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Baddog, it is a Republic but it is ALSO a democracy.
But speaking of "how many times does it have to be said" issues, Michael Moore was NOT the one who said the vote was rigged. The title of this thread is misleading, although I'm sure Moore probably said it to someone somewhere.
"I think the supreme court and the constitution are credible. you keep deciding which foriegn journalist or talk show host you want to believe."
So it said somewhere in the Constitution that George W. Bush won Florida? Man, you have to give it up for our forefathers... they had incredible insight! LOL
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typical liberal.Originally posted by codymc12
Re: that CNN article. Bush said:
"Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman," Bush said. "If activist judges insist on re-defining marriage by court order, the only alternative will be the constitutional process. We must do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."
Sanctity definition: The quality of being holy.
Yeah, liberals concern over the Religious Right's infiltration of the Republican party is ENTIRELY unfounded.
when the truth shuts you down just yell "look over there"
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as I said in my first point, this type of argument is dismissed by intelligent people.Originally posted by Connor
So it said somewhere in the Constitution that George W. Bush won Florida? Man, you have to give it up for our forefathers... they had incredible insight! LOL
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I am amazed by conservatives who maintain that the Religious Right is not becoming a dominant force in the Republican party. Or who do not see this as a threat to America in general. Let's take a President openly speaking about the 'sanctity of marriage' (calling it, basically, a holy-founded institution) as an example.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
CNn was showing Bay Buchanan and Jerry Falwell defending the Repblican Party the other day.
I think we know which direction they are headed in.
On a side note.
I was looking through DVDs at the store yesterday, did you know Bush has a religious DVD out?
"His faith will inspire you"
sure they arent religious freaks, their leader is putting out jesus freak DVDs - deny it all you want folks, the proof is in the news and Jerry Falwell defending the Republican "Moral Crusade"
too funny
In 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled:
"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State'."
In 1992:
"When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some." Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun in the Lee v. Weisman ruling, 1992.
The Lemon test, established by the Supreme Court in 1971:
"To be constitutional, a law must: have a secular purpose, and
be neutral towards religion - neither hindering nor advancing it, and not result in excessive entanglements between the government and religion"
Justice O'Connor created this criteria: a law is unconstitutional if it favors one religion over another in a way that makes some people feel like outsiders and others feel like insiders.
So long as the President makes statements as he did in that article, he gives creedence to the idea that he favors violating the Supreme court's rulings from 1947 forward, in order to further a religious agenda.
But yeah, us 'liberals' really don't have a leg to stand on in our suspicions...Comment
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also marketing his religious video as "alternative to fahrenheit"
hahah
http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID49069...ite-House.aspx
and what is the title?
FAITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE
what were we saying about religion? ;)
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I went down a side road for a moment... though not entirely disrelated since you are the one who brought up how liberals view of the 'Religious Right's' influence was in essence, misguided.Originally posted by 12clicks
typical liberal.
when the truth shuts you down just yell "look over there"
I was attempting to gently show you that you are living in a fantasy land.
I never said once in this thread that the election was stolen. I said that holding up investigation of alleged voter fraud to ridicule is anti-democracy, and that I factually imagine Bush and Rove would agree.
Typical Republican. When someone makes a valid point, yell "typical liberal", and laugh.
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i love the last line of this
Not since the days of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln has a president put so much stock in his Christian faith and prayer life for making decisions and leading the United States in its hour of crisis. According to BBC correspondent Justin Webb: "Nobody spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush. The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night. It's not uncommon to see White House functionaries hurrying down corridors carrying Bibles."
This program will examine the extraordinary faith and prayer life of President George W. Bush, and how it impacts his personal life and his decisions as the leader of the free world. See how his faith has been unshakeable in dealing with the 9/11 terrorist attack, fighting al-Qaeda, ridding Iraq of the Saddam Hussein regime, rooting out terrorists in Afghanistan, and how his religious beliefs bring personal peace and clarity in a time of terrorism and chaos across the world.
According to Newsweek magazine, "this presidency is the most resolutely faith-based in modern times - an enterprise founded, supported and guided by trust in the temporal and spiritual power of God."
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I would contest that. You have to remember that Kerry received more votes than anyone ever elected president. Apparently there were enough new Republican voters to counter that.Originally posted by 12clicks
wrong.
the liberals went out and signed up plenty of new voters. the republicans did not match anywhere near what the dems did..Comment
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i take that back, the next line of that is even better!
"from the barrom to the oval office"
BUAHAHAHAHAHA
This special also explores President Bush's boldness in witnessing and proclaiming his faith to world leaders, and examines his Christian appointees and the Presidential Prayer Team that uplifts him in intercessory prayer. Learn about George W. Bush's faith journey from the barroom to the Oval office. See how the power of faith can change a life, build a family and shape the destiny of a nation. His faith will inspire you! DVD or VHS FORMAT 70 Minutes. Normal retail is $14.95 ... RFC SPECIAL JUST $12.95
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Yep, no substance to our conspiracy theory about the Religious Right's parasitic hold on the Republican party. No substance at all.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i love the last line of this
Not since the days of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln has a president put so much stock in his Christian faith and prayer life for making decisions and leading the United States in its hour of crisis. According to BBC correspondent Justin Webb: "Nobody spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush. The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night. It's not uncommon to see White House functionaries hurrying down corridors carrying Bibles."
This program will examine the extraordinary faith and prayer life of President George W. Bush, and how it impacts his personal life and his decisions as the leader of the free world. See how his faith has been unshakeable in dealing with the 9/11 terrorist attack, fighting al-Qaeda, ridding Iraq of the Saddam Hussein regime, rooting out terrorists in Afghanistan, and how his religious beliefs bring personal peace and clarity in a time of terrorism and chaos across the world.
According to Newsweek magazine, "this presidency is the most resolutely faith-based in modern times - an enterprise founded, supported and guided by trust in the temporal and spiritual power of God."
We're just a bunch of whiney liberals, who just want our pot legalized and couldn't possibly have concern about upholding the constitution this nation was founded on. Oh yeah, and don't forget: we don't carry about National Security, and have no understanding of fiscal responsibility, because you only become a Republican after you mature and grow out of being a Democrat.Comment
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Thats pretty fucked up right therehatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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ridiculing someone because they have a belief in god is silly.Originally posted by codymc12
I went down a side road for a moment... though not entirely disrelated since you are the one who brought up how liberals view of the 'Religious Right's' influence was in essence, misguided.
I was attempting to gently show you that you are living in a fantasy land.
imagining that 56million people who voted for Bush are religious wingnuts is silly.
not learning from this election just how silly, is silly.
haha, too many "sillys"I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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yep, thats pretty much the vibe you get listening to liberals talk.Originally posted by codymc12
Yep, no substance to our conspiracy theory about the Religious Right's parasitic hold on the Republican party. No substance at all.
We're just a bunch of whiney liberals, who just want our pot legalized and couldn't possibly have concern about upholding the constitution this nation was founded on. Oh yeah, and don't forget: we don't carry about National Security, and have no understanding of fiscal responsibility, because you only become a Republican after you mature and grow out of being a Democrat.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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"as I said in my first point, this type of argument is dismissed by intelligent people."
Haha... and you must not think the people here at GFY are very intelligent if you think your attempts at manipulation are working. ;) Your tactics are so third grade, 12clicks. Have a good day.
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Whoa - that's your party's fear tactic, not mine.Originally posted by 12clicks
ridiculing someone because they have a belief in god is silly.
imagining that 56million people who voted for Bush are religious wingnuts is silly.
not learning from this election just how silly, is silly.
haha, too many "sillys"
I personally believe in God, and don't consider a belief in him to be silly in the slightest.
I vehemently oppose legislation of those beliefs. Something the religious right is demonstrably for.
Additionally, I have never stated that the 59 million people who voted for Bush are religious wignuts. I have too many Republican friends to think that.
Bush, however, is who was being voted for - and he IS a right wing religious wing nut, openly interested in using the power of his office to further the agenda of the Religious Right. He is the man voted into office - not the large majority of Republicans who voted for whatever issue was important to them (which was their right). And this is a focal area for him - per him!
The fact that you would say this is evidence to me of Republican party spin (all democrats look down on religion). The same as Democratic left wingers that call all Republican voters toothless born agains with no brain of their own.
I'll put it this way - if Kerry had said "I will try to make abortion illegal" I would have voted for Nader.
I have no problem with Religion. I have a big problem with it determining policy, or being used as a guide to amend the constitution of the United States.
Is that 'silly'?Last edited by codymc12; 11-08-2004, 12:36 PM.Comment
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WrongOriginally posted by Dalai lama
Everyone wanted Kerry ( in Europe )
Did you say Pimp My Sexlife?
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yes and no.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Thats pretty fucked up right there
its exactly as I predicted. its easy to get college kids to register to vote and make big talk about voting, quite another to get them to the polls.
same with the underclass making up the other large percentage of the liberal electorate. Its easy to go to their house and register them, quite another to get them off the couch.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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please show us the laws proposed or passed by the president in his 4 long years that make you think this.Originally posted by codymc12
Bush, however, is who was being voted for - and he IS a right wing religious wing nut, openly interested in using the power of his office to further the agenda of the Religious Right. He is the man voted into office - not the large majority of Republicans who voted for whatever issue was important to them (which was their right). And this is a focal area for him - per him!
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I have no problem with Religion. I have a big problem with it determining policy, or being used as a guide to amend the constitution of the United States.
Is that 'silly'?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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good quote
George W. Bush on Drugs : Jun 1, 2003
Turned from alcoholism by power of prayer
In September 2002, Bush invited five religious leaders-three Christian, one Jewish, one Muslim-to meet with him in the Oval Office. "You know," he said, "I had a drinking problem. Right now I should be in a bar in Texas, not the Oval Office. There is only one reason that I am in the Oval Office and not in a bar. I found faith. I found God. I am here because of the power of prayer."
http://www.issues2000.org/News_School_Prayer.htm
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he did sing the little anti-abortion thingOriginally posted by 12clicks
please show us the laws proposed or passed by the president in his 4 long years that make you think this.
http://washington.news.designerz.com...ith-women.html
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california voted yes for stem cell, the pres is against it, why again?
survey says,... religion.
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his "faith-based initiatives" are religious in nature no?
http://pewforum.org/faith-based-initiatives/
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http://talkleft.com/new_archives/002983.html
Bush Tries to Exempt Religious Groups From Discrimination Laws
Remember Bush's State of the Union speech in which he promised huge dollars for drug treatment -- provided by religious groups? Or his "faith-based" initiative in 2000 that mercifully died? Well, he's not giving up. But he's delusional if he thinks his new plan will get through Congress.
Bush is trying to get Congress to exempt religious groups from adhering to anti-discrimination laws on hiring policies. In other words, he is seeking to allow religious groups to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation and religion when hiring.
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/bush.faith/
"I welcome faith to help solve the nation's deepest problems," President Bush told a convention of religious broadcasters last week.
i am glad we will all be safe now.
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Proposing a constitutional ban on gay marriage would certainly fit the bill, IMO.Originally posted by 12clicks
please show us the laws proposed or passed by the president in his 4 long years that make you think this.
Let me amend that a little. IF, let's say... HIV had been found to be 'Gay Only' and was an airborne disease, and was infecting non Gay individuals, and the Pres wanted to pass a law banning Gay Marriage as a health risk to the Nation - I might or might not be for it or against it. That would, at least, be approaching the purview of the government.
He, however, wants this done to preserve the 'sanctity of marriage' - by definition tied to religion, and simply not his job.Last edited by codymc12; 11-08-2004, 12:55 PM.Comment
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http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20030522.html
There is no question that President Bush has placed religion front and center in his Administration. Recent press coverage would seem to indicate that this is a new approach - one that is specific to this Republican Administration, and that is part of a conspiracy of fundamentalists to gain political power. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
Virtually all of President Bush's initiatives, when it comes to religion, were presaged by Clinton Administration policies and attitudes. Indeed, a strong case can be made that Clinton set the stage, and Bush is doing no more than following in his footsteps.
That shouldn't surprise anyone. It's very likely that Bush's successor will do the same. There is little in the culture to change this course - except the Constitution and its separation of church and state. But sadly, the Constitution alone is rarely enough to stop any politician from enacting his chosen agenda, religious or not.
not biased
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Very true and i can see your theory to a point, but look at those numbers , its like each and every one was the exact opposite, its almost as if the machines got the numbers backwardsOriginally posted by 12clicks
yes and no.
its exactly as I predicted. its easy to get college kids to register to vote and make big talk about voting, quite another to get them to the polls.
same with the underclass making up the other large percentage of the liberal electorate. Its easy to go to their house and register them, quite another to get them off the couch.
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As rousing as this has been (and it has been) I have to leave.Originally posted by 12clicks
yep, thats pretty much the vibe you get listening to liberals talk.
But in the spirit of keepings things light, I wanted to respond to the above.
you vote stealing, gay hating fascist.
For the literal minded, yes, I am joking...
Later, all.Comment
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again we have the misguided extreme left grasping at straws.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
he did sing the little anti-abortion thing
http://washington.news.designerz.com...ith-women.html
you're talking about banning partial birth abortions. this is not a religious issue.
its whether you believe that you can pull a baby out of a woman feet first and kill it.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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blah blah blah, label me this label me that,.
You ignore all the links and proof and grasp at straws yourself.
out of all the relighious based things he has done you choose that one?
anyway, i bet you voted Barry GOldwater in 1964, your party hasnt changed much.
you people were against civil rights in 64 and you are against gays having rights today.
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I know, its shoking but remember.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Very true and i can see your theory to a point, but look at those numbers , its like each and every one was the exact opposite, its almost as if the machines got the numbers backwards
the people who went out to poor areas and signed up democratic type voters were motivated to register everyone they could. those registered had no motivation to go to the polls and vote.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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it does look bad, but if you look at how those counties voted in 2000 it was the same direction Bush over Gore.. So it seems in this example it actually is democrats voting for Bush (unless that computer fucked it up in 2000 also)..Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Very true and i can see your theory to a point, but look at those numbers , its like each and every one was the exact opposite, its almost as if the machines got the numbers backwards
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Ashcroft spends 8k on cloth to cover statue
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...oft-breast.htm
surely this is not religious in any way
hahaha
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I am glad that they aren't letting him backOriginally posted by Fletch XXX
Ashcroft spends 8k on cloth to cover statue
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...oft-breast.htm
surely this is not religious in any way
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banning partial birth abortion and faith based initiatives?Originally posted by Fletch XXX
blah blah blah, label me this label me that,.
You ignore all the links and proof and grasp at straws yourself.
out of all the relighious based things he has done you choose that one?
anyway, i bet you voted Barry GOldwater in 1964, your party hasnt changed much.
you people were against civil rights in 64 and you are against gays having rights today.
this is all you have?
this is exactly what I'm talking about. once you get past the liberal screaming and bore down to the facts, you don't have a case.
Thats why more people voted for Bush this election than for anyone else, ever.
oh, and you should check your civil rights facts before you embarrass yourself.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Bush is never wrong.
he claimed we were not going to have any casualties in Iraq
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of the U.S. Christian Coalition said Tuesday he told President George W. Bush before the invasion of Iraq that he should prepare Americans for the likelihood of casualties, but the president told him, "We're not going to have any casualties."
Pat Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, said he had that conversation with the president in Nashville, Tennessee, before the March 2003 invasion U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. He described Bush in the meeting as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."
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It's also why more people voted against Bush than anyone esle, ever etc. blah, whatever.Originally posted by 12clicks
banning partial birth abortion and faith based initiatives?
this is all you have?
this is exactly what I'm talking about. once you get past the liberal screaming and bore down to the facts, you don't have a case.
Thats why more people voted for Bush this election than for anyone else, ever.
oh, and you should check your civil rights facts before you embarrass yourself.
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Bush is never wrong.
he claimed we were not going to have any casualties in Iraq
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of the U.S. Christian Coalition said Tuesday he told President George W. Bush before the invasion of Iraq that he should prepare Americans for the likelihood of casualties, but the president told him, "We're not going to have any casualties."
Pat Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, said he had that conversation with the president in Nashville, Tennessee, before the March 2003 invasion U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. He described Bush in the meeting as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."
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forgot the linkOriginally posted by stocktrader23
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1020-05.htm
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Originally posted by sacX
it does look bad, but if you look at how those counties voted in 2000 it was the same direction Bush over Gore.. So it seems in this example it actually is democrats voting for Bush (unless that computer fucked it up in 2000 also).. well it does seem awfully freaky coincidence that every registered democrat appeared to vote for a republican and every republican voted for a democrat
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Nahhhhh nothing fishy about that. Especially since it's only one type of vote scanning system it happened on.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
well it does seem awfully freaky coincidence that every registered democrat appeared to vote for a republican and every republican voted for a democrat
Wheeeeeeeee
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Some would say Karl Rove & company perfected "look over there!" this year.Originally posted by 12clicks
typical liberal.
when the truth shuts you down just yell "look over there"
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heheOriginally posted by mardigras
Some would say Karl Rove & company perfected "look over there!" this year.
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No, those machines were the only ones that got it right, the rest are wrong.Originally posted by stocktrader23
Nahhhhh nothing fishy about that. Especially since it's only one type of vote scanning system it happened on.
Wheeeeeeeee
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YOU BUSH BASHING GFY MORONS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTHComment
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