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  • ADL Colin
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    • Feb 2001
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    #201
    Originally posted by Mike33
    I don't know. Why is our DNA 99% similar to chimps yet they can climb trees and we can't, we can talk and they can't, we can problem solve and they can't, we can build and innovate but they can't.
    Well, chimps do solve problems and we can climb trees. ;-)


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      • CET
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        • Jul 2003
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        #202
        Originally posted by stocktrader23
        lol, what do you expect? Should I read that entire thing and respond afterwards? What you accept as evidence I don't. Too many assumptions come into play.
        You didn't even read it! You have no idea what it is you're blowing off.
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          • Drake
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            • Mar 2003
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            #203
            Originally posted by CET
            You're the one who can't back up what he says. You have been provided scientific links, but you refuse to read them. You are willfully ignorant. I hope you are happy in your world, just hang out with the red necks and you'll get along with them just fine. If you try to hang out with someone who appreciates knowledge and science, you'll find yourself being looked at queerly for all the crap that comes out of your mouth and the lack of information going into your ears and eyes.
            Keep believing because everybody else does. I'm schooled. I'm no redneck. I have nothing in common with rednecks. I'm not religious. I'm scientifically grounded. Science is #1 in my book. I wish I could include Evolution into in one day. Maybe when their is evidence for it, I will include it among the other sciences.

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              • BRISK
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                • Feb 2003
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                #204
                Originally posted by Mike33
                I don't know. Why is our DNA 99% similar to chimps yet they can climb trees and we can't
                ummmm
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                  • CET
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                    • Jul 2003
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                    #205
                    Originally posted by Mike33
                    Are you sure you guys aren't religious zealots disguised as evolutionists? The close-mindedness and arrogance is striking and frightening.
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                      • CET
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                        • Jul 2003
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                        #206
                        Originally posted by titmowse
                        okay. another question from me:

                        A scientific theory doesn't mean there's no proof. It means there's a lot of proof, just no absolute proof like there's proof of gravity, right?
                        Gravity has not been absotely proven, we have yet to find the graviton.
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                          • titmowse
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                            • Jan 2001
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                            #207
                            Originally posted by CET
                            Gravity has not been absotely proven, we have yet to find the graviton.
                            Yes. Thank you ;)
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                              • sacX
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                                • Dec 2002
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                                #208
                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                Keep believing because everybody else does. I'm schooled. I'm no redneck. I have nothing in common with rednecks. I'm not religious. I'm scientifically grounded. Science is #1 in my book. I wish I could include Evolution into in one day. Maybe when their is evidence for it, I will include it among the other sciences.
                                How do you explain bacterial resistance to antibiotics if not by evolution?
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                                  • Drake
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                                    • Mar 2003
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                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by Colin
                                    Well, chimps do solve problems and we can climb trees. ;-)
                                    Oh yeah? Strange, I don't see that very often. I'd like to see where chimps are able to problems solve.

                                    Also strange how you left out the part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"

                                    They are 99% similar to us after all.

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                                      • sacX
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                                        • Dec 2002
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                                        #210
                                        Originally posted by Mike33
                                        Oh yeah? Strange, I don't see that very often.

                                        Also strange how you left out the part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"

                                        They are 99% similar to us after all.
                                        Their DNA is 99% similar, not "they" are 99% similar.
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                                          • Drake
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                                            • Mar 2003
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                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by sacX
                                            Their DNA is 99% similar, not "they" are 99% similar.
                                            Exactly my point.

                                            What you're looking at in terms of genetics or dna isn't the end all be all. It obviously isn't.

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                                              • ADL Colin
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                                                • Feb 2001
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                                                #212
                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                Yes, that's natural selection, not evolution. And there is no gaurantee that such genes would be passed down.
                                                Right, it's a probability.

                                                If a gene is in just one of your parents then you have about a 50% chance of receiving that gene minus about a one in a million chance of a mutation. If both parents have the gene you have a 100% - 1 in a million chance of mutation of receiving that gene.

                                                If a population has a number of organisms with Gene A and Gene B and Gene A organisms have a better chance of surviving than the Gene B organisms then the chances increase that both of your parents carried the gene.

                                                Overall, this leads to a greater probability of Gene A being passed to the next generation and for a group of organisms you will find that Gene A increased its frequency in the next generation.

                                                Would you agree with that?


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                                                  • theking
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                                                    • Sep 2002
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                                                    #213
                                                    People are using the word "believe" as in do you "believe" in evolution. There is alot of evidence to indicate that micro-evolution has taken place. There is far less evidence (if any) to indicate macro-evolution has taken place. There is zero evidence to indicate that abiogenesis has taken place. The book is still open on "evolution" and "believe" is the proper word to use...just as "believe" is the proper word to use for "creationism".
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                                                      • CET
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                                                        #214
                                                        Originally posted by Mike33
                                                        CET, we're talking about evolution for goodness sake. Not medicine. I'm a believer in just about ALL the other sciences. Evolution doesn't fit.
                                                        You said that lots of people die in hospitals because they trust their doctor. You bruoght it up, I called you on it.

                                                        BTW, evolution is very important in medicine, that's why doctors have to know what antibiotics you've had before. That's also why there's a different flu vaccine every year.
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                                                          • stocktrader23
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                                                            • Jan 2003
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                                                            #215
                                                            Originally posted by CET
                                                            You didn't even read it! You have no idea what it is you're blowing off.
                                                            I didn't say I wouldn't read it. Don't have time now, it's a mile long.


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                                                              • BRISK
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                                                                • Feb 2003
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                                                                #216
                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                I don't know. Why is our DNA 99% similar to chimps yet they can climb trees and we can't
                                                                What the crap? How are they doing that?! We can't do that!
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                                                                  • Johny Traffic
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                                                                    #217
                                                                    Keep believing because everybody else does
                                                                    Half of Americans don't


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                                                                      • CET
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                                                                        #218
                                                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                        The pope accepts God and you can't?
                                                                        The pope wasn't diametrically opposed to god, but he was to evolution and had to change the official church position due to "overwhelming evidence".
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                                                                          • Drake
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                                                                            #219
                                                                            Originally posted by Colin
                                                                            Right, it's a probability.

                                                                            If a gene is in just one of your parents then you have about a 50% chance of receiving that gene minus about a one in a million chance of a mutation. If both parents have the gene you have a 100% - 1 in a million chance of mutation of receiving that gene.

                                                                            If a population has a number of organisms with Gene A and Gene B and Gene A organisms have a better chance of surviving than the Gene B organisms then the chances increase that both of your parents carried the gene.

                                                                            Overall, this leads to a greater probability of Gene A being passed to the next generation and for a group of organisms you will find that Gene A increased its frequency in the next generation.

                                                                            Would you agree with that?
                                                                            Yes I agree with that.

                                                                            Let's take for example being in a theatre and their is a fire. The smart guy runs for the exit door first....everybody else gets burned alive and dies.

                                                                            Now, will this "gene" of avoiding fire be passed on since it is what allowed the smart guy to adapt to the situation rather than die? No, there is no evidence for this.

                                                                            You see what I'm saying. We can isolate certain facts and twist them to suit our theory while ignoring other ones that contradict it.

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                                                                              • Drake
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                                                                                #220
                                                                                Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                What the crap? How are they doing that?! We can't do that!
                                                                                hey, they're not swinging from vines and jumping to other trees now are they?


                                                                                Also strange how you failed to address the other part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"

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                                                                                  • CET
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                                                                                    #221
                                                                                    Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                    Why? He is an authority on all the laws of nature because he was a brilliant geneticist? He is infallible? Should I believe the philosophies of all scientists? Should I have taken Einstein's advice on fashion?

                                                                                    He can choose to believe that, but there is no evidence for that claim.


                                                                                    I could throw it back at you. The Pope is close to God, believe what he says about God. See how weak it is? Don't believe in God because somebody else does. God is bullshit no matter who tells me to believe in him.
                                                                                    You should take a biologist's word for it before you take a preacher's word for it.
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                                                                                      • sacX
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                                                                                        • Dec 2002
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                                                                                        #222
                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                        People are using the word "believe" as in do you "believe" in evolution. There is alot of evidence to indicate that micro-evolution has taken place. There is far less evidence (if any) to indicate macro-evolution has taken place. There is zero evidence to indicate that abiogenesis has taken place. The book is still open on "evolution" and "believe" is the proper word to use...just as "believe" is the proper word to use for "creationism".
                                                                                        what's the fossil record and vestigial organs limbs.. Microevolution itself is evidence for macroevolution..
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                                                                                          • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                            #223
                                                                                            Also strange how you left out the part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"
                                                                                            Of course they cant, they havn't evolved as much as us yet


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                                                                                              • theking
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                                                                                                • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                #224
                                                                                                "Creationism" does not require a belief in the Bible or any other religious writings. Without proof of abiogenesis having taken place..."creationism" is more than viable.
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                                                                                                  • Drake
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                                                                                                    #225
                                                                                                    Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                    You should take a biologist's word for it before you take a preacher's word for it.
                                                                                                    Maybe, but both can be wrong, no?

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                                                                                                      • CET
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                                                                                                        #226
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                        No. Careful. I said that Person A and Person B. They were both different people. One of them was more resistant to cold weather. He did not change to fit his environment. He was already as he was and was able to survive better on that alone.
                                                                                                        Thus you have to accept at least micro-evolution, because person A is now fit and person B is not. Person A will reproduce and have children that are more fit for their environment then person B would have.
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                                                                                                          • Drake
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                                                                                                            #227
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                                                                            Of course they cant, they havn't evolved as much as us yet
                                                                                                            lol

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                                                                                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                                #228
                                                                                                                Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                People are using the word "believe" as in do you "believe" in evolution. There is alot of evidence to indicate that micro-evolution has taken place. There is far less evidence (if any) to indicate macro-evolution has taken place. There is zero evidence to indicate that abiogenesis has taken place. The book is still open on "evolution" and "believe" is the proper word to use...just as "believe" is the proper word to use for "creationism".
                                                                                                                You are wrong Sgt. Speedbump and you clearly know nothing of the subject at hand.

                                                                                                                The evolution for macroevolution is exceptionally well documented. I have given a link multiple times in this thread. If you are intereested, click it.

                                                                                                                Abiogenesis is not the subject under discussion this evening.

                                                                                                                Now kindly fuck off.

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                                                                                                                  • sacX
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                                                                                                                    #229
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                    Yes I agree with that.

                                                                                                                    Let's take for example being in a theatre and their is a fire. The smart guy runs for the exit door first....everybody else gets burned alive and dies.

                                                                                                                    Now, will this "gene" of avoiding fire be passed on since it is what allowed the smart guy to adapt to the situation rather than die? No, there is no evidence for this.

                                                                                                                    You see what I'm saying. We can isolate certain facts and twist them to suit our theory while ignoring other ones that contradict it.
                                                                                                                    You keep thinking of things from a one person perspective, in a single episode. You need to think over the population.

                                                                                                                    Like in Africa people who have sickle-cell trait are more resistant to malaria.
                                                                                                                    This trait provides an advantage in this population and IS a gene and IS passed on.
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                                                                                                                      • titmowse
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                                                                                                                        #230
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                        hey, they're not swinging from vines and jumping to other trees now are they?


                                                                                                                        Also strange how you failed to address the other part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"
                                                                                                                        I've watched enough Jane Goodall to know this one. Chimps make tools and have a language. Maybe not as advance as man but "similar" to man.
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                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                            #231
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                            "Creationism" does not require a belief in the Bible or any other religious writings. Without proof of abiogenesis having taken place..."creationism" is more than viable.
                                                                                                                            You continue to speak shit.

                                                                                                                            There is no scientific basis for 'creationism'.

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                                                                                                                              • ADL Colin
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                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                • 11929
                                                                                                                                #232
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                Oh yeah? Strange, I don't see that very often. I'd like to see where chimps are able to problems solve.
                                                                                                                                Hang a banana from a ceiling and put boxes in a corner. A chimp will go pick up the boxes and stack them in such a way as to be able to climb the boxes and reach the banana.

                                                                                                                                There are thousands of such examples in the literature. If you're interested in some fascinating books on chimp behavior Frans De Waal's books are very good.


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                                                                                                                                  • CET
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                                                                                                                                    #233
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                    Maybe he did.

                                                                                                                                    Quote from the beginning of the thread:

                                                                                                                                    Even the biology teachers dont always teach it. In Oklahoma, 33 percent of high school biology teachers place little or no emphasis on evolution. In Kentucky, Indiana, and Tennessee, 23 percent of high school biology teachers have the same view (Weld and McNew 1999).
                                                                                                                                    1. I have trouble believing the stats given, they're way too far fetched and they were never substantiated.

                                                                                                                                    2. Just because it is not taught does not mean it was the teacher's idea. Teachers have to use the cirriculum given them by their district board, and non-scientists and parents sit on those boards and vote for what the cirriculum is going to be.

                                                                                                                                    Conclusion: Even if those stats are true, they prove nothing outside of the fact that idiots run school districts, which we already know.
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                                                                                                                                      • theking
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                                                                                                                                        #234
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by sacX
                                                                                                                                        what's the fossil record and vestigial organs limbs.. Microevolution itself is evidence for macroevolution..
                                                                                                                                        If you are willing to take take the leap of "belief"...for there is little...if any...evidence of macro-evolution.
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                                                                                                                                          • Drake
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                                                                                                                                            #235
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Colin
                                                                                                                                            Hang a banana from a ceiling and put boxes in a corner. A chimp will go pick up the boxes and stack them in such a way as to be able to climb the boxes and reach the banana.

                                                                                                                                            There are thousands of such examples in the literature. If you're interested in some fascinating books on chimp behavior Frans De Waal's books are very good.
                                                                                                                                            I was almost certain the opposite was true. The chimp never gets the banana.

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                                                                                                                                              • CET
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                                                                                                                                                #236
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                Burn me at the stake because I don't agree with your tentative unfounded beliefs. The new leftwing religion witch hunt is on!
                                                                                                                                                "I'm so persecuted because someone disagrees with me! Boo hoo!"

                                                                                                                                                You do a terrible job at playing the victim.
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                                                                                                                                                  • sacX
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                                                                                                                                                    #237
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                    If you are willing to take take the leap of "belief"...for there is little...if any...evidence of macro-evolution.
                                                                                                                                                    right, and so what is your contention with the fossil record? microevolution? vestigial limbs. Surely you must have some better explanation, or at least a good reason for doubting it?

                                                                                                                                                    I'm in no way saying evolution is rock solid, but it is FAR better than any other current explanation.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                        #238
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by sacX
                                                                                                                                                        You keep thinking of things from a one person perspective, in a single episode. You need to think over the population.

                                                                                                                                                        Like in Africa people who have sickle-cell trait are more resistant to malaria.
                                                                                                                                                        This trait provides an advantage in this population and IS a gene and IS passed on.
                                                                                                                                                        sickle cell may make them more resistant to malaria, but you're certainly not saying we should all hope to have a sickle cell trait are you? Blacks seem to have problems with that sometimes.

                                                                                                                                                        It's a gene that is passed on. Yes I agree. What does that have to do with evolution?

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                                                                                                                                                          • theking
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                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                            #239
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                            You continue to speak shit.

                                                                                                                                                            There is no scientific basis for 'creationism'.
                                                                                                                                                            Just as there is zero scientific basis for the origin of life..."abiogenesis". Thus "creationism" is as good an alternative that can be preseneted...at this point in time.
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                                                                                                                                                                #240
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                                Yes, that's natural selection, not evolution. And there is no gaurantee that such genes would be passed down.
                                                                                                                                                                Then you have to deny genetics and that you share all of your genes with your mother and father.
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                                                                                                                                                                "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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                                                                                                                                                                  • ADL Colin
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                    #241
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                                    hey, they're not swinging from vines and jumping to other trees now are they?

                                                                                                                                                                    Also strange how you failed to address the other part where I mentioned "we can build and innovate but they can't, we can talk and they can't"
                                                                                                                                                                    No, they are not swinging from vines. Chimpanzees and humans are similar, not the same. i.e. related. 7 million years of being separate species is quite a bit of time.

                                                                                                                                                                    It wasn't strange. I just didn't take the time. Chimps do use language and they (along with gorillas) can be taught sign language. As titmowse said, hit the Goodall literature. Also De Waals.


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                                                                                                                                                                      • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 12508
                                                                                                                                                                        #242
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CET
                                                                                                                                                                        1. I have trouble believing the stats given, they're way too far fetched and they were never substantiated.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. Just because it is not taught does not mean it was the teacher's idea. Teachers have to use the cirriculum given them by their district board, and non-scientists and parents sit on those boards and vote for what the cirriculum is going to be.

                                                                                                                                                                        Conclusion: Even if those stats are true, they prove nothing outside of the fact that idiots run school districts, which we already know.
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know where the stats are from or how they were collected. Ask Johnny he posted them.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • BRISK
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 12240
                                                                                                                                                                            #243
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                                            Oh yeah? Strange, I don't see that very often. I'd like to see where chimps are able to problems solve.
                                                                                                                                                                            http://bowland-files.lancs.ac.uk/chi...URE4/4prob.htm
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                                                                                                                                                                              • CET
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                #244
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                                                Keep believing because everybody else does. I'm schooled. I'm no redneck. I have nothing in common with rednecks. I'm not religious. I'm scientifically grounded. Science is #1 in my book. I wish I could include Evolution into in one day. Maybe when their is evidence for it, I will include it among the other sciences.
                                                                                                                                                                                Then stop being willfully ignorant and read the scientific literature!

                                                                                                                                                                                BTW, what you have in common with red necks is your non-acceptance of evolution. It's interesting that most of the people, not all but most, that don't accept evolution are usually at the shallow end of the gene pool.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #245
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Colin
                                                                                                                                                                                    No, they are not swinging from vines. Chimpanzees and humans are similar, not the same. i.e. related. 7 million years of being separate species is quite a bit of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    It wasn't strange. I just didn't take the time. Chimps do use language and they (along with gorillas) can be taught sign language. As titmowse said, hit the Goodall literature. Also De Waals.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I was almost certain the recent studies indicated the opposite with regard to sign language.

                                                                                                                                                                                    With regard to language, you and I can't make heads or tales out of screaming they produce as a viable language for them. It's communication, but I wouldn't go as far as language.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • titmowse
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #246
                                                                                                                                                                                        Well fellas, it's been fun to be the chick in this little intellectual gang bang but I must be off to do the duties of a mom.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #247
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                                                            Just as there is zero scientific basis for the origin of life..."abiogenesis". Thus "creationism" is as good an alternative that can be preseneted...at this point in time.
                                                                                                                                                                                            We are not arguing abiogenesis and this has been explained to you more than once.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Like I said, 'creationism' is not scientific.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Heard of the scientific method?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • theking
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 21053
                                                                                                                                                                                                #248
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by sacX
                                                                                                                                                                                                right, and so what is your contention with the fossil record? microevolution? vestigial limbs. Surely you must have some better explanation, or at least a good reason for doubting it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm in no way saying evolution is rock solid, but it is FAR better than any other current explanation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Who said that I "doubt it"? I am just like you and the rest of the entire population of this earth...I don't know. One can "believe" but belief is not a substitute for fact.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #249
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was almost certain the opposite was true. The chimp never gets the banana
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I guess it depends how hungry the hairy little fucker is
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #250
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Colin
                                                                                                                                                                                                        No, they are not swinging from vines. Chimpanzees and humans are similar, not the same. i.e. related. 7 million years of being separate species is quite a bit of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        It wasn't strange. I just didn't take the time. Chimps do use language and they (along with gorillas) can be taught sign language. As titmowse said, hit the Goodall literature. Also De Waals.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So they just happened to not evolve over 7 million years while we did and they live in the same areas as many of us? Hmmm

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