You DEMOCRATS are fucking PATHETIC!!!!!!

EDIT: 50 red/blue states

The whole entire redneck state concept is flawed. If you break it down to counties and then measure the popular vote you will see that its far more diverse.

I 100% expected somebody to say that!

Yeah, sorry - I don't usually crack one liners like that - but I couldn't let it pass me by.

Of course not, politicians are much too smart for that. I'm referring to Michael Moore, Al Franken et al. and mainly the people on GFY. Where did I ever say Edwards or Kerry called people rednecks or criticized their faith? Although the results of the election seem to indicate people knew where they stood despite their silence.

Goes to show how ill informed some folks are in the biz...

Calling me RON?

Ron who?>

Ron Levi?
Ron Caldwell>?



HAhahaha what a riot, though I am sure they are proud of me and I lov em both dearly...

I am neither of em.

But I am glad to have the freedom they don't.

To speak my mind in public without fear of repurcussion's from the sewer's.

Reagan, clueless. Why is that quote in your sig?

LOL!! That is so true at least for most people who don't support bush. It's like:

Democrats: Bush is an idiot!!! Fuck him!!

Republican: Kerry is not qualified for the job. He flip flops too much, etc etc etc

Michael Moore was sitting next to the former Vice President during the Democratic National convention.

If that's the face you want representing the Democratic party, more power to you. Just don't be surprised when you keep on losing.

I prefer to think that the American people are smarter than the above gives them credit for.

EG - that Republicans voted as they did because of Michael Moore or Al Franken. Or that Democrats voted as they did because of them.

Or that 51% of the population voted for Bush because they 'don't like them dang snooty liberals.' Apparently I have a better opinion of the American public than you do.

The nation is divided. Primarily on the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism. Values, shmalues.

But your assumption re: Kerry and Edwards, with no observable evidence to back it up may just prove me wrong.

Exactly.

I did not ever say a thing about Bush voters, or Bush for that matter.

Your entire argument comes from taking one phrase completly out of context and making some big stupid rant over it. This never started with and never included "Bush voters."

Now your just making it up as you go along, its pointless to attempt to speak any reason to you at all.

Unfortunately, Republicans can't actually take the high road on this.

'Dummycrats' 'A vote for Kerry is a vote against God'

Making 'liberal' a virtual curse word.

Should I assume that those people speak for the Republican party as a whole, as you assume morons who simply give 'Bush is an idiot' as their sole arguement speak for the Democratic party?

I actually agree. Kind of like the Religious Right's connection to the Republican party.

Two extreme, rabid sides of the same coin - both damaging and alienating.

PIPA Report: Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program, Supported al Qaeda
Bush Supporters Misperceive World Public as Not Opposed to Iraq War, Favoring Bush Reelection
By: Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA)
Published: Oct 23, 2004
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College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.

Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have exactly opposite perceptions.

These are some of the findings of a new study of the differing perceptions of Bush and Kerry supporters, conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks, based on polls conducted in September and October.

Steven Kull, director of PIPA, comments, ?One of the reasons that Bush supporters have these beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them. Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree.? Eighty-two percent of Bush supporters perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or that Iraq had a major WMD program (19%). Likewise, 75% say that the Bush administration is saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda. Equally large majorities of Kerry supporters hear the Bush administration expressing these views?73% say the Bush administration is saying Iraq had WMD (11% a major program) and 74% that Iraq was substantially supporting al Qaeda.

Steven Kull adds, ?Another reason that Bush supporters may hold to these beliefs is that they have not accepted the idea that it does not matter whether Iraq had WMD or supported al Qaeda. Here too they are in agreement with Kerry supporters.? Asked whether the US should have gone to war with Iraq if US intelligence had concluded that Iraq was not making WMD or providing support to al Qaeda, 58% of Bush supporters said the US should not have, and 61% assume that in this case the President would not have. Kull continues, ?To support the president and to accept that he took the US to war based on mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance, and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about prewar Iraq.?

This tendency of Bush supporters to ignore dissonant information extends to other realms as well. Despite an abundance of evidence?including polls conducted by Gallup International in 38 countries, and more recently by a consortium of leading newspapers in 10 major countries--only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq. Forty-two percent assume that views are evenly divided, and 26% assume that the majority approves. Among Kerry supporters, 74% assume that the majority of the world is opposed.

Similarly, 57% of Bush supporters assume that the majority of people in the world would favor Bush?s reelection; 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred. A recent poll by GlobeScan and PIPA of 35 of the major countries around the world found that in 30, a majority or plurality favored Kerry, while in just 3 Bush was favored. On average, Kerry was preferred more than two to one.

Bush supporters also have numerous misperceptions about Bush?s international policy positions. Majorities incorrectly assume that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues?the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%)?and for addressing the problem of global warming: 51% incorrectly assume he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty. After he denounced the International Criminal Court in the debates, the perception that he favored it dropped from 66%, but still 53% continue to believe that he favors it. An overwhelming 74% incorrectly assumes that he favors including labor and environmental standards in trade agreements. In all these cases, majorities of Bush supporters favor the positions they impute to Bush. Kerry supporters are much more accurate in their perceptions of his positions on these issues.

?The roots of the Bush supporters? resistance to information,? according to Steven Kull, ?very likely lie in the traumatic experience of 9/11 and equally in the near pitch-perfect leadership that President Bush showed in its immediate wake. This appears to have created a powerful bond between Bush and his supporters--and an idealized image of the President that makes it difficult for his supporters to imagine that he could have made incorrect judgments before the war, that world public opinion could be critical of his policies or that the President could hold foreign policy positions that are at odds with his supporters.?

The polls were conducted October 12-18 and September 3-7 and 8-12 with samples of 968, 798 and 959 respondents, respectively. Margins of error were 3.2 to 4% in the first and third surveys and 3.5% on September 3-7. The poll was fielded by Knowledge Networks using its nationwide panel, which is randomly selected from the entire adult population and subsequently provided internet access. For more information about this methodology, go to www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp.

A full report and the questionnaire can be found at www.pipa.org. Funding for this research was provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

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I think one of the biggest reasons why many people think Bush is stupid because every now and then he might studder, say something else by mistake, get tounge tied, etc in his speeches. That can happen to ANYBODY, that doesn't make somebody stupid.

Also, somebody that is "stupid", or should I say has an IQ of 80 or below, wouldn't even be able to be the president. I think anybody who says Bush is stupid, is basically reflecting on themselves with that uneducated statement.

The above post (Peacemakers), though, actually vindicates my position.

Republicans weren't all silly enough to be voting 'agin them liberals' as so much spin would have it.

Instead, they voted on the issues. We can debate whether they were misguided seperately.

But Repubs - stop impugning the intelligence level of your own party with this mantra that they voted 'because of Michael Moore'.

Are you and Rich cousins? You argue in the same circles. Yes, every time someone mentions Bush in a positive light or indicates they voted for him or may support him, you (or one of your ilk) post something along the lines of "shut up, you redneck, Bible thumping, hillbillies". Please explain the context of that to me.

Face it, your arguments have no base. No, it is not intelligent to call people rednecks simply because they voted for or may agree with George W. Bush. Period. You make these ridiculous arguments and then wrap up about how it's pointless to even talk to me because I'm making this up as I go along. Apparently you need a manual to post on GFY; yes I actually use my brain when I post. Anyhow, I gotta go use my new outhouse and rest my little redneck brain. Afterwards, Ma promised to take me out back and hunt up tonight's supper. Yeehaw! All the muskrat we's can eat!

Michael Moore is basically a Democratic Extremeist, going to such lengths to make up a complete fabrication to sway voters is the lowest thing anybody could do.

But apparently, what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

I don't support either end of it - but let's stop painting the picture that the morons who get into mindless 'party bashing' are limited to the Democrats.

I dont think you are laughin right now!


This thread is fucking SAD!!!

I'm not. Never said it was one-sided. If that's the basis of your argument, stop posting.

Fair enough. But where is your criticism of the Religious Right using similar tactics to turn voters against Kerry?

I'd submit that you don't bring it up, because they were useful to your party.

Please read the entire thread, and all of my replies, before resorting to one liners that don't match what's written.

Thats right right folksya read it first on GFY!!!


Michael Moore's influence is right up to par with those Redneck Christians that tend church!

Ok, so quote where I said it was one-sided. All I have said here is that Democrats calling Bush supporters rednecks is counter-productive. Didn't mention anything about name-calling never occurring the other way around. Maybe you should be the one reading. Anyhow, I'm heading out for a bit. I'll check for the quote when I get back.

TARDS

OK, so a little humor ( Hey, no Bush bashing !!! )

She just farted...HAHAHAHA


http://senate-msu.com/

This coming from a guy that takes pictures of his friends burning things.

"College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%)"

blame the media..

The most intelligent post in this thread.

I have to go as well, and I won't be back to this thread.

Read what I posted earlier. My point is that stating only one side of it is the same as saying it's one sided, functionally. I spoke up from a devils-advocate side of things, not on the attack. The constant refrain I see re: Democrats looking down on Republicans needs to be counterbalanced. There is an equal amount of contempt coming from the Republicans, and it is equally counterproductive and alienating.

But I think this is probably a waste of time on everyone's part. No compromise, 'I'm right' - on both sides - is likely inevitable in the current climate, and not likely to change.

I guess it's going to stay 'dummycrats and rednecks' for the next four years. Yay.

Yeah, yeah. Have a good night and beware of rednecks and dummycrats.

First of all, your generalizing and insulting again. This seems to be a pattern of yours, to generalize and insult people you are criticizing for generalizing and insulting those with a difference of opinion. No matter how many ways you spin it, your a hyprocrite plain and simple and that has been my point from post one.

And again your basing your arguments on stuff I never said, I have not mentioned a thing about Bush supporters or voters. Only you have, case in point, your now making it all up as you go along.

Of course I realize no matter how many times I point this out to you, you will come back with some generalizing, insulting comment about how you see some moral clarity us dummycrats are incapable of seeing.

Who are you referring to in this post? Non-Bush voters and Democrats?:

Or this one:

Surely you're not silly enough to suggest that you *only* mean the specific people in those specific threads.

Studies show 9/10 people in the world wanted Bush to lose.

Now I'm sure you say "so what, we're the super power"...

Bush is forcing the American Dollar to all time lows, and Opec right now does all it's oil deals in the US dollar. When they convert to the Euro, which Iraq did before htey were invaded....

It's gonna be 50 dollars a barrel *.1.3 = 65 USD per barrel...

US is in so much trouble and based on Bush's level of corruption and all the failed companies he ran.

I just hope you're ready to learn chinese... at the level of debt the US is rocking, taxes will be at an all-time high.. doubtful before 2008 tho.

You guys just don't get it (republicans). You're fed Bush's image and believe it. Look at the world today, Bush's World.

You may also say "Presidents don't matter", ok if that statement holds.. why not let Kerry be president?

The world knows the election was stolen. Look at NC... all those "voting machine problems" make it to the forefront of the US media, yet anything President related doesn't.

Nice going FCC... let a few republican fucks program these people.

How about when around 2001 gas prices around here in Southern NJ were as low as 89 cents for regular. That was during Bush's administration. But around the end of Clinton's administration gas prices were relatively high like $1.79 for regular, at that time of course. So just blame bush for the high price of Oil, yea Bush controls everything ya might as well blame bush when the stock market goes bad. It's all Bush's fault! You guys sound like a bunch of idiots.

No republicans cried when F9/11 came out? LMFAO

You don't get out much do you?

BTW excellent job on all of those generalizations.

Funny how alot of you jumped on the Bush bandwagon AFTER he won the election