                                                                                      • azguy
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                        • 5167
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                                                        Comparing pornography to heroin, researchers on Thursday called on Congress to finance studies on "porn addiction" and launch a public health campaign about the dangers.

                                                                                                                                                                        "We're so afraid to talk about sex in our society that we really give carte blanche to the people who are producing this kind of material," said James B. Weaver, a Virginia Tech professor who studies the impact of pornography.

                                                                                                                                                                        Internet pornography is corrupting children and hooking adults into an addiction that threatens their jobs and families, a panel of anti-porn advocates told the hearing organized by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., chairman of the Commerce subcommittee on science.

                                                                                                                                                                        Brownback, a father of five, said when he was a boy, the typical kid's exposure was limited to occasional peeks at dirty magazines illicitly obtained by a buddy.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now, he said, pornography seems pervasive. Children run across it while researching homework on the Internet. Vulgar ads arrive unexpectedly by e-mail. Some of his middle-age male friends limit their time alone in hotel rooms to avoid the temptation of graphic pay-per-view movies, Brownback said.

                                                                                                                                                                        Mary Anne Layden, co-director of a sexual trauma program at the University of Pennsylvania, said pornography's effect on the brain mirrors addiction to heroin or crack cocaine. She told of one patient, a business executive, who arrived at his office at 9 a.m. each day, logged onto Internet porn sites, and didn't log off until 5 p.m.

                                                                                                                                                                        Layden called for billboards and bus ads warning people to avoid pornography, strip clubs and prostitutes.

                                                                                                                                                                        The panel discussion ranged from hardcore, violent pornography to audience complaints about a sexually suggestive promo that aired prior to this week's "Monday Night Football" game.

                                                                                                                                                                        Brownback, an outspoken Christian conservative who has championed efforts to curb indecency on television and the Internet, said the public is beginning to realize "they don't just have to take it."

                                                                                                                                                                        But he acknowledged the First Amendment right to free speech has limited congressional efforts.

                                                                                                                                                                        In June, the Supreme Court blocked a law designed to shield Web-surfing children from pornography, ruling that requiring adults to register or use access codes before viewing objectionable material would infringe on their rights.

                                                                                                                                                                        Brownback said scientific data is needed to help his cause.

                                                                                                                                                                        Weaver acknowledged that research "directly assessing the impact of pornography addiction on families and communities is rather limited."

                                                                                                                                                                        But he pointed to studies that show prolonged use of pornography leads to "sexual callousness, the erosion of family values and diminished sexual satisfaction."

                                                                                                                                                                        Judith Reisman, a vocal critic of the Kinsey Institute and the field of sexology, suggested Congress require police officers to gather evidence of pornography at crime scenes to further research.




                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...907EST0715.DTL
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm addicted. It's good that finally my problem will be recognized and treated properly!! YOHOO!

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                                                                                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by codymc12

                                                                                                                                                                            I have always thought it was ironic that parents who work in the adult industry (us) seem to be doing a better job of regulating their child's access to Adult than many of the conservatives surrounding us.

                                                                                                                                                                            And yet, we are Liberal Pornographers. Just shows the practical value of labels. [/B]
                                                                                                                                                                            This is very true. As I said I'm WAY more observant of my kids internet and TV watching activitites than most parents. Not patting myself on the back, but I would be ostriscized and be called a pervert and much worse by the same lazy ingorant Bible thumper parents that are too busy to raise their kids.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • SuckOnThis
                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 6844
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by kenny
                                                                                                                                                                                If some of you want to bitch about somebody hurting this industry then look no further then spammers..

                                                                                                                                                                                They have/will do far more damage to this industry then any one political figure can ever dream..

                                                                                                                                                                                I couldnt agree more. Getting spam with the subject being 'Watch her take it up the ass with a black cock' is fucked up and even more fucked up when kids see that shit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • rett11
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 397
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                                                                    IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT GODDAMN GEORGE W BUSH. GET OVER IT. GEORGE BUSH IS NOT IN THE SENATE AND GEORGE BUSH DID NOT GO INTO THE SENATE AND BRING THIS UP.
                                                                                                                                                                                    sorry you're sick of it. the problem is, with George Bush in office, every moral conservative out there feels like it's 'safe' to come out from under their rock and complain about whatever they happen to latch on to. this would be NOWHERE near as prevalent with a dem in office. so, whether you're sick and fucking tired of it or not, you are gonna hear a shitload of it in the next four years...and it's only gonna get MUCH worse.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 30198
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Couldn't post before ...

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hard when you are rolling of laughter on the ground

                                                                                                                                                                                        So let's all chant together:

                                                                                                                                                                                        " FOUR MORE YEARS "

                                                                                                                                                                                        now back to hysterical demential laughter ....

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank SATAN I am not american ...
                                                                                                                                                                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 51692
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            There should be a limit out there ... there area right things and wrong things ...

                                                                                                                                                                                            showing BBW content is kinda sick .

                                                                                                                                                                                            They should stick to nice womans and that will be the end of our troubles :P
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                                                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mr.Fiction
                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 9484
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                                                                                                                This is just the attitude and answer the moralists want to hear. They love it when people put this argument forward.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Becasue they know there are millions of parents who are not geeks and computer whizz kids who will support their argument.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The children are not driving down town, the crack whore is turning up in their bedroom.
                                                                                                                                                                                                When you sign up for cable TV, you are bringing all that comes with it into your house. Only an adult can sign up for cable TV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                When you sign up for the Internet, the same.

                                                                                                                                                                                                No one is saying you should have to enter your credit card everytime you turn the channel to HBO and you shouldn't have to enter your credit card everytime you see a porn site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                If parents don't like it, they can turn off the internet or do their fucking jobs and monitor their kids or use any of the readily availble software to limit what their kids see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The idea that HBO is responsible for making sure kids don't watch shows on their channel - a channel made for adults - is just as stupid as saying that webmasters making sites for adults are responsible for making sure those kids don't reach the sites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Of course webmasters try to help parents by giving them access to tools, but webmasters cannot raise people's children for them. Webmasters who label their sites with the content rating services are giving parents every tool they need to limit what their kids watch. If a parent don't watch out for their own kids, what kind of parents are they?
                                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 11-18-2004, 08:29 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dead13
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 477
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                                                                                    DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND HOW TERRIBLE HE IS. WHY? BECAUSE IT WONT CHANGE A GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING THING! THATS WHY!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now, why do you like to bitch about George Bush? Problems in your home life?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then don't read the threads, simple as that. Your trying to argue in America because you do not like reading about Bush that you want everybody else to shut up about it so as to no longer inconvience you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you do not like it, don't fucking pay attention to it, you and all these fucking idiological consevatives do not seem to get that point. You are just as free to ignore everything you do not like as we are to create it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    You do not however, have the power to shut anybody up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • KRL
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 31429
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Charly I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. Of course masturbation and sex is addictive, we all know that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        But I think the visual stimulation of porn is just as addictive. I don't think it does damage like they are saying here, but just looking at porn does stimulate pheronomes as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I used to even joke when people asked me what I did for a living and say I was in the chemcal business and manufactured pheronomes.

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