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  • WickedVenus
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2004
    • 3877

    #1

    I wish you designers were cheaper!

    I have so much designing to do its not even funny!!!! When looking at designers prices, for the amount of work I need done, it would cost me well over 10k to do all the work I need. I am stuck doing it all myself.

    Mainstream design seems so much cheaper!!!

    i dont need designers bashing me just my opinion!
    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.
  • WickedVenus
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2004
    • 3877

    #2
    if your wondering how much work i have it is: 30 member areas, 150 2 page tours, 150 full page ads, 150 half page ads, 150 full size banners, 150 small size banners and 90 gallery templates.
    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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    • Steen2
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2004
      • 7662

      #3
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      • WickedVenus
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2004
        • 3877

        #4
        Originally posted by Steen2
        it wasnt a bash lol I was just saying basically how much work i have. lol
        SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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        • MR2raymond
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2004
          • 1428

          #5
          it always ends up with a fair figure on that number of work.
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          • StuartD
            Sofa King Band
            • Jul 2002
            • 29903

            #6
            Originally posted by WickedVenus
            I have so much designing to do its not even funny!!!! When looking at designers prices, for the amount of work I need done, it would cost me well over 10k to do all the work I need. I am stuck doing it all myself.

            Mainstream design seems so much cheaper!!!

            i dont need designers bashing me just my opinion!
            Mainstream seems cheaper? Uhmm... you'd only get a fraction of the work done for the same price in mainstream.
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            • WickedVenus
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2004
              • 3877

              #7
              Originally posted by MR2raymond
              it always ends up with a fair figure on that number of work.
              Oh I know. Basically just shooting teh shit abotu how much work I have to do lol!!
              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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              • MR2raymond
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2004
                • 1428

                #8
                Originally posted by WickedVenus
                Oh I know. Basically just shooting teh shit abotu how much work I have to do lol!!
                now would be a good time to start on it
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                • WickedVenus
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 3877

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MaskedMan
                  Mainstream seems cheaper? Uhmm... you'd only get a fraction of the work done for the same price in mainstream.
                  I gueese for the people you know. People I know are about 1/2 of that!!
                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                  • sextoyking
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 6034

                    #10
                    Hi Venus,

                    For the amount of banners, 1/2 page and full page ads that you need, we can always come up with volume discounts

                    Please check out our huge portfolio online at:

                    http://www.webinc.com

                    Thanks

                    Todd
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                    • WickedVenus
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 3877

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MR2raymond
                      now would be a good time to start on it
                      lol I am, im just taking a break!! lol
                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                      • WickedVenus
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3877

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sextoyking
                        Hi Venus,

                        For the amount of banners, 1/2 page and full page ads that you need, we can always come up with volume discounts

                        Please check out our huge portfolio online at:

                        http://www.webinc.com

                        Thanks

                        Todd
                        ill ICQ you
                        SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                        • nofx
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                          • Nov 2002
                          • 16826

                          #13
                          thats a shit load of work to do for one person. hope all goes well.

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                          • WickedVenus
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 3877

                            #14
                            Originally posted by nofx
                            thats a shit load of work to do for one person. hope all goes well.
                            lol Im getting a designer lol i was just saying how much work I have lol. basically a designers spam me thread without saying spam me lol
                            SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                            • xclusive
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 35218

                              #15
                              you should break it down by priority you should start with what you think will make the most money the fastest and then take the revenue from that and finish the rest as your earnings grow...

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                              • WickedVenus
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 3877

                                #16
                                Originally posted by xclusive
                                you should break it down by priority you should start with what you think will make the most money the fastest and then take the revenue from that and finish the rest as your earnings grow...
                                shoot if it was my total decision i would, but i have partners and we all make decisions together!
                                SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                • Hands
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2004
                                  • 344

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by nofx
                                  thats a shit load for 1 person to do . hope all goes well.
                                  Shit YES, that's a lot for 1one person.. Good luck to you
                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                  • WickedVenus
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 3877

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Hands
                                    Shit YES, that's a lot for 1one person.. Good luck to you
                                    hehehe .like i said earlier im getting a designer lol!!
                                    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                    • Hands
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                                      • Apr 2004
                                      • 344

                                      #19
                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                      • KRL
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                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 31429

                                        #20
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                                        • ocho-ocho
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                                          • Apr 2004
                                          • 1769

                                          #21
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                                          • naughty_weena
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 898

                                            #22
                                            hit me up on ICQ. we might be able to help.

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                                            • mammy
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 2279

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                              I have so much designing to do its not even funny!!!! When looking at designers prices, for the amount of work I need done, it would cost me well over 10k to do all the work I need. I am stuck doing it all myself.

                                              Mainstream design seems so much cheaper!!!

                                              i dont need designers bashing me just my opinion!
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                                              • alan-l
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2003
                                                • 2477

                                                #24
                                                all that for 10k? and you get mainstream half of that? I'd use some of those mainstream designers charging 5 dollars per tour, lmk who they're!

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                                                • quincy
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                  • 444

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                  if your wondering how much work i have it is: 30 member areas, 150 2 page tours, 150 full page ads, 150 half page ads, 150 full size banners, 150 small size banners and 90 gallery templates.
                                                  wow. that much huh? that might take forever if you're planning to do it alone.. oh wait...you're getting a designer.

                                                  *clears throat*
                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                  • theS2O
                                                    Adult Design Since 2003
                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                    • 4785

                                                    #26
                                                    lots of designers on this board are cheap.. i myself considered cheap.. but how cheap are you talking about here?

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                                                    • jkfc
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                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                      • 405

                                                      #27
                                                      Hi there, please have a look at http://www.heavenproduction.com/portfolio.html

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                                                      • FuckFind
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 1188

                                                        #28
                                                        mainstream is cheaper?

                                                        gawd you don't even want to know how lucrative mainstream is for a designer. we're talkin 40-50% up to even 150% markups compared to adult.

                                                        FF

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                                                        • bringer
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                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 13082

                                                          #29
                                                          10k? ill do it for 9.9999999999999k plus a 32k tip
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                                                          • VeriSexy
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                                                            • Apr 2002
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                                                            #30
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                                                            • Roald
                                                              SecretFriends.com
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 27910

                                                              #31
                                                              There are so many good designers here for pretty good prices its not even funny. You must be looking in the wrong places ;)

                                                              Btw mainstream cheaper???


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                                                              • Shoehorn!
                                                                Die With Your Boots On
                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 22872

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by FuckFind
                                                                mainstream is cheaper?

                                                                gawd you don't even want to know how lucrative mainstream is for a designer. we're talkin 40-50% up to even 150% markups compared to adult.

                                                                FF
                                                                Oh man, I was hoping you wouldn't see this thread.

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                                                                • WickedVenus
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                  • 3877

                                                                  #33
                                                                  you guys all are saying mainstream is not cheaper lol its funny becasue it actually is, I did mainstream design for awhile and it was much cheaper!!! just my 2Cents
                                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                  • Roald
                                                                    SecretFriends.com
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 27910

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                    you guys all are saying mainstream is not cheaper lol its funny becasue it actually is, I did mainstream design for awhile and it was much cheaper!!! just my 2Cents
                                                                    you live in india or something?

                                                                    I used to do mainstream too before I entered adult and let me tell you, we were able to charge about 5 times for a project the same size as an adult one. Only problem, wich made me go in Adult deisgning, is the fact that in this type of biz is soo much easier and a lot less hassle with clients.


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                                                                    • WickedVenus
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                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                      • 3877

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                      you live in india or something?

                                                                      I used to do mainstream too before I entered adult and let me tell you, we were able to charge about 5 times for a project the same size as an adult one. Only problem, wich made me go in Adult deisgning, is the fact that in this type of biz is soo much easier and a lot less hassle with clients.

                                                                      lol I live in California! lol
                                                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                      • WickedVenus
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 3877

                                                                        #36
                                                                        im not trying to argue with anyone here lol. I was just stating my experiences lol
                                                                        SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                        • Roald
                                                                          SecretFriends.com
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 27910

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                          lol I live in California! lol
                                                                          I was beeing sarcastic ;)

                                                                          No problem if you want to state your opinion, just expect people to respond to it as this is a "public" board


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                                                                          • WickedVenus
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                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                            • 3877

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                            I was beeing sarcastic ;)

                                                                            No problem if you want to state your opinion, just expect people to respond to it as this is a "public" board
                                                                            I understand
                                                                            SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                            • harvey
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                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 9266

                                                                              #39
                                                                              If you're serious about this, we can help you. Of course, 10k is not a number we can work for on that amount of designs, but still we can give you a really neat price and a good turnaround (depending on your needs and how much you want to pay, turnarounds could decrease a lot). Anyway, feel free to contact me on ICQ 104870192 so we can discuss your needs
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                                                                              • okny
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                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 5761

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                you guys all are saying mainstream is not cheaper lol its funny becasue it actually is, I did mainstream design for awhile and it was much cheaper!!! just my 2Cents
                                                                                Depending on who you go with, to be honest no quality design is cheap, you get what you pay for
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                                                                                • Milena Dickman
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                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                  • 501

                                                                                  #41
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                                                                                  • Mutt
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 34431

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                    lol Im getting a designer lol i was just saying how much work I have lol. basically a designers spam me thread without saying spam me lol
                                                                                    one lol ....... two lol's ........ three lol's .........four lol's

                                                                                    what lol drug lol are u lol on?
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                                                                                    • abyss_al
                                                                                      **LOOKING FOR TRADES**
                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 15605

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by FuckFind
                                                                                      mainstream is cheaper?

                                                                                      gawd you don't even want to know how lucrative mainstream is for a designer. we're talkin 40-50% up to even 150% markups compared to adult.

                                                                                      FF
                                                                                      yup.... some top flash design sites i know of charge the minimum $20k to do a basic site

                                                                                      i dont think you know what ur saying, and designers are actually not charging enough... when talent and skill is invovled, and its something you cant do, designers come in... but these guys are stupid dropping prices and competing... they should get together and raise prices together, like gas stations do
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                                                                                      • StuartD
                                                                                        Sofa King Band
                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                        • 29903

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                        you guys all are saying mainstream is not cheaper lol its funny becasue it actually is, I did mainstream design for awhile and it was much cheaper!!! just my 2Cents
                                                                                        I used to do the mainstream thing myself and made TONS more money for my work than I do in adult.

                                                                                        I've never known mainstream to be cheaper for design, programming, hosting, bandwidth... nothing.
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                                                                                        • Alex From San Diego
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                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                          • 1642

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                          if your wondering how much work i have it is: 30 member areas, 150 2 page tours, 150 full page ads, 150 half page ads, 150 full size banners, 150 small size banners and 90 gallery templates.

                                                                                          If your budget is 10k or less for all that, I wouldn't expect to much. You will end up with templated tours and everything else templated. Is that waht you really want?

                                                                                          there is a price associated with quality work. Maybe consider downsizing your project to a more affordable range that will suit your budget.

                                                                                          Good luck but I would be very hesitent regardless of who they are if they say sure we can do that for 10k.
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                                                                                          • FuckFind
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                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                            • 1188

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
                                                                                            If your budget is 10k or less for all that, I wouldn't expect to much. You will end up with templated tours and everything else templated. Is that waht you really want?

                                                                                            there is a price associated with quality work. Maybe consider downsizing your project to a more affordable range that will suit your budget.

                                                                                            Good luck but I would be very hesitent regardless of who they are if they say sure we can do that for 10k.
                                                                                            for sure, there's no way i'd even touch it for less than 40k, but i would ass-to-the-grindstone it and try to do every next task better than the last.

                                                                                            "i wish you designers were cheaper!!!"

                                                                                            i think any designer will back me on this one...

                                                                                            "I wish you clients weren't cheap asses!!!"

                                                                                            FF

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                                                                                            • abyss_al
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                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 15605

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by FuckFind
                                                                                              for sure, there's no way i'd even touch it for less than 40k, but i would ass-to-the-grindstone it and try to do every next task better than the last.

                                                                                              "i wish you designers were cheaper!!!"

                                                                                              i think any designer will back me on this one...

                                                                                              "I wish you clients weren't cheap asses!!!"

                                                                                              FF
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                                                                                              • Tipsy
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                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                • 6989

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                What an amazingly ignorant thread (I'm obviously not talking about the majority of replies here).
                                                                                                Ignorance is never bliss.

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