Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well take it from a designer.

Umm a real designer that knows.

No pay? there is no time, thus no design.
If I did work I got paid for it before hand at least 1/2 upfront.
Then at least if performance sucks or ya get no results ya can out them and drag em through the mud, hell I will even help you do it.

I have had clients and people say "Checks in the Mail" I have heard all the stories and I tell ya...

If I charged for every person that that came to me and expected free work upfront I would be a multi millionair.
So if ya want results break out the pocket book