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Agree 100%Originally posted by mdcq
I would think 2 days, they knew the price, they knew the delivery date more than likely, they should have no excuse to hold out longer than a few days.
I would never hire anyone without having the money already available for them upon completion. Doing it any other way is pretty shady.
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Hope you get paid.Originally posted by tootie
I've reminded them about it every day. I even explained how urgent it was and I was told I'd be sent a wire Monday, but it didn't arrive and Monday night they apologized and said they'd take a look at the stuff I sent but I didn't get paid today, either.
I usually just do the ?paper trail??invoice upon completion, reminder two weeks later, invoice at 30 days saying past due, if necessary, one at 60 days, and one at 90 days, and if it gets to that point I write it off as no pay and send a certified letter. (Makes my accountant happy)
Tootie, in the future you may want to tell new clients that you require a deposit. Not that you don?t trust them but that it would make them feel better knowing that each party has a stake in the project. I learned a long time ago if a company or individual can?t put a deposit up for work not to deal with them or ask for credit references and make sure you talk with them.
Also, never sound desperate for work or collecting a bill. It only gives the other party the upper hand to nickel and dime you. A good book to read is ?Thick Face, Black Heart : The Warrior Philosophy For Conquering The Challenges OF Business And Life?
by Chin-Ning Chu
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Tootie - you have probably learned a valuable lesson.
Board reputations are not worth the paper they are written on and you are not the only content provider to learn that lesson.
We have a friend here in Australia who did some work for another guy here who has a big reputation on this board and others. He comes across as an important player in the industry and people look up to him.
Sadly, in real life he's a non-payer and he has been stringing our friend along for ages.
I doubt that she will ever see the money but one day his real reputation will catch up with him and his scamming little ways will be exposed.Left intentionally blank ... just like my brainComment
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You're right. I guess it's hard for me to remember sometimes that there are people who truly don't care about their fellow man (or woman) and they'll take advantage of someone in a desperate situation. I guess I still try to believe that most people are good people and I have alot of faith in people. I guess that has its advantages and its disadvantages.Originally posted by SureFire
Also, never sound desperate for work or collecting a bill. It only gives the other party the upper hand to nickel and dime you. A good book to read is ?Thick Face, Black Heart : The Warrior Philosophy For Conquering The Challenges OF Business And Life?
by Chin-Ning Chu
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He/she might see this and have the $$ to you in the AM.
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Read the book, it may help you understand that you and your work comes first and the dynamics of being a business person.Originally posted by tootie
You're right. I guess it's hard for me to remember sometimes that there are people who truly don't care about their fellow man (or woman) and they'll take advantage of someone in a desperate situation. I guess I still try to believe that most people are good people and I have alot of faith in people. I guess that has its advantages and its disadvantages.
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Well known designers shouldn't accept work unless it's paid upfrontComment
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From my experience though well known designers are often so in demand they take on a lot of jobs and you get shuffled and once they have your money you're on their time schedule and not yours.Originally posted by AkiraSS
Well known designers shouldn't accept work unless it's paid upfront
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... eurofag again ??Originally posted by tootie
Trust. I had never worked for them before but they seem to have a solid reutation. I won't do that again, for sure.
Also, I needed the money really badly. I gave the client a price for 50% up front and I offered the client a discount if he'd pay 100% up front, but he offered to buy more if I'd discount even further and take nothing up front.
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This is an odd post from you since you've paid me upfront for every job I've done for you and you are one of the few people I don't worry about not getting paid from..Originally posted by RocHard
Thirty days.
Some of us in this industry are a business. This means standard business models apply.
You do the work and submit an invoice or bill. The company then has thrity days to cut you a check.
If you were to do graphics or webpage work at my request for Lightspeed Cash, when the project is completed to my satisfcation you submit a bill to me. I enter it into my records, and then pass it off to our accountant for payment. Depending on her workload is when the check gets cut. Allow a week for snail mail.......Comment
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Never deliver a completed project until you receive at least 50%. Too many scammers out there.
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2 days max! And you'd ask 50% upfront. Those "solid" companies are not so solid... and some guys are heartless bastards if they handle it like this.Comment
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1 month. Designer's problems are not client's. There are tons of designers out there, and 30 days is reasonable enough to review the site and the warranty should last that time as well so its fair.
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What if they AGREED to pay you on a certain date? Would you wait 30 days beyond that date?...Originally posted by Ana Laura
1 month. Designer's problems are not client's. There are tons of designers out there, and 30 days is reasonable enough to review the site and the warranty should last that time as well so its fair.Sleep well, and dream of large women.
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It would be 2 days in my case because in your scenerio you went out on a limb and didn't take anything up front so it's time to pay up when you are done...Comment
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I know my self, as a designer, would not agree to a big job like that upfront with no money or collateral and i sure as hell wouldnt give him the finished product until i was paid in part or full.Comment
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I don't have thoses problems since I ALWAYS ask for a good downpayments ... I've always refounded everybody that wasn't happy thoughtOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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if it's a client you've never dealt with before, or even one you have that you don't have full confidence in... get something up front...
period, end of story, not negotiable...Comment
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I don't think you're getting the whole picture here. I gave the client a big discount *because* I was having problems. I never would have agreed to no money up front AND a discount for a large job like that if it wasn't so urgent.Originally posted by Ana Laura
1 month. Designer's problems are not client's. There are tons of designers out there, and 30 days is reasonable enough to review the site and the warranty should last that time as well so its fair.
And the client was also saying they needed the sites right away. Why take so long to review something you supposedly needed right away?
This is business, but you're doing business with people, not machines. People have problems and if you're any kind of human being it seems fair to recognize that, especially when they have gone out of their way to make special arrangements for you.
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So what are they going to do in the 30 days?See if it converts and pay the designer with the money it maybe makes?Originally posted by Ana Laura
1 month. Designer's problems are not client's. There are tons of designers out there, and 30 days is reasonable enough to review the site and the warranty should last that time as well so its fair.
If you get a design from tootie you know what you get upfront, there is no high bullshit possibility.
I've never seen a reason not to pay upfront if a person is widely respected beside you got money problems or want to scam your business partner.
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I'm sorry, when it comes to custom work, Its a given in my book to lay down at least 50% down before starting, and for the most part only discounting if the client prepays the whole amount up front.
Tootie, I really hope you get paid soon!
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a week from an international client.
2-3 days from a regional one.Comment
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48 hours i sayCry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.Comment
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Yeah, I would like to see the guys at OC Chopper make a bike with payment pending...
I would like tosee an entire music video produced and get paid depending on audience response and air play.
I would really like to A Budlight commercial made with intent to pay untilit is played on superbowl Sunday and if it sells enough beer the producers might get paid depending.
Its like saying hey Sex.com gimme someclicks and if the traffic does good I will pay you!
Please people...
Are you folks on fucking crack or what?
No one in the field does work till payment is up front or at a minimum a non refundable deposit. If you think you are that good and your work is that great you know you will get paid your gonna fall on your face. HARD.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 10-20-2004, 12:48 AM.
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PS: You fucking designers stop being so god damn retarded.
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50% if it's a US client
10% if it's an international one due to lower riskComment
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You are trying to hard to be an ass lately, whats up with that?Originally posted by AlienQ
PS: You fucking designers stop being so god damn retarded.
Tootie, not too smart to do all without any payment at all upfront. I stick to the simple rule that new clients always pay at least half upfront.
Hope ti gets worked out.
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Actually the Bud people send the payment about 2 to 4 weeks after completion and the comercial is usually completed only a few days to a few hours before it is going to be aired.Originally posted by AlienQ
Yeah, I would like to see the guys at OC Chopper make a bike with payment pending...
I would like tosee an entire music video produced and get paid depending on audience response and air play.
I would really like to A Budlight commercial made with intent to pay untilit is played on superbowl Sunday and if it sells enough beer the producers might get paid depending.
Its like saying hey Sex.com gimme someclicks and if the traffic does good I will pay you!
Please people...
Are you folks on fucking crack or what?
No one in the field does work till payment is up front or at a minimum a non refundable deposit. If you think you are that good and your work is that great you know you will get paid your gonna fall on your face. HARD.
OC Chopper makes the bikes with payment at the completion of the job and in some cases it can be financed.
But lets not get mixed up on corporate situations and people to people. I have delt with large corporations and they usually don't pay until they get an invoice in the mail and then it can take up to 2 weeks for them to put the check in the mail. But when dealing with people or small businesses I ask for the money before giving them the work and in cases where it is a tall order, I ask for the money upfront or a large portion there of.Comment
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yeh i think a couple days at max..Comment
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Originally posted by AlienQ
PS: You fucking designers stop being so god damn retarded.
to be honest, some of your posts in the past have been a tad frustrating but god you're right on here.
i don't think the design world is THAT difficult, but gawd lately its just one thing after another.
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You should have formal written payment terms, eg 50% up-front
and the balance within 7-days of sign-off.
If they don't pay by the agreed date, you start chasing payment.
If they haven't paid by 30 days after the agreed date and have
not made other arrangements, you stop pulling the punches
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I was thinking the same thing.Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... eurofag again ??
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Personally I need a deposit, unles it's a very well known company. I have been burned way too many times with people taking work and not paying me. I'd love to trust everyone, but there will always be some loser trying to rip you off.
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5 Days max, 1 business week is more than enough time to 'review' a site, non-payment is a no-no =/Comment
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- Bullshit.Originally posted by V_RocKs
Actually the Bud people send the payment about 2 to 4 weeks after completion and the comercial is usually completed only a few days to a few hours before it is going to be aired.
2.25 Million dollar time slot for 30 seconds during the superbowl.
For further reference:
National 30-Second Commercials Average Gross Costs
YEAR
1989 -$180,000
1990 -$188,000
1991-$210,000
1992 -$217,000
1993 -$242,000
1994 -$268,000
1995 -$263,000
1996 -$278,000
1997 -$308,000
1998 -$295,000
1999 -$343,000
Production costs for commercials have been trending upwards.
Infact...
The survey found the average cost to edit and finish an original thirty rose 26 percent, from $34,000 in 1998 to $43,000 in 1999.
Sound recording and mixing costs increased 23 percent, as opposed to a 2 percent drop in 1998. Video finishing also increased, up 25 percent from 1998, and music costs posted a 35 percent increase according to the 1999 study.
Creative/labor fees showed a 25 percent increase, a marked rise when compared to the 5 percent increase reported in 1998. Among the costs associated with the creative/labor fee, an editor?s mark-up, which reflected no change in 1998, increased 31 percent in 1999.
No Production Company does work without payment/financed payment before hand.
- Bullshit. "Financed" is partial payment down and "Can Be" is not an option "IS", is the word. Custom bikes cost between 80K to 150K. Each bike is custom ordered by clients not premade and shown on the floor. But since this is actually a "Reality" series ya can bet the costs are very different with cross promotional values during production. For example The Irobot Bike made for Will Smith.OC Chopper makes the bikes with payment at the completion of the job and in some cases it can be financed.
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