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  • Rantan
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2004
    • 714
    #1

    How Legal is this??

    So i got my senior pictures taken a few days ago. They were taken on a Nokad 13MP camera, real nice camera, anyways, they upload them to a computer and touch them up, then pic through the best ones, and have them printed, like normal photos. I was talking to the photographer, he was pretty new to the whole digital thing, but i asked him if i could get a copy of the raw images, he said it was possible but he wasnt sure.

    Today i go in to pick them out and buy my set, they keep the photos on their computer at the shop for 30 days, and on another server for another 90 days, i asked the women dealing with me if i could have all my raw shots on a disk, or just send them to my gmail account. she was confused, so she asked someone else.

    Come to find out YES, they will give you your photos on a disk, for 25 buck an image, to buy the right to a picture of myself!

    Im annoyed by this, i want MY pictures of ME! if they're jsut going to get rid of them in 90 days anyway..why cant they just be nice and give me my pictures...
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    • candyflip
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      • Jul 2002
      • 43073
      #2
      How do you think they make their money?

      Spend you some brain.
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        • candyflip
          Carpe Visio
          • Jul 2002
          • 43073
          #3
          Also...don't you usually have your senior photos taken during your Junior year of High School?

          You know...when you're 16 or 17 years old?

          Spend you some brain.
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            • Morgan
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • May 2002
              • 10520
              #4
              photographers get paid to take pictures of you. Why dont you just use your own camera on a timer if you dont want to pay someone to take your picture?
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                • 4Pics
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 7952
                  #5
                  i think since you are paying them to take your picture they own the rights to the picture.

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                    • Steen2
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                      • Feb 2004
                      • 7662
                      #6
                      I must be simple because I don't get it 100%.
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                        • Furious_Male
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 16884
                          #7
                          They want to upsell the packages to you. Its been like that for as long as I can remember.
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                            • CamChicks
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                              • Sep 2003
                              • 1552
                              #8
                              Copyright always belongs to the photographer by default. (unless you have a contract with them that gaurantees otherwise) If I take a picture of you, I can do whatever I want with it, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's the basis of tabloid journalism, and a lot of porn too. If you are the subject, you're basically just an object; no different than if the photographer took a photo of a fruit bowl or a sunset.

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                                • Rantan
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 714
                                  #9
                                  *sigh*..how about if i bitched enough and made a deal, i get my pictures on CD, but if i ever wanted them printed, as in put on paper, ever, id have to come to them for the printing... cause i think deleting them after 90 days sucks...
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                                    • Rantan
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                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 714
                                      #10
                                      also, it's my senior year in high school...so im getting them just in time!
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                                        • studio
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 1095
                                          #11
                                          CamChicks

                                          your statement is not totally correct... The copyright to the photos is shared equally by photographer and poser. Unless the photo is taken in a public area. Like a park, or on the street. That is why, when we shoot girls in porn they must sign the release. If they didn't they would still have legal rights to the photos.

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                                            • Rantan
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 714
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by studio
                                              CamChicks

                                              your statement is not totally correct... The copyright to the photos is shared equally by photographer and poser. Unless the photo is taken in a public area. Like a park, or on the street. That is why, when we shoot girls in porn they must sign the release. If they didn't they would still have legal rights to the photos.
                                              well i wasn't flapping my penis around in public, or in the studio, and i never signed a damn thing, would i still have the right to ask for copys of them?
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                                                • Rantan
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                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                  • 714
                                                  #13
                                                  no way to go about getting these pics?
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                                                    • WickedVenus
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                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                      • 3877
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by candyflip
                                                      Also...don't you usually have your senior photos taken during your Junior year of High School?

                                                      You know...when you're 16 or 17 years old?
                                                      I got mine my senior yerar, but I was 17. Hmmm someones a little young here
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                                                        • jacked
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                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 11019
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by candyflip
                                                          Also...don't you usually have your senior photos taken during your Junior year of High School?

                                                          You know...when you're 16 or 17 years old?
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                                                            • Kain
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 50
                                                              #16
                                                              Holy Crap! Are we HONESTLY talking about Senior pictures on GFY?

                                                              I know I THOUGHT alot of the crap on here was juvinile, but um, I like, expressly FORBID, BEG, PLEAD with people under 18 to stay away from my web sites.

                                                              But here, I am intermixing with them and did not realize.

                                                              Damn,

                                                              1. I am a schmuck for not realizing earlier that there are probably kids on here.

                                                              2. Geeze, Can we at least PRETEND we are all adult webmasters. So no talk about senior pictures, first periods, or homeroom?


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                                                                • pornguy
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 62910
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Yes it is.


                                                                  Just deal with it, or kiss the sales girl., and maybe she will get the disk for you.
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                                                                    • wedouglas
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                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                      • 5921
                                                                      #18
                                                                      thats how photo places work. proofs cost money.

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                                                                        • Dynamix
                                                                          G F Y not
                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 2910
                                                                          #19
                                                                          100% legal. how do you think photographers of nipple-slip's and celeb nudes get away with keeping photos?

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                                                                            • Magg
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                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                              • 4467
                                                                              #20
                                                                              HACK THE GIBSON!!!

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                                                                                • tony299
                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 57021
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                  How do you think they make their money?
                                                                                  Thank you lol

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                                                                                    • CamChicks
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                      • 1552
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by studio
                                                                                      CamChicks

                                                                                      your statement is not totally correct... The copyright to the photos is shared equally by photographer and poser. Unless the photo is taken in a public area. Like a park, or on the street. That is why, when we shoot girls in porn they must sign the release. If they didn't they would still have legal rights to the photos.
                                                                                      Sorry it is really not "shared" by default. Unless under contract, the person who creates a work is the owner of the copyright. Photographers are no different from writers or musicians under this law. We have models sign releases to strengthen our position, prove there was no other agreement, and protect against side-claims such as distress caused by the use of those images, etc. But all those photographers who shot the Tara Reid boob-slip are free to sell those pictures and transfer copyright to whomever they wish without her permission and without compensating her.

                                                                                      Of course, none of this will stop you from being sued, and every individual case may be open to interpretation by a judge or jury based on the details.
                                                                                      Last edited by CamChicks; 11-08-2004, 08:37 PM.

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                                                                                        • Rantan
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                          • 714
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                                                          thats how photo places work. proofs cost money.
                                                                                          proofs? im talking about raw 6mp pictures on a server somewhere, i figure, if they're just gunna delete them, they should be cool and gimmie!
                                                                                          www.jesusjohnson.com

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                                                                                            • Rantan
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                              • 714
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Kain
                                                                                              Holy Crap! Are we HONESTLY talking about Senior pictures on GFY?

                                                                                              I know I THOUGHT alot of the crap on here was juvinile, but um, I like, expressly FORBID, BEG, PLEAD with people under 18 to stay away from my web sites.

                                                                                              But here, I am intermixing with them and did not realize.

                                                                                              Damn,

                                                                                              1. I am a schmuck for not realizing earlier that there are probably kids on here.

                                                                                              2. Geeze, Can we at least PRETEND we are all adult webmasters. So no talk about senior pictures, first periods, or homeroom?
                                                                                              Im 18 years old
                                                                                              www.jesusjohnson.com

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                                                                                                • CamChicks
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                                  • 1552
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  btw - I'm not pretending to be a lawyer. Just summarizing the advice I got. I don't believe the original poster has any claim to the copyright in this situation.

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                                                                                                    • reynold
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 51271
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rantan
                                                                                                      So i got my senior pictures taken a few days ago. They were taken on a Nokad 13MP camera, real nice camera, anyways, they upload them to a computer and touch them up, then pic through the best ones, and have them printed, like normal photos. I was talking to the photographer, he was pretty new to the whole digital thing, but i asked him if i could get a copy of the raw images, he said it was possible but he wasnt sure.

                                                                                                      Today i go in to pick them out and buy my set, they keep the photos on their computer at the shop for 30 days, and on another server for another 90 days, i asked the women dealing with me if i could have all my raw shots on a disk, or just send them to my gmail account. she was confused, so she asked someone else.

                                                                                                      Come to find out YES, they will give you your photos on a disk, for 25 buck an image, to buy the right to a picture of myself!

                                                                                                      Im annoyed by this, i want MY pictures of ME! if they're jsut going to get rid of them in 90 days anyway..why cant they just be nice and give me my pictures...
                                                                                                      No wonder they're earning money.

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                                                                                                        • sickkittens
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                          • 25100
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                          Also...don't you usually have your senior photos taken during your Junior year of High School?

                                                                                                          You know...when you're 16 or 17 years old?
                                                                                                          That's what I was thinking. Maybe he stayed back a few years?

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                                                                                                            • sickkittens
                                                                                                              I am a meat popsicle.
                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                              • 25100
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by CamChicks
                                                                                                              btw - I'm not pretending to be a lawyer. Just summarizing the advice I got. I don't believe the original poster has any claim to the copyright in this situation.
                                                                                                              He shouldn't. If he did, every student could just ask for their copies for free and not pay for the studio pictures.
                                                                                                              Last edited by sickkittens; 11-09-2004, 07:10 AM.

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                                                                                                                • Dawgy
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                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                  • 5856
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rantan
                                                                                                                  Im 18 years old
                                                                                                                  then you should update your webpage

                                                                                                                  the revolution is coming.

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                                                                                                                    • JMM
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                      • 1755
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CamChicks
                                                                                                                      Sorry it is really not "shared" by default. Unless under contract, the person who creates a work is the owner of the copyright. Photographers are no different from writers or musicians under this law. We have models sign releases to strengthen our position, prove there was no other agreement, and protect against side-claims such as distress caused by the use of those images, etc. But all those photographers who shot the Tara Reid boob-slip are free to sell those pictures and transfer copyright to whomever they wish without her permission and without compensating her.

                                                                                                                      Of course, none of this will stop you from being sued, and every individual case may be open to interpretation by a judge or jury based on the details.
                                                                                                                      You both are confused.

                                                                                                                      By law, absent of any work for hire agreement or other contractual arrangement, the photographer is the copyright holder of any images that they produce. There is NO shared ownership.

                                                                                                                      However, that does not give the photographer the right to do whatever they want with the pictures. Without a signed release, the photographer cannot publish the images or use them in any commercial endeavor.

                                                                                                                      You get the models to sign a release NOT to prove there was no other agreement, but rather to RELEASE their likeness to the copyright holder for the purpose spelled out in the release. Ownership of ones likeness is a right protected by law. Your likeness is what you look like AND/OR any identifying marks, such as tattoos, scars, etc.

                                                                                                                      The Tara Reid situation is an exception covered by the doctrine of fair use. She is a public figure whose exposure of her bare breast is a newsworthy event. In addition, I believe she actually does give consent by nature of the photography area at the party she was attending.

                                                                                                                      Hope that clears it up.

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                                                                                                                        • jwerd
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                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                          • 1953
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                                                          then you should update your webpage
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                                                                                                                            • LadyMischief
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                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                              • 18135
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Copyright is a strange issue. If I take a picture of someone, that picture is mine, regardless of what that person wants/thinks. If I want to USE the image, however, I need a release giving me permission of that person to use their image.


                                                                                                                              However, if you HIRE someone to take the pictures, and it's a paid service, technically the rights to the images belong to whoever contracted the photographer for the images. It could be interesting, but I doubt you'll get the raw images without paying for them.

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                                                                                                                                • Dawgy
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 5856
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by lamerhooD
                                                                                                                                  GFY reminds me of the presidential election, mud slinging and all
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                                                                                                                                    • tranza
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                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 57559
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rantan
                                                                                                                                      Im 18 years old
                                                                                                                                      Yeah right. And btw: what are the porn sites that you run?

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