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11-07-2004, 10:06 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush will renew a quest in his second term for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage as essential to a "hopeful and decent" society, his top political aide said on Sunday.

Why is Bush even bringing this up? 1/4 of all the states already have banned it and I'm quite sure MANY more states will do so in 2005, 2006, and 2007. By the 2008 election this shouldn't even be an issue since it will have been settled by the VAST majority of states. Yep Bush is a UNITER isn't he.
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11-07-2004, 10:23 AM

Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they damn please.

More intrusive government power mongers wanting to place their moral values on everyone else.

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11-07-2004, 10:31 AM

Fortunately it takes all 50 states to pass a constitutional amendment. I can't see the whole U.S. being THAT bigoted.

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11-07-2004, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Dagwolf
Fortunately it takes all 50 states to pass a constitutional amendment. I can't see the whole U.S. being THAT bigoted.

3/4 actually. That would be 34.
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11-07-2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by GatorB
3/4 actually. That would be 34.

thought it was 36 i could be wrong

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11-07-2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by GatorB
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush will renew a quest in his second term for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage as essential to a "hopeful and decent" society, his top political aide said on Sunday.

Why is Bush even bringing this up? 1/4 of all the states already have banned it and I'm quite sure MANY more states will do so in 2005, 2006, and 2007. By the 2008 election this shouldn't even be an issue since it will have been settled by the VAST majority of states. Yep Bush is a UNITER isn't he.

did he say ?

Bush says indecent society is gays fault.

I don't think so

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11-07-2004, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Dagwolf
Fortunately it takes all 50 states to pass a constitutional amendment. I can't see the whole U.S. being THAT bigoted.

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11-07-2004, 10:37 AM

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Fortunately it takes all 50 states to pass a constitutional amendment. I can't see the whole U.S. being THAT bigoted.

It also take a vote to put someone in office, and now 2 times in a row he has won, and people are trying to figure out how.

I think that he can do it with no problem!

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11-07-2004, 10:37 AM

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did he say ?

Bush says indecent society is gays fault.

I don't think so

Um he wants gay marriage BANNED in order to have a DECENT society. You can't see what he is saying about gays?

If he said he wanted to ban interracial marriage to keep society decent I'm quite sure you have ZERO problem seeing the racism in that statement.
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11-07-2004, 10:38 AM

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thought it was 36 i could be wrong

Nope 34.
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11-07-2004, 10:38 AM

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3/4 actually. That would be 34.

3/4 of 50 is 37.5... ?

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11-07-2004, 10:38 AM

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11-07-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by KRL
Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they damn please.

More intrusive government power mongers wanting to place their moral values on everyone else.

i might think this and you might also but most of the US does not. They just DON't

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11-07-2004, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

It's 38 states.
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11-07-2004, 10:42 AM

The compasionate conservative believes that the government can regulate morality and that gay people are not entitled to the same rights as non gays. He encourages marriage for non gays but denies that gays have any rights.
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11-07-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by jimmyf
i might think this and you might also but most of the US does not. They just DON't

Point is marriage is a STATES issue. Why REPUBLICAN Sof all people are for letting the FEDERAL goverment get involved in this is beyond me. 1000's of dead confederates are rolling in their graves over thier living southern brethern allowing the federal government take over thier lives more and more.
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11-07-2004, 10:42 AM

Just trying to pass off the blame of the problems of this country when everybody knows that he's the problem...

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11-07-2004, 10:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ion#Amendments

Article Five
Article Five describes the process of amending the Constitution. It provides for two methods of amendment ? either two-thirds of the state legislatures can request a convention for the purpose of considering amendments, or a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress can pass them. After this step, all proposed amendments are sent to the states, three-fourths of whose legislatures or conventions must ratify them before the proposal can become a part of the Constitution. Article Five also sets limits on the ability to amend the Constitution, although these limits are extremely broad.

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11-07-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by GatorB
Point is marriage is a STATES issue. Why REPUBLICAN Sof all people are for letting the FEDERAL goverment get involved in this is beyond me. 1000's of dead confederates are rolling in their graves over thier living southern brethern allowing the federal government take over thier lives more and more.

well I really don't think the rest of the country was ready for what the Massachusetts supreme court did.
They fucked up and in more ways than one.

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11-07-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by jimmyf
i might think this and you might also but most of the US does not. They just DON't

Havent you figured out by now that people think what they are told to think?
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11-07-2004, 10:51 AM

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Just trying to pass off the blame of the problems of this country when everybody knows that he's the problem...

who's he ??

I don't have a problem

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11-07-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by KRL
Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they damn please.

More intrusive government power mongers wanting to place their moral values on everyone else.

Except thier own family.... Right KRL?? You meant to add that right?

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11-07-2004, 10:54 AM

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Havent you figured out by now that people think what they are told to think?

I know I don't, can't speak for others , They couldn't even learn me that in the Army, wasn't for trying though.

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11-07-2004, 10:55 AM

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Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they damn please.

Really! So I should be able to marry my brother? Father? Son? Somone who's already married? Interesting!
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11-07-2004, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by GatorB
Point is marriage is a STATES issue.

I agree. And in all 11 states where this was on the ballot, gay marriages were voted down, including in Oregon, an historically liberal state.

Here in GA they asked if we wanted an ammendment to the GA constitution to prevent gay marriages and I voted that I didn't want one. I couldn't care less if they get married.

In the US at this point and time, marriage is a joke. If they truly want to keep marriages stronger the states will get rid of no fault divorces, IMHO.
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11-07-2004, 11:11 AM

can someone please explain to me why he doesnt care if states allow civil unions, but he wants a constitutional ammendment to ban same-sex marriage? why is he against one and not the other, if he is so anti-gay and so for "decent society" ... if gay people are the scourge of the nation, why not ban both and imprison gay people?

bush's logic doesnt make sense to me, and it has nothing to do with me being gay. i seriously do not understand why he would seek to allow one, and not the other.

i also dont understand why he say she wants judges who strictly interpret the constitution, when at the same time he wants to destroy a very part of it that guarantees equal rights to every person.

if someone can explain i will gladly listen, but i just do not see the logic in either of these two actions and statements by bush.

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11-07-2004, 12:19 PM

Bush could care less...
All he's wanting to do is suck up to the bible thumpers..
Get their support, then when he starts more bullshit he'll have them on his side for whatever support he needs..
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11-07-2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by jimmyf
did he say ?

Bush says indecent society is gays fault.

I don't think so

Gator likes to make shit up as he goes along.
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11-07-2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Peaches
Really! So I should be able to marry my brother? Father? Son? Somone who's already married? Interesting!

How ironic that someone from the north hills of Georgia would bring that argument to the table.

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11-07-2004, 12:25 PM

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11-07-2004, 12:26 PM

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Nope 34.

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11-07-2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they damn please.

What if that other person doesn't want to marry me?

Can I marry my cat?
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11-07-2004, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by GatorB
Point is marriage is a STATES issue.

and it still is
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11-07-2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Dagwolf
Fortunately it takes all 50 states to pass a constitutional amendment. I can't see the whole U.S. being THAT bigoted.

But if a state votes against the admendment, wouldn't they become a target of " liberation " ????

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11-07-2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Peaches
Really! So I should be able to marry my brother? Father? Son? Somone who's already married? Interesting!

1. That's a slippery slope.

2. Why not? So long as everyone involved are consenting adults, who's business is it but theirs?

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11-07-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Dawgy
can someone please explain to me why he doesnt care if states allow civil unions, but he wants a constitutional ammendment to ban same-sex marriage? why is he against one and not the other, if he is so anti-gay and so for "decent society" ... if gay people are the scourge of the nation, why not ban both and imprison gay people?

I think it has something to do with "seperate but equal".

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11-07-2004, 12:52 PM

This board is so wrong on what america is all about and what's going on. First off America votes so the Goverment does not push any views on to us. We dont want same sex marriage and if you dont see why I'll name a few things for you. "In God We Trust" for starters. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children. Straight marriage will be less meaningful. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay when it's wrong! etc etc If you want to be gay be gay but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!
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11-07-2004, 12:59 PM

Open the ovens ....

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11-07-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Identified
Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children.

oh give me a fucking break.
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11-07-2004, 01:36 PM

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Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children.

Will they go out and adopt gay kids or something?
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11-07-2004, 01:40 PM

It's pretty sad that half the country has to wait for the poor rednecks to join the 21st century. You can't force your view of morality on other people, that's sort of what your country was founded on.
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11-07-2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Identified

Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children.

lmfao

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Straight marriage will be less meaningful.

lmfao

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Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay when it's wrong!

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11-07-2004, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Dawgy
\if gay people are the scourge of the nation, why not ban both and imprison gay people?

because Karl Rove can't play Machiavelli in jail?

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11-07-2004, 01:58 PM

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11-07-2004, 03:37 PM

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This board is so wrong on what america is all about and what's going on. First off America votes so the Goverment does not push any views on to us.

We live in a republic, not a democracy, otherwise we would have a tyranny of the majority. Popular opinions are not necessarily right. Slavery was very popular, so was segregation just to name a couple of popular opinions that were wrong.

Originally posted by Identified
We dont want same sex marriage and if you dont see why I'll name a few things for you. "In God We Trust" for starters.

What does that phrase have to do with anything. That was a popular slogan that was thrown onto our money during the McCarthy era as a way of combatting those "godless commies".

Originally posted by Identified
bviously, gay parents will raise gay children.

Prove it. I've never seen any study that says that.

Originally posted by Identified
Straight marriage will be less meaningful.

How so? It seems to me that Hollywood and straight people in general have made marriage meaningless on their own.

Originally posted by Identified
Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay when it's wrong!

How will gay marriage encourage people to be gay? That just doesn't make any sense. If you're arguing that being gay is a choice, then try it. If it's a choice anyone can make, then try to convince yourself that you would like to take a cock in your mouth.

Also, why is wrong with being gay? I don't know of anything that's wrong with it, except for something mentioned in a 3,000 year old book about how we should throw rocks at gay people. Of course, this same book also says that we should throw rocks at people for wearing cloth that is a blend of cotton and wool.

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etc etc If you want to be gay be gay but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!

Let's do an exercise where I trade the word "gay" for other words.

"If you want to be straight be straight but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!"

"If you want to be black be black but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!"

"If you want to be christian be christian but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!"

It sounds pretty stupid now, doesn't it?

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11-07-2004, 03:49 PM

CET good response.

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11-07-2004, 03:53 PM

I still find it shocking when someone with those ideas turns out to be in our industry. Against gay marriage? okay, i think you are wrong but whatever but thinking that gayness spreads like a virus or something? I have a hard time beliving you are a webmaster.
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11-07-2004, 03:53 PM

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<rant><rant> when it's wrong! etc etc

bigot.

see CET's response.

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11-07-2004, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Identified
This board is so wrong on what america is all about and what's going on. First off America votes so the Goverment does not push any views on to us. We dont want same sex marriage and if you dont see why I'll name a few things for you. "In God We Trust" for starters. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children. Straight marriage will be less meaningful. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay when it's wrong! etc etc If you want to be gay be gay but in the privacy of your own home dont bring that shit out in society!

Hopefully this is a parody on the part of this particular poster. It is NOT however, a parody of the views of those pushing this agenda.

Get ready for a true culture war in America.

By the way, those saying 'the people have spoken' re: conservative issues need to really, really, check their math. 51% of the voters spoke. That means 1% less than half of the nation does not necessarily endorse or espouse a neo conservative agenda. In essence, the country is divided in half.

By the way, you better HOPE they don't get a constitutional convention called on ANYTHING. This is generally opposed by anyone with a brain, as special interests would utilize a constitutional convention to get more than just this particular amendment reviewed. Do you really want people adding things to the constitution?

Is it a 'rough draft'?
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11-07-2004, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by codymc12
Hopefully this is a parody on the part of this particular poster. It is NOT however, a parody of the views of those pushing this agenda.

Get ready for a true culture war in America.

By the way, those saying 'the people have spoken' re: conservative issues need to really, really, check their math. 51% of the voters spoke. That means 1% less than half of the nation does not necessarily endorse or espouse a neo conservative agenda. In essence, the country is divided in half.

By the way, you better HOPE they don't get a constitutional convention called on ANYTHING. This is generally opposed by anyone with a brain, as special interests would utilize a constitutional convention to get more than just this particular amendment reviewed. Do you really want people adding things to the constitution?

s it a 'rough draft'?

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