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  • Probono
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2002
    • 2731
    #151
    If you have money behind you you have a greater opportunity than those who do not. In America if you are a WASP you have a better shot than if you are are black; unless of course you have money.

    This society is based on money. Yes you can make it on sweat alone but that requires intellegence nd perserverance.

    You must consider the average person has a 100 IQ by definition and little to no money behind them. That average person does not have the same opportunity as the Bush twins, of Chelsea Clinton etc.

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      • Joe Citizen
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2003
        • 4552
        #152
        Originally posted by bringer
        if they didnt have an equal opportunity to make it in america escape would be impossible.
        Do you even THINK about what you type?

        Are you 16?

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          • BRISK
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Feb 2003
            • 12240
            #153
            Originally posted by media
            I totally agree with this..

            In my opinion they should have something of a tax optimization form that you fill out that way your taxation dollars can goto what you specify they goto..

            For instantce, you get a 10 category selection of tax categories like schools, weapons, community funding, etc...

            You would have to pick a minimum of 5 items, and specify the % you want to goto each...

            That way you could customize what your money goes to.. so many people have so many beliefs it would probably spread it across the board to a good amount with correct priorities..

            Just my opinion though.. Could be idiocy..
            Wouldn't that make electing representatives somewhat pointless though?
            I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
            I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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              • Joe Citizen
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2003
                • 4552
                #154
                Originally posted by Probono
                If you have money behind you you have a greater opportunity than those who do not. In America if you are a WASP you have a better shot than if you are are black; unless of course you have money.

                This society is based on money. Yes you can make it on sweat alone but that requires intellegence nd perserverance.

                You must consider the average person has a 100 IQ by definition and little to no money behind them. That average person does not have the same opportunity as the Bush twins, of Chelsea Clinton etc.
                Great post!

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                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                    best designer on GFY
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30307
                    #155
                    switch "weapons" with "Defense" and it would be number one LOL!

                    America's red are so fucken scared out of there minds right now and the fuckers are only killin themselves.

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                      • Libertine
                        sex dwarf
                        • May 2002
                        • 17860
                        #156
                        Originally posted by bringer
                        how so? because people put their trust in people that dont have their best interests at heart? just because jessie jackson says a poor black child who has no father figure cant make it doesnt make it true.
                        Opportunity consists of more than just physical freedom. If, like you say, people won't even try if their environment tells them they have no chance, society is to blame if those people don't achieve much, rather than those people themselves.

                        An example:
                        If a child grows up getting told by his parents every day that he's a worthless piece of shit and that he will never amount to anything, and you accept that such things do in fact have an influence on how people behave in society, that child has less opportunity than other children.

                        Physically, people in the 19th century had just as much opportunity of creating a microwave as the people of today. However, they lacked the proper (scientific) beliefs to create one. (knowledge is actually a belief system, combining an extensive set of beliefs about the world)

                        Likewise, if someone grows up without the proper (personal) beliefs to achieve things, he may have the physical opportunity, but his chances of achievement are still extremely slim.
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                          • Wolfy
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 3574
                            #157
                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                            Tell me were you parents supportive... or were they crack addicts who beat you and told you you were worthless?

                            Were you encouraged to make something of your life or were you thrown out of the house at 13?

                            Was your mother a prostitute?

                            Was your dad a drug dealer or a thief?
                            Dad was abusive mentally and physically, a drug dealer, in fact that is how I started out in life. I spent 9 months in jail for dealing dope and got out and started doing the same thing - I almost got busted again and made a change, I left California.

                            I've been supporting myself since I was 15, buying my own food and clothes.

                            No, my mom was not a prostitute or a drug addict.

                            Now, does it really matter? Every person is equal to the sum of his or her own choices. Every person has the ability to make choices in their life, you can't blame shit on your parents. Of course you can, but if you're that type of person you are probably doing so in the welfare line waiting for a handout instead of beating the streets looking for a job.

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                              • media
                                Confirmed Moneymaker
                                • Apr 2002
                                • 9853
                                #158
                                Originally posted by BRISK
                                Wouldn't that make electing representatives somewhat pointless though?
                                Could very well.. But it would also eliminate some of the overpaid politicians who like to line their pockets with our money..
                                I'm here for the violence!

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                                  • Joe Citizen
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 4552
                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by Wolfy
                                    Now, does it really matter? Every person is equal to the sum of his or her own choices. Every person has the ability to make choices in their life, you can't blame shit on your parents. Of course you can, but if you're that type of person you are probably doing so in the welfare line waiting for a handout instead of beating the streets looking for a job.
                                    Sometimes, mostly in the case of children, people are the sum of someone else's choices.

                                    Congratulations on getting to where you are but you are the exception rather than the rule... and your achievements are not the result of 'equal opportunity' but your intelligence and determination.

                                    Not everyone is as lucky.

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                                      • bringer
                                        i have man boobies
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 13082
                                        #160
                                        This society is based on money. Yes you can make it on sweat alone but that requires intellegence nd perserverance.
                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                        Great post!
                                        you're hopeless. this is what ive been saying the whole time, but you chose not to read what i said and instead attack me. idiot
                                        i guess from reading this you conclude that anyone who isnt white and born into a rich family isnt intellegant enough to make it therefore equal oppertunity doesnt exist. you cant agree that its possible and then say it doesnt exist.
                                        333-765-551

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                                          • Wolfy
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2003
                                            • 3574
                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by punkworld
                                            Opportunity consists of more than just physical freedom. If, like you say, people won't even try if their environment tells them they have no chance, society is to blame if those people don't achieve much, rather than those people themselves.

                                            An example:
                                            If a child grows up getting told by his parents every day that he's a worthless piece of shit and that he will never amount to anything, and you accept that such things do in fact have an influence on how people behave in society, that child has less opportunity than other children.

                                            Physically, people in the 19th century had just as much opportunity of creating a microwave as the people of today. However, they lacked the proper (scientific) beliefs to create one. (knowledge is actually a belief system, combining an extensive set of beliefs about the world)

                                            Likewise, if someone grows up without the proper (personal) beliefs to achieve things, he may have the physical opportunity, but his chances of achievement are still extremely slim.
                                            Did you see Dumb and Dumber? When Jim Carey asks "So what are the chances of a girl like you and a guy like me..."

                                            She says "1 ina million".
                                            his response?
                                            "So you're saying there's a chance. YES!"

                                            There is plenty of encouragement out there, I got none of mine from home. All my encouragement came from looking at the world and asking myself, "What is stopping me from getting that?" Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I don't think I am that special. Everyone has choices, and nobody but the individual is responsible for their choices but them. Period.

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                                              • Joe Citizen
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 4552
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by bringer
                                                you're hopeless. this is what ive been saying the whole time, but you chose not to read what i said and instead attack me. idiot
                                                i guess from reading this you conclude that anyone who isnt white and born into a rich family isnt intellegant enough to make it therefore equal oppertunity doesnt exist. you cant agree that its possible and then say it doesnt exist.
                                                No you're the one that's hopeless.

                                                The idea of 'equal oportunity' is as ludicrous as 'liberty and justice for all'.

                                                Are you incapable of distinguishing between reality and propaganda?

                                                The more you use the term 'equal opportunity' the more of an idiot you look.

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                                                  • bringer
                                                    i have man boobies
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 13082
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by Wolfy
                                                    Did you see Dumb and Dumber? When Jim Carey asks "So what are the chances of a girl like you and a guy like me..."

                                                    She says "1 ina million".
                                                    his response?
                                                    "So you're saying there's a chance. YES!"

                                                    There is plenty of encouragement out there, I got none of mine from home. All my encouragement came from looking at the world and asking myself, "What is stopping me from getting that?" Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I don't think I am that special. Everyone has choices, and nobody but the individual is responsible for their choices but them. Period.
                                                    thats the point. joe thinks oppertunity doesnt exist unless its given to you on a silver platter. anyone who makes it must be a fluke because it doesnt fall into his views on america.
                                                    333-765-551

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                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 30307
                                                        #164
                                                        Fuck it, your all hopeless.

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                                                          • Ad3pt
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 476
                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by bringer
                                                            you're hopeless. this is what ive been saying the whole time, but you chose not to read what i said and instead attack me. idiot
                                                            i guess from reading this you conclude that anyone who isnt white and born into a rich family isnt intellegant enough to make it therefore equal oppertunity doesnt exist. you cant agree that its possible and then say it doesnt exist.
                                                            Joe gets owned again.
                                                            Don't look here for the joke. It's in your pants.

                                                            South O - World Class surfer destination since 2001.

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                                                              • Libertine
                                                                sex dwarf
                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 17860
                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by Wolfy
                                                                Did you see Dumb and Dumber? When Jim Carey asks "So what are the chances of a girl like you and a guy like me..."

                                                                She says "1 ina million".
                                                                his response?
                                                                "So you're saying there's a chance. YES!"

                                                                There is plenty of encouragement out there, I got none of mine from home. All my encouragement came from looking at the world and asking myself, "What is stopping me from getting that?" Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I don't think I am that special. Everyone has choices, and nobody but the individual is responsible for their choices but them. Period.
                                                                That movie is called "Dumb and Dumber" for a reason. A really small chance is exactly that: a really small chance. Think about that concept for a while.
                                                                Every has choices, and the outcome of choices is determined by who someone is. Who someone is is largely determined by things like upbringing, culture, etc.

                                                                People may be responsible for their own choices, but society has the responsibility to see how its very structure influences the choices people make.
                                                                /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                  • Joe Citizen
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                    • 4552
                                                                    #167
                                                                    Originally posted by bringer
                                                                    thats the point. joe thinks oppertunity doesnt exist unless its given to you on a silver platter. anyone who makes it must be a fluke because it doesnt fall into his views on america.
                                                                    I'M NOT SAYING OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T EXIST I'M SAYING EQUAL OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T EXIST! CAN YOU PLEASE START FUCKING LISTENING!

                                                                    Thank you.

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                                                                      • CET
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 2754
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                        I don't want to speak about your book with any authority. I don't care about the book, actually. I am not planning on reading it, simply because I currently have a list of several hundreds of books I still have to read.

                                                                        What I am responding to are your statements. You use a random number from a random book as an authorative source, yet fail to give a rough outline of the research method used, and your only comments on the definitions used imply a major flaw in that method.


                                                                        I can get almost any random statistical number I want on any subject whatsoever from some book written by some professor somewhere in the world. For example, this week, I read in a book by an American professor in sociology that my country is racially almost entirely homogenous.
                                                                        Then if you have intention of reading it, and don't care what it says, then stop trying to debunk it without knowing anything about it. Also, since you say you give 2 shits about stats, then stop posting your own stats, even though they don't contradict anything I've already posted.
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                                                                          • Ad3pt
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 476
                                                                            #169
                                                                            Joe Citizen is the king of selfownage
                                                                            Don't look here for the joke. It's in your pants.

                                                                            South O - World Class surfer destination since 2001.

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                                                                              • CET
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 2754
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                The line has to be drawn somewhere, yes. However, drawing that line at a certain amount of money without any other specifications is fairly stupid.

                                                                                First of all, relative wealth is a much more important factor in determining mobility within society (and that was the context in which you quoted the statistic) than absolute wealth, for obvious reasons. So, a better line would be "the richest 10%", or something of the sort.
                                                                                Secondly, determining absolute wealth by a set amount of money instead of inflation-corrected purchasing power is positively bizarre.


                                                                                If you're gonna use statistics as arguments, you should be able to explain and justify them as well.


                                                                                I think the problem isn't that I'm being willfully ignorant, but that you're being unintentionally ignorant.
                                                                                You said you don't care, so why are you STILL trying to debunk a book you've never read? STFU already.
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                                                                                "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 4552
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                                                                    Joe Citizen is the king of selfownage
                                                                                    Isn't Mommy calling you to dinner?

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                                                                                      • CET
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                        • 2754
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                        Are those the only factors that would determine that Australia has a bad history of racism?
                                                                                        Of course not, but Australia isn't as notorious, nor do I think their racial history is as old and ingrained into your society as it is in Amercian society. My guess is that you didn't hold aboriginies in slavery for 200 years and then give them another 100 years of legislated second class citizenship.
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                                                                                        Fitness and nutrition writer, and UNIX/Linux Sys Ad in training

                                                                                        "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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                                                                                          • BRISK
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                            • 12240
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by bringer
                                                                                            thats the point. joe thinks oppertunity doesnt exist unless its given to you on a silver platter. anyone who makes it must be a fluke because it doesnt fall into his views on america.
                                                                                            I think his argument is that "equal opportunity" doesn't exist. I think he's said that opportunity exists, it's just not equal.
                                                                                            I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                                                            I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                              • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                • 4552
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                I think his argument is that "equal opportunity" doesn't exist. I think he's said that opportunity exists, it's just not equal.
                                                                                                Damn... maybe size 7 text did help.

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                                                                                                  • BRISK
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                    • 12240
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                    Of course not, but Australia isn't as notorious, nor do I think their racial history is as old and ingrained into your society as it is in Amercian society. My guess is that you didn't hold aboriginies in slavery for 200 years and then give them another 100 years of legislated second class citizenship.
                                                                                                    My only point was that Australia has a bad history of racism. I didn't make any comments on whether it was more or less racist than America.
                                                                                                    I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                                                                    I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                                      • Libertine
                                                                                                        sex dwarf
                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                        • 17860
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                        Then if you have intention of reading it, and don't care what it says, then stop trying to debunk it without knowing anything about it. Also, since you say you give 2 shits about stats, then stop posting your own stats, even though they don't contradict anything I've already posted.
                                                                                                        What I was doing was showing how your statistic without more information couldn't be used as an argument, not attacking the actual book. The statistic may be true and useful, or it may be complete crap - we'll never know, because you were too lazy to actually transform it from a random number into a full-fledged argument by providing information on the research method and definitions used.

                                                                                                        I'm not saying I don't care about stats, I'm saying I don't care about stats without any further information about "little" things like research method and such.

                                                                                                        The stats I posted were meant to give an example of how stats implying the exact opposite can also be found quite easily.


                                                                                                        Honestly, I'm shocked I actually had to explain all this.
                                                                                                        /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                            • 4552
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                            Of course not, but Australia isn't as notorious, nor do I think their racial history is as old and ingrained into your society as it is in Amercian society. My guess is that you didn't hold aboriginies in slavery for 200 years and then give them another 100 years of legislated second class citizenship.
                                                                                                            You are right here.

                                                                                                            Our aborigines are the equivalent of your native Americans.

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                                                                                                              • BRISK
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                • 12240
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                You are right here.

                                                                                                                Our aborigines are the equivalent of your native Americans.
                                                                                                                "Our aborigines"?

                                                                                                                Do you own them? Are they your property now?

                                                                                                                RACIST!!!!


                                                                                                                just kidding (this thread needs humor)
                                                                                                                I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                                                                                I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                    • 4552
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                                    88% of all individuals in America worth over $10 million are first generation wealthy.
                                                                                                                    I think that anyone with net assets of over $1 million is wealthy.

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                                                                                                                      • Libertine
                                                                                                                        sex dwarf
                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                        • 17860
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                                        You said you don't care, so why are you STILL trying to debunk a book you've never read? STFU already.
                                                                                                                        Idiot. I'm not debunking the book, but your statements.
                                                                                                                        /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                            • 4552
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                            "Our aborigines"?

                                                                                                                            Do you own them? Are they your property now?

                                                                                                                            RACIST!!!!


                                                                                                                            just kidding (this thread needs humor)
                                                                                                                            I's got me an abo for chores that needs to be done 'round the house!

                                                                                                                            He calls me 'massa'

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                                                                                                                              • Probono
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                • 2731
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                You are right here.

                                                                                                                                Our aborigines are the equivalent of your native Americans.
                                                                                                                                Australia did hunt and slaughter the aboriginal people. I do not know the current status, do aborigines have the rights and opportunities of the decendent of a British prisoner?

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                                                                                                                                  • bringer
                                                                                                                                    i have man boobies
                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 13082
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                    I think that anyone with net assets of over $1 million is wealthy.
                                                                                                                                    i agree with that
                                                                                                                                    333-765-551

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                                                                                                                                      • Wolfy
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 3574
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                                                                        That movie is called "Dumb and Dumber" for a reason. A really small chance is exactly that: a really small chance. Think about that concept for a while.
                                                                                                                                        Every has choices, and the outcome of choices is determined by who someone is. Who someone is is largely determined by things like upbringing, culture, etc.

                                                                                                                                        People may be responsible for their own choices, but society has the responsibility to see how its very structure influences the choices people make.
                                                                                                                                        Sorry, I didn't make my point clear - i was refering to attitude, not odds.

                                                                                                                                        [QUOTE]Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                                        I think his argument is that "equal opportunity" doesn't exist. I think he's said that opportunity exists, it's just not equal.

                                                                                                                                        Are we really discussing.... did i just hear somebeody say... Oh, fuck me. *high pitched nasal whine: "It's not faaaaaaaair."

                                                                                                                                        While some of you had some decent points and argueable stances on the issue of fairness and equality, as far as I am concerned you just reduuced yourselves (and not based on BRISK's statement alone) to a bunch of whining Sally's.

                                                                                                                                        So: Sally, Suzie, and Suzzete - I hear they are giving out free manicures down at the thrift store, wanna go?

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                                                                                                                                          • Ad3pt
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 476
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                            Isn't Mommy calling you to dinner?
                                                                                                                                            Is that all you got?

                                                                                                                                            Let me tell you my story selfownagemaster.

                                                                                                                                            My dad did drugs when I was growing up but he wasn't abusive, just a musician. So mom had to work a couple jobs to help pay the bills. We were far from wealthy and always managed to get by. I dropped out of school in my junior year, against my parents wishes, because I was young and stupid thinking I had all the answers. Ultimately, I was kicked out of the house. How's that for support? I wanted to go to work and start making money right then. Looking back maybe I should have made different choices. Anyway, I chose a skilled trade and stuck with it working my way up the ranks and getting better pay with promotions. That went on for 15 years. To make a long story short, I got out of the rat race by my own choice. I now own a startup (going on 3rd year), a house by the beach, 3 cars (all paid for), have a beautiful wife (who made my dinner ;-) ) and life is pretty damn good.

                                                                                                                                            To say that people growing up in the ghetto's don't have a chance is stupid. All Americans have an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED PERIOD. No one forces parents to be bad just as noone forces people not to try to succeed. I don't know where you're originally from but I suspect it's one of those countries where people are either born into the working class or royalty. Am I wrong?
                                                                                                                                            Don't look here for the joke. It's in your pants.

                                                                                                                                            South O - World Class surfer destination since 2001.

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                                                                                                                                              • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 17860
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                I'm out of here. The stupidity here is frustrating me to the point that I'm starting to want to kill kittens and other cute little fluffy animals.
                                                                                                                                                /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 4552
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by bringer
                                                                                                                                                    i agree with that
                                                                                                                                                    Hey, we agree on something.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 4552
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Probono
                                                                                                                                                        Australia did hunt and slaughter the aboriginal people. I do not know the current status, do aborigines have the rights and opportunities of the decendent of a British prisoner?
                                                                                                                                                        Do we have 'equal opportunity'?

                                                                                                                                                        No.

                                                                                                                                                        Aborigines have the same rights, yes... but we have long, long way to go.

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                                                                                                                                                          • bringer
                                                                                                                                                            i have man boobies
                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 13082
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                            Hey, we agree on something.
                                                                                                                                                            yeah, shit happens
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                                                                                                                                                              • Wolfy
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                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Damn I should have stopped one post ago (I was at SIXTYNINE!!! )
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Wolfy; 11-06-2004, 05:26 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Wolfy
                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, I didn't make my point clear - i was refering to attitude, not odds.

                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                    I think his argument is that "equal opportunity" doesn't exist. I think he's said that opportunity exists, it's just not equal.

                                                                                                                                                                    Are we really discussing.... did i just hear somebeody say... Oh, fuck me. *high pitched nasal whine: "It's not faaaaaaaair."

                                                                                                                                                                    While some of you had some decent points and argueable stances on the issue of fairness and equality, as far as I am concerned you just reduuced yourselves (and not based on BRISK's statement alone) to a bunch of whining Sally's.

                                                                                                                                                                    So: Sally, Suzie, and Suzzete - I hear they are giving out free manicures down at the thrift store, wanna go?
                                                                                                                                                                    I was just clarifying what I think Joe meant. I never said I agreed with him. I also never said I disagreed with him.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Ad3pt

                                                                                                                                                                        To say that people growing up in the ghetto's don't have a chance is stupid. All Americans have an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED PERIOD. No one forces parents to be bad just as noone forces people not to try to succeed. I don't know where you're originally from but I suspect it's one of those countries where people are either born into the working class or royalty. Am I wrong?
                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the heartwarming story.

                                                                                                                                                                        You are a fucking moron and have clearly not comprehended one thing I've said in this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now kindly fuck off and eat a bag of shit you mental midget.

                                                                                                                                                                        And you have the audacity to talk about self-ownage?

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Wolfy
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                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                            I was just clarifying what I think Joe meant. I never said I agreed with him. I also never said I disagreed with him.
                                                                                                                                                                            Let me guess - you voted for Kerry?











                                                                                                                                                                            i'm kidding

                                                                                                                                                                            My apologies if it seemed an attack on you. Your words fit my point better than something I could have said myself though, don't take it personal.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • CET
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                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                                                                                                                What I was doing was showing how your statistic without more information couldn't be used as an argument, not attacking the actual book. The statistic may be true and useful, or it may be complete crap - we'll never know, because you were too lazy to actually transform it from a random number into a full-fledged argument by providing information on the research method and definitions used.

                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not saying I don't care about stats, I'm saying I don't care about stats without any further information about "little" things like research method and such.

                                                                                                                                                                                The stats I posted were meant to give an example of how stats implying the exact opposite can also be found quite easily.


                                                                                                                                                                                Honestly, I'm shocked I actually had to explain all this.
                                                                                                                                                                                Read the book. It's been years since I read it, so I don't remember that stuff, and even if I did, I'm not going to type pages of that stuff on to a web board. That's a shit load of work for me so that my opponent will likely blow it off, which has happened to me more then once. Go read the book, it goes into agnozing detail on methods and other stats.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Arousal Design
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SultryMal
                                                                                                                                                                                    I heard this story that I think all democrats should hear:

                                                                                                                                                                                    There was a girl named Jane, who was very liberal and just about to graduate from college.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Her father was a rich republican, so when Jane came back from break they started talking, first about school, Jane said that she studied all the time, and rarely had time to see anybody, but was getting a 4.0... then the subject moved to politics.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jane believed that the government should distibute the money throughout the country, by giving the rich smaller tax cuts.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Tha father then asked her how her roommate was doing.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jane told him not too well, she parties a lot and is only getting a 2.0, she is popular but rarely goes to class.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The father then says, ah well i see, well so why dont you give her 1.0 of yours, so then you both will have 3.0.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jane said of course not! i worked hard for my grades...she then realized that its not fair to whine about taxing the rich because they had earned it, they shouldn't be punished for their success..
                                                                                                                                                                                    This is such a flawed idea, its no wonder you believe it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    You have to revamp it because its not directly analagous. Let's say everyone in the school has to distribute their GPA amongst the rest of the school. Would it then be fair for the person with the GPA of 2.0 to give up 1.0 and the person with the 4.0 also only having to give up 1.0 ?


                                                                                                                                                                                    In terms of "fairness" ... the person with the GPA of 2.0 will be left with half of what they had, 1.0.. and the person with the 4.0 will be left with 3/4ths or 3.0 ... one will fail the other will still pass easily.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Who should have to lift the heavier rocks... the strongest person in the bunch or the weakest?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Ad3pt
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the heartwarming story.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You are a fucking moron and have clearly not comprehended one thing I've said in this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Now kindly fuck off and eat a bag of shit you mental midget.

                                                                                                                                                                                        And you have the audacity to talk about self-ownage?
                                                                                                                                                                                        woohoo! rhetoric and insults - the signs of not having anything meaningful to say. wow man, you're such an intelectual thinker.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't look here for the joke. It's in your pants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • bringer
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Arousal Design
                                                                                                                                                                                            This is such a flawed idea, its no wonder you believe it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            You have to revamp it because its not directly analagous. Let's say everyone in the school has to distribute their GPA amongst the rest of the school. Would it then be fair for the person with the GPA of 2.0 to give up 1.0 and the person with the 4.0 also only having to give up 1.0 ?


                                                                                                                                                                                            In terms of "fairness" ... the person with the GPA of 2.0 will be left with half of what they had, 1.0.. and the person with the 4.0 will be left with 3/4ths or 3.0 ... one will fail the other will still pass easily.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Who should have to lift the heavier rocks... the strongest person in the bunch or the weakest?
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Ad3pt
                                                                                                                                                                                                woohoo! rhetoric and insults - the signs of not having anything meaningful to say. wow man, you're such an intelectual thinker.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Nice sig.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I win.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Wolfy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Arousal Design
                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is such a flawed idea, its no wonder you believe it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    You have to revamp it because its not directly analagous. Let's say everyone in the school has to distribute their GPA amongst the rest of the school. Would it then be fair for the person with the GPA of 2.0 to give up 1.0 and the person with the 4.0 also only having to give up 1.0 ?


                                                                                                                                                                                                    In terms of "fairness" ... the person with the GPA of 2.0 will be left with half of what they had, 1.0.. and the person with the 4.0 will be left with 3/4ths or 3.0 ... one will fail the other will still pass easily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Who should have to lift the heavier rocks... the strongest person in the bunch or the weakest?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    is there any excuse for someone having something below a 2.0? Your whole point rests on "fairness", while you blow right past the fact that there IS no excuse for having something below a 2.0 or even a 3.0, really, so it is in fact unfair to ask ANYBODY to give up any of their earnings to compensate for someone elses lack thereof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nice try though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Ad3pt
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nice sig.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I win.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah taht's what I thought. you don't even buy the shit you talk you fucking postwhore.
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