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That dumb mob opinion is alive and kicking when "citizens" are taught how to behave. They are so dumbed down, they know nothing, but love to have an opinion and some vengance.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Imagine what the reaction of the blind pro-war patriots would be if it was a US marine being executed by a gunshot to the back of the head by an 'insurgent'?
They'd be screeching like little girls.
Now watch them say how it's justified and a good thing.
Truth is they know very little about Iraq - I'd reckon just as much as any US soldier there - and that's damned little.
Makes you wonder where all this "us", "them" and "enemies" come from in a country that purports to have high moral values. Or least, that is the skin-deep basis on which the current Admin claims it was elected :-)XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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He was not taken prisoner. FYI every war...on all sides...even those that are taken prisioner are frequently killed. More often that not they are killed without taking them prisoner. Usually prisoners are not ever taken by small units (unless ordered to do so) and more often than not soldiers do not prefer to take prisoners as they develop a hatred for the enemy...and/or do not trust the enemy as prisoners.Originally posted by Centurion
The operative word here is "prisoner"!
You do NOT execute prisoners.
It IS that simple.
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Interesting (but not really surprising) the way the report tries to justify his actions at the end.Ignorance is never bliss.
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All you stupid mother fuckers talking about how stupid this guy acted and how he "simply" should've done this or that. These guys are in a war and you want them to take the time to possibly get suicide bombed or gather all the information they can from other squads about a room they're in at the moment. He's doing his job fucksticks and its not easy.icq: 320340263Comment
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Man remember, this is GFY and its about 95% idiots. But they think they have all the perfect answers for every situation.Originally posted by beergood
All you stupid mother fuckers talking about how stupid this guy acted and how he "simply" should've done this or that. These guys are in a war and you want them to take the time to possibly get suicide bombed or gather all the information they can from other squads about a room they're in at the moment. He's doing his job fucksticks and its not easy.
People watch a war movie and suddenly they know everything.Last edited by Mr Pheer; 11-15-2004, 04:57 PM.Comment
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theKing:
It is very clear you are EXTREMELY DUMB King.He was not taken prisoner. FYI every war...on all sides...even those that are taken prisioner are frequently killed.
What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??
Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??
Sheesh.. you are really VERY VERY STUPID for a human being.
I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.
Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Remember the 2,000 people who were not fed for 3 days while traveling in the hot desert locked in us vehicles only to be killed by their own coerced people under us command?
Its fucked up. How would you like to be living there, minding your own business then some people come in and start killing your friends/family, and bombing your homes?Comment
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Does he not have to be part of a recognized army in order to be protected under the "Prisoner of War" Geneva Convention section?Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??
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Correction 98% and Webby from the fantasy world of Webbyland is one of the biggest idiots.Originally posted by MrPheer
Man remember, this is GFY and its about 95% idiots. But they think they have all the perfect answers for every situation.
People watch a war movie and suddenly they know everything.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Sgt. Speedbump would be rationalising genocide if it was being carried out by U.S. troops.Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
It is very clear you are EXTREMELY DUMB King.
What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??
Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??
Sheesh.. you are really VERY VERY STUPID for a human being.
I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.
Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.
Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.Comment
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theKing:
I'm waiting for some bullshit about "reading him his rights" and being "formally declared a prisioner of war".He was not taken prisoner.
Sheesh.. Wonder if they brought the forms in triple along to allow us make em sign and declare them prisoners according to the Pentagon??
What a fucking silly, but sad joke...XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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xenophobic:
That brings us back to the issue - what the fuck is the US doing in Iraq??Does he not have to be part of a recognized army in order to be protected under the "Prisoner of War" Geneva Convention section?
What was the reason for invading and occupying Iraq?
The most probable likelyhood, (tho who knows?) is that the victim was not any "terrorist", but an Iraqi national who has full rights to be there.
It is the US who should not be in that country - they don't deserve any consideration by the Iraqi people.
If US troops kill Iraqi's - they also need to be shot at until they piss off back to Texas or wherever.
The chances of him being a "terrorist" vary, but around 10%-20%.
It has been stated already, tho, may be getting a rapidly changing story at this moment, - that this group of US troops had no clue who were fighters and who were not. Is that a reason to shoot a person in the head, especially someone injured???
Life is simple... ya shoot someone in the head for nada reason, it is a war crime and warrants death.
The Iraqi people will handle this if accurate.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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A "wounded" person (who could and should still be considered dangerous)..."surrounded by opposing forces". He had not at that point become a POW.Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??
In all wars since the Geneva Convention...all combatants violate the Geneva Convention. War is a dirty affair and is not prone to being governed by the writings on a piece of paper but is prone to the base emotions of human nature. It is not a fucking movie...it is real...with real emotions.Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??
I would never be your defender...but would happily serve as your executioner. You are an admitted enemy of my country...thus my enemy.I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.
I wore the uniform for 12 years and engaged in three different combat operations...in three different AO's...what is your claim to having any knowledge about the military?Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Sad but true.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Sgt. Speedbump would be rationalising genocide if it was being carried out by U.S. troops.Comment
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But you can/should take him prisoner, no?Originally posted by MrPheer
Its war people.
If the guy wasnt surrendering, hes still a target. You dont leave enemy soldiers alive so they can shoot you in the back.
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Joe Citizen:
Mmm.. sure looks that way! :-)Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.
It's like having a conversation with a corpse - the response is predictable.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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"Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right...". Never have I made such a statement. In addition it is civilians that our forces are engaged with...not a military force.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Well to rehash this:Originally posted by Webby
xenophobic:
That brings us back to the issue - what the fuck is the US doing in Iraq??
What was the reason for invading and occupying Iraq?
The United States believed:
Iraq possessed chemical/biological weapons and was a threat to national security.
Saddam Hussein would assist terrorists in their acquisition of said weapons.
"Intelligence" implied all of the above, but the intelligence was incorrect.
However, these facts were found out after Iraq was stripped of it's :
President, Military, Police and utilities
and so no one can take back the above mentioned mistake.Last edited by xenophobic; 11-15-2004, 05:31 PM.Comment
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Sheesh... how DUMB did I assume??? Not enough yet!Originally posted by MrPheer
Its war people.
If the guy wasnt surrendering, hes still a target. You dont leave enemy soldiers alive so they can shoot you in the back.
MrPheer...... you claim it is war. Who declared that??? I can't remember Iraq declaring war on the US? Did I miss something?
Second... when a person is lying wounded and surrounded by US troops, why would you assume he is some target to execute?
Who claimed, at least at this moment, that he was some enemy who intended to shoot anyone in the back?? You have some hotline to Iraq??
Sorry if it does not suit ya to have some wounded guy crawling up to some soldier and "not surrendering". Where the fuck do you get these weird ideas????
Na.. don't tell me... it's clear I could not possibly understand that level of logic.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Ollie North is saying that the guy that shot the wounded person was himself wounded from an engagement a few hours prior and some of his people were killed. Ollie North pointed out that his unit has been engaged in Fullaja for eight days with little to no rest. There will be an article 32 investigation and the truth will come out...possibly a Courts Martial...but either way this guys military career is probably over...at the least...because it was caught on tape.Last edited by theking; 11-15-2004, 05:43 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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I just don't believe that King is real. Nobody can be THAT dumb. If George Bush told him that the earth was flat he would believe and defend it either, so just let him.Last edited by maxxxxx; 11-15-2004, 05:50 PM.
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xenophobic:
Well... yeah...The United States believed:
Iraq possessed chemical/biological weapons and was a threat to national security.
Saddam Hussein would assist terrorists in their acquisition of said weapons.
Some call it a total fuckup. Not only that, but one of the biggest fuckups in the last 100 years when any country could claim they went to war on the basis of, not one myth, but at least two.
Now the damage has been done, what's the next move?? I don't doubt the US will pay in whatever way, and pay dearly.
Who knows, but it is depressing to think of this level of utter stupidity that causes so much killing and the creation of some very pissed off people who will clearly be intent in taking revenge and killing still more innocent people.
It is also very sad to think that the people of the US still have nada clue about fuck all in this war and expect to enjoy their lives while others suffer. It is clear they still believe so much of the bullshit they were told, such as WMD and some ties to terrorism.
There is nothing to be said - it is something beyond words and little doubt, there will be/is an appropriate response from other nations, - nevermind any "terrorists" who will come later.
It is also very clear, there is a mental deficiency in the US Admin when they cannot learn, almost anything, from previous history.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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FYI...I am not a fan of President Bush...and did not vote for him either time...so your post could not be anymore wrong. NowOriginally posted by maxxxxx
I just don't believe that King is real. Nobody can be THAT dumb. If George Bush told him that the earth was flat he would believe and defend it either, so just let him.
kid.
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You ask all this bullshit, yet you make your judgements from a few seconds of video. I'm willing to make a large wager that the only combat you've ever seen in your life has just been on video.Originally posted by Webby
Sheesh... how DUMB did I assume??? Not enough yet!
MrPheer...... you claim it is war. Who declared that??? I can't remember Iraq declaring war on the US? Did I miss something?
Second... when a person is lying wounded and surrounded by US troops, why would you assume he is some target to execute?
Who claimed, at least at this moment, that he was some enemy who intended to shoot anyone in the back?? You have some hotline to Iraq??
Sorry if it does not suit ya to have some wounded guy crawling up to some soldier and "not surrendering". Where the fuck do you get these weird ideas????
Na.. don't tell me... it's clear I could not possibly understand that level of logic.
I get my 'weird ideas' from my own experiences in combat.
Small units, or squad sized groups of soldiers just dont take prisoners. Prisoners have to be properly processed and guarded. These guys clearly do not have time for that. War is not about convenience. And regardless if Iraq didnt declare war, war is what it going on. Did you miss the reports of all the dead soldiers being flown home over the past year?Comment
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As opposed to arresting him and putting him in a POW camp? What that kid did was kill a non-dangerous individual, that's called murder.Originally posted by MrPheer
Its war people.
If the guy wasnt surrendering, hes still a target. You dont leave enemy soldiers alive so they can shoot you in the back.Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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If you served in the military, you might be familiar with the Geneva Conventions. If were you, you would know that killing an unarmed individual (civilian or military, it doesn't matter) rather then taking them prisoner is a war crime.Originally posted by MrPheer
Talking to you people that are whining about this and havent been in combat yourselves, is like talking to my sister's fuckin kids.
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You don't know if I've been in combat or not. Just FYI, I did 2 tours over seas in ONW, which was combat operations. Would you like a little salt with those words you're about to eat?Originally posted by MrPheer
Talking to you people that are whining about this and havent been in combat yourselves, is like talking to my sister's fuckin kids.
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What the "kid did" was kill a wounded person that should have been considered as being dangerous...and in fact could have been dangerous. In addition...according to Ollie North the shooters unit has been engaged for eight days with little or no rest and he himself had been wounded in an engagement a matter of hours before he shot the wounded person...and some of his unit had been killed.Originally posted by CET
As opposed to arresting him and putting him in a POW camp? What that kid did was kill a non-dangerous individual, that's called murder.
There will be an Article 32 investigation...and the truth of what actually happened and why will be made public.
Now liar.
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theKing:
DUH?? Is "Ollie North" some person of relevance??Ollie North is saying that the guy that shot the wounded person was himself wounded from an engagement a few hours prior and some of his people were killed. Ollie North pointed out that his unit has been engaged in Fullaja for eight days with little to no rest. There will be an article 32 investigation and the truth will come out...possibly a Courts Martial...but either way this guys military career is probably over...at the least...because it was caught on tape.
Was he the person who shot a wounded guy in the head?
Who cares if that soldier was wounded in some earlier "engagement" or others were killed? Don't use some weak excuse about US soldiers being killed when there have been, and still continuing, far more being killed on the "other side", including plenty innocent people.
Who cares about "article 32" or some Court Martial? If the issue is accurate as it "appears" to be - it is clearly above any US law.
Of course his military career is over - he is too embarassing for the Pentagon it no question his career needs terminating. He is unfit as a soldier in any army.
Other than that, tho remains to be seen based on reality, he guy needs to be charged with a war crime.
Why do idiots in the US always trot out such a load of bullshit as some defense?? This disease stems from the top down to trash like King.
It is sure time to get outta lala land and learn at least some truths of the real world.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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So I assume you would have absolutely no problem with the summary executions of injured or captured US troops?Originally posted by MrPheer
You do not leave an enemy soldier to shoot you in the back. Its war, its not a sunday picnic. If you havent experienced it, then you just have no fucking clue. Its not like what you see in the movies.
After all, the same rules apply to the enemy.
That would be fair and just, right?Comment
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What about taking him prisoner as we are supposed to do under the Geneva conventions?Originally posted by pornguy
That is the main reason that the media has no business in there. If you leave that guy there to live and breath and fight another day, he may kill you. If you had a reason to shoot him in the first place. Finish the job with a second bullet.Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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Hey numb nuts..read the articles on it. They WERE prisoners awaiting MEDICAL evacuation.Originally posted by theking
He was not taken prisoner. FYI every war...on all sides...even those that are taken prisioner are frequently killed. More often that not they are killed without taking them prisoner. Usually prisoners are not ever taken by small units (unless ordered to do so) and more often than not soldiers do not prefer to take prisoners as they develop a hatred for the enemy...and/or do not trust the enemy as prisoners.
War is not like war movies.
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You're right, vengence and racism is a good enough reason to break Geneva conventions and act like barbarians. [/sarcasm]Originally posted by Martin
The kid that shot him probably just watched his buddies face shot off and was looking for a little pay back on some sand nigga ass.. Happens all the time.Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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You must not be familiar with this thing called WAR. Ever watch a war movie? They shoot people when they are running away. Whats the difference? Its war! The point is killingOriginally posted by CET
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It is within military law...and an Article 32 investigation will determine the truth of the event. You know...the thing called "due process".Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
Who cares about "article 32" or some Court Martial? If the issue is accurate as it "appears" to be - it is clearly above any US law.
It is you that needs to get out of "lala" Webbyland and realize that yes...there is a real world...of which you clearly do not have an understanding of same.It is sure time to get outta lala land and learn at least some truths of the real world.Last edited by theking; 11-15-2004, 06:14 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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So I can assume the holocaust was okay with you... cos killing's okay, right?Originally posted by detoxed
You must not be familiar with this thing called WAR. Ever watch a war movie? They shoot people when they are running away. Whats the difference? Its war! The point is killingComment
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Link...where it states that they were POW's?Originally posted by Centurion
Hey numb nuts..read the articles on it. They WERE prisoners awaiting MEDICAL evacuation.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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You are tarded aren't you?Originally posted by theking
Link...where it states that they were POW's?
The LINKS have ALL READY been listed in this thread idiot child!
Go back to your bottle & watch some more tv!
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The guy is dogmatic. He starts with a conviction and works backwards to prove or justify it. Nothing you can say will change that. That's what the "ignore" function is for.Originally posted by maxxxxx
I just don't believe that King is real. Nobody can be THAT dumb. If George Bush told him that the earth was flat he would believe and defend it either, so just let him.
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Fuck the Geneva conventions and having any civility, we don't have time to deal with these people. Let's just execute them, even if they are unarmed and wounded. [/sarcasm]Originally posted by MrPheer
You ask all this bullshit, yet you make your judgements from a few seconds of video. I'm willing to make a large wager that the only combat you've ever seen in your life has just been on video.
I get my 'weird ideas' from my own experiences in combat.
Small units, or squad sized groups of soldiers just dont take prisoners. Prisoners have to be properly processed and guarded. These guys clearly do not have time for that. War is not about convenience. And regardless if Iraq didnt declare war, war is what it going on. Did you miss the reports of all the dead soldiers being flown home over the past year?Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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Good point, human life has no value.Originally posted by detoxed
They are in war. They have already shot and killed thousands right? Who gives a fuck!Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts!
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R U for real??Originally posted by theking
Link...where it states that they were POW's?Comment
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Ever hear of the Geneva conventions? If you have enemy combatants that are unarmed, you may not kill them. Especially if they are wounded and awaiting for a medical evacuation. Just saying "it's war" does not justify any attoricty that you find either convenient or fun.Originally posted by detoxed
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