Reason we don't give access to all the stats is it would be crazy. We would have to ad in some of the most crazy tracking ever known to man. I-bill, epoch, ccbill ect all want shit tracked (for internal use) differently. When a programer writes a script to pull stats like most per signup programs we have to code each one differently to pull the stats down. This would be damn near impossible to do.
Now about shaving. How do we make money?
Ok., First off e-mails not all but most programs take the e-mails in the join form and on the site boxes without a 2nd opt in option. They hit submit and it's over with.
Exits (2 and 3+) produce a fucking stupid volume of signups.
We get paid $35 for an exit sale and we paid you $35 for a sale you sent us. Simple trade off. This kills a % of signups that we don't have to worry about.
E-mails sending back to us and others do a huge volume of trade off. Think people can really cancel from those lists? Well I guess they can but they go in the wash list.
Sales in the sites. Sex Shops and Casinos, All I can say is fucking people buy the shit out of it.
Video tapes for that niche, for us this is a major sale. Big dick members buy big dick videos by the fucking truck load. Even other videos.
Penis pill blah stuff, Same deal.
Member goes to cancel we resign them back up at 9.95
They cancel that they get a month free and rebill again at 4.95
They quit again and we give them all sites for a buck or two.
Cancel e-mail has promos to other sites.
Signup e-mail even has fucking promos.
Cross sales on most processors now really help.
A money program banks on the little webmaster. The 10,000 guys sending 30 hits a day from their piss ass site getting pure SE traffic. Gold for us on those exits.
Our own production of traffic which I think most programs do. Our own tgp, se, spam for some people, opt in lists, whatever. Keeping ahead of our webmasters in sales. If webmasters produce 100 sales and I produce 200 sales, I win hands down.
I don't have an exact % but something like 2% of all members forget they have the membership for very long periods of time.
All in all some programs shave, yes. Some don't. Some have to while others don't need to. Bottom line is what are you making.
If you think a money program might be shaving you try a test signup or two. Some programs will ban ya for that so read the terms
I talk with most the major guys in the business and I do think some shave while I think many many other's do not shave. I do know just because one or two sites convert real fucking bad it does not mean they shave. Most the time when we do exit trades with other programs we have to find the niches that do good for us. I can use 10 of X money programs site and their teen site sucks. Put another sites teen site in it's place and it does great. Does not mean they shave just the way traffic works.
2 things I would think. Processor based programs stand the least chance of being able to shave. And programs that have been around for ages which probably don't need to shave now if they ever did as they have a solid system in place and know all the tricks. Even new programs it's real simple math once you kinda have a clue what you are doing.
In my eyes shaving is not the real issue. I'm more worries that them fucks are going to send me my check
Bottom line it's the money that matters.