I hate welfare. Paying farmers NOT to grow crops. WTF is that? They get money NOT to work. Man I should get into farming. EASY MONEY!
-
-
100 peeps that need to remember the phrase:
there but for the grace of god go iI still love everybodyComment
-
shoot! i missed itOriginally posted by titmowse
100 peeps that need to remember the phrase:
there but for the grace of god go iI still love everybodyComment
-
you cant solve a problem in a very liberal state such as welfare. large urban areas such as LA and SF, where most of these familys reside, decide what gets reformed. you think these people are going to vote for smaller checks?Originally posted by titmowse
there are solutions. it's just easier to put band-aids on societal problems.333-765-551Comment
-
The graph:Originally posted by titmowse
that's a different social security. that figure is social security retirement benefits. the people who recieive that pay for it throughout thier lifetimes.
you're confusing ssi with social security retirement.
http://encarta.msn.com/media_4615666..._Spending.html
Their page on "Social Security":
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...curity.html#s7
"The programs associated with Social Security include Old-Age, Survivors?, and Disability Insurance (OASDI); Medicare; Unemployment Compensation; and Supplemental Security Income (SSI)."
I'd say that figure is more than just retirement benefits, although it does indeed include those./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
what happens to the kids of those families that get cut off?Originally posted by titmowse
that's just not true. at least not in texas. not since clinton reformed the welfare system. two years max.333-765-551Comment
-
and i would imagine that the retirement benefits are a very large portion of that figure. medicare is also for the old folks. you wanna put granny on the street too?Originally posted by punkworld
The graph:
http://encarta.msn.com/media_4615666..._Spending.html
Their page on "Social Security":
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...curity.html#s7
"The programs associated with Social Security include Old-Age, Survivors?, and Disability Insurance (OASDI); Medicare; Unemployment Compensation; and Supplemental Security Income (SSI)."
I'd say that figure is more than just retirement benefits, although it does indeed include those.I still love everybodyComment
-
good question. i guess they're shit out of luck. unless you're also confusing child support with welfare. child support is paid by the non-custodial parentOriginally posted by bringer
what happens to the kids of those families that get cut off?I still love everybodyComment
-
Yep, last time I checked the gov't didn't produce sperm.Originally posted by titmowse
good question. let's ask the father of those kids who isn't paying support-uno
icq: 111-914
CrazyBabe.com - porn art
MojoHost - For all your hosting needs, present and future. Tell them I sent ya!Comment
-
so if they arent receiving child support they're just going to die? doubt itOriginally posted by titmowse
good question. i guess they're shit out of luck. unless you're also confusing child support with welfare. child support is paid by the non-custodial parent
the 2 year max is for funds directly for the parent. the child can recieve money until they turn 18333-765-551Comment
-
maybe in california. in texas, the money IS for the kids. it's called Aid to Families With Dependant Children.Originally posted by bringer
so if they arent receiving child support they're just going to die? doubt it
the 2 year max is for funds directly for the parent. the child can recieve money until they turn 18I still love everybodyComment
-
Do you realize that with that argumentation, you are actually saying that it's my responsibility to get her to continue to work for a living?Originally posted by titmowse
then maybe you need to give her some encouragement to keep trying.
it's pretty damned devastating to feel like there is no hope.
Feelings are not an excuse for not providing for yourself. There's a simple concept of causality: in order for there to be money, someone needs to work for it. Now, that's either she herself, or taxpayers for her.
Why should the taxpayers who continue to work in jobs they may hate even more than she hates hers be expected to work for her?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
what i'm saying is you should have some fucking compassion. evidently you have no idea how it feels to have no hope, nowhere to turn and nobody in your cornerOriginally posted by punkworld
Do you realize that with that argumentation, you are actually saying that it's my responsibility to get her to continue to work for a living?
Feelings are not an excuse for not providing for yourself. There's a simple concept of causality: in order for there to be money, someone needs to work for it. Now, that's either she herself, or taxpayers for her.
Why should the taxpayers who continue to work in jobs they may hate even more than she hates hers be expected to work for her?I still love everybodyComment
-
because telling irresponsible people they can get free money will get you votes. votes are the most important thing to people who have the power to make changeOriginally posted by punkworld
Do you realize that with that argumentation, you are actually saying that it's my responsibility to get her to continue to work for a living?
Feelings are not an excuse for not providing for yourself. There's a simple concept of causality: in order for there to be money, someone needs to work for it. Now, that's either she herself, or taxpayers for her.
Why should the taxpayers who continue to work in jobs they may hate even more than she hates hers be expected to work for her?333-765-551Comment
-
tell you what? how about you gather up all your identification papers, visit the welfare office and apply? then come back and tell me how easy it is.Originally posted by bringer
because telling irresponsible people they can get free money will get you votes. votes are the most important thing to people who have the power to make changeI still love everybodyComment
-
Originally posted by titmowse
and i would imagine that the retirement benefits are a very large portion of that figure. medicare is also for the old folks. you wanna put granny on the street too?
What are you talking about? The guy interpreted the stats in the wrong way, I corrected him, you corrected me correcting him, I corrected you correcting me correcting him, and now all of a sudden I want to put granny in the street? Since when does merely wanting to use stats correctly imply a hatred towards old people?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
okay. i'll calm down.Originally posted by punkworld
What are you talking about? The guy interpreted the stats in the wrong way, I corrected him, you corrected me correcting him, I corrected you correcting me correcting him, and now all of a sudden I want to put granny in the street? Since when does merely wanting to use stats correctly imply a hatred towards old people?
i'm sure you're a perfectly lovely human being. i feel passionately about this issue as you can tell.
i will back awayI still love everybodyComment
-
the most difficult part of getting welfare in california is what to do while you're waiting in lineOriginally posted by titmowse
tell you what? how about you gather up all your identification papers, visit the welfare office and apply? then come back and tell me how easy it is.
i personally KNOW people who work in the welfare office and they all tell me the same thing. they have to take the application at face value and issue funds without a challenge. that would be discrimination targeting the poor. again, CALIFORNIA. break into my house and cut your hand on the window YOU broke and you'll win a lawsuit for 100,000 against me333-765-551Comment
-
well it ain't that way in texas. and i'm done with this topicOriginally posted by bringer
the most difficult part of getting welfare in california is what to do while you're waiting in line
i personally KNOW people who work in the welfare office and they all tell me the same thing. they have to take the application at face value and issue funds without a challenge. that would be discrimination targeting the poor. again, CALIFORNIA. break into my house and cut your hand on the window YOU broke and you'll win a lawsuit for 100,000 against meI still love everybodyComment
-
I have compassion for those who deserve it. I have compassion for those who struggle but keep on trying. I have compassion for those who are down on their luck because of causes out of their own power.Originally posted by titmowse
what i'm saying is you should have some fucking compassion. evidently you have no idea how it feels to have no hope, nowhere to turn and nobody in your corner
But you're right, I have no compassion for people who say "I've had enough of work, I'm now gonna quit working and simply let you pay my bills"./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
texas sounds greatOriginally posted by titmowse
well it ain't that way in texas. and i'm done with this topic
ill move there
edit: you know much about tyler, TX? ive heard good things about itLast edited by bringer; 11-09-2004, 05:02 PM.333-765-551Comment
-
okay. i'm still done with this topic ;)Originally posted by punkworld
I have compassion for those who deserve it. I have compassion for those who struggle but keep on trying. I have compassion for those who are down on their luck because of causes out of their own power.
But you're right, I have no compassion for people who say "I've had enough of work, I'm now gonna quit working and simply let you pay my bills".I still love everybodyComment
-
not too much. it's pretty churchy from what i recall. tyler is way far away from where i amOriginally posted by bringer
texas sounds great
ill move there
edit: you know much about tyler, TX? ive heard good things about it
and stop making me post in this topic
Last edited by titmowse; 11-09-2004, 05:05 PM.I still love everybodyComment
-
I'm pretty sure I'm not a perfectly lovely human being.Originally posted by titmowse
okay. i'll calm down.
i'm sure you're a perfectly lovely human being. i feel passionately about this issue as you can tell.
i will back away
After all, the right wing calls me a socialist, politically correct, liberal, communist hippie, while the left wing calls me an intolerant, right wing, nazist, capitalistic neo-liberal who apparently even wants to put granny in the street.
/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
now you're just trolling for hugs. if i hug you will you feel better?Originally posted by punkworld
I'm pretty sure I'm not a perfectly lovely human being.
After all, the right wing calls me a socialist, politically correct, liberal, communist hippie, while the left wing calls me an intolerant, right wing, nazist, capitalistic neo-liberal who apparently even wants to put granny in the street.
I still love everybodyComment
-
Most definitelyOriginally posted by titmowse
now you're just trolling for hugs. if i hug you will you feel better?
/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
~hug~Originally posted by punkworld
Most definitely
I still love everybodyComment
-
Thanks. Now I can sleep happy tonightOriginally posted by titmowse
~hug~
/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
-
You've got it all wrong.Originally posted by punkworld
I don't assume that those on welfare are lazy, I know that many on welfare are lazy. I have no real problem with society helping out those who really need help, I have a problem with those who are able to work but refuse the opportunity.
Welfare isn't supposed to be a lifestyle, but for many it is. That is what I have a problem with - the tax money of hardworking people being wasted on moochers.
I'll make a generous assumption that you know a grand total of 6 people on welfare......to make blanket statements against all people who receive government assistance based on the small number of people you know is as ignorant as saying most black people are drug dealers or most white people are in the KKK.
Also, welfare isn't a lifestyle for anyone.....not for any longer than 2 years anyways. That's the limit.
The arguments you're making now are the arguments people were making in the 92 election.....they were fixed by the welfare reform act.
Find something else to bitch aboutsig too bigComment
-
So you noticed that post, but not my post about me living in the Netherlands? In case you don't know, that's a country in Europe (or, as some of you Americans know it, Yurp). Social security is big here, really big.Originally posted by Lenny2
You've got it all wrong.
I'll make a generous assumption that you know a grand total of 6 people on welfare......to make blanket statements against all people who receive government assistance based on the small number of people you know is as ignorant as saying most black people are drug dealers or most white people are in the KKK.
Also, welfare isn't a lifestyle for anyone.....not for any longer than 2 years anyways. That's the limit.
The arguments you're making now are the arguments people were making in the 92 election.....they were fixed by the welfare reform act.
Find something else to bitch about
You claim that I make blanket statements about "all" people on welfare, yet quote the very post in which I use the word "most" - italicized for emphasis. There is a distinct difference between those two words.
Now, I know many, many more people on welfare than you seem to think - unfortunately. Anyone living in my country does.
Over 10% of single people without children are receiving welfare in this country. And that's not counting the 1 million people who are getting disability benefits... in a country of 16 milllion, where the working force consists of just 8 million people.
If you lived here, you'd be bitching about it too./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
Comment