BDSM Officially Illegal in U.S.

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it's all because of that new religion they are trying to force upon us "Hypochristianity"

OMG - can you fuckign believe this c*nt

you personally dont enjoy a bit of slap and tickle so you think its ok to pass a law so no one on earth can enjoy it - WTF!!!

honestly what the fuck is a narrow minded fuckstain like you even doin here

All you tards that voted for Bush to save tax $ or whatever ... here is what you get

It's not on the NCSF site yet?

I didn't originally quote it from the source - waiting on verification from the webmaster who originally posted the NCFS release in another BDSM forum.

My bad for not checking myself before reposting.


S.K.

i got lots of bdsm fetish sites!
come promote me and get arrested!

that sucks, im a bittime biter

agreed!!

For those of you that actually read this thread - that original quote from the Attorney General was part of that DOJ memo that was posted in the Washington Post over two months ago when they were trying to recruit FBI agents to man the "porn squad" - this is way old news and a bunch of BS being thrown out to scare WMs again - when this first aired in the news people were laughing at it because the FBI agents wouldnt even volunteer for this job - trying to tie together (pun intended) these cases where a guy got hammered by a local sheriff and someone allegedly pushing pedo to gain memberships in your organization is the worst kind of scam!

you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to sensationalize this shit for personal gain

Like I said a long time ago - beware of people yelling the sky is falling - especially when they are trying to make money off of it

You feel this is am impeachable offense?

I can't believe this is happening... Where is the so important first amendment now? Luckily we are in Sweden with an european host, but we have quite a few BDSM sponsors that might be targeted now

read - Don't believe everything you read on the Internet

http://jesuspenis.ericschwartz.com/m...o/JP_Full2.wmv

Only read page one, my mistake. Anyway the situation is still pretty fucked up.

WTF
...this is dictature at work
hail bush

I agree totally, but I'd like to add to that list this: even if is consensual but is hurting one of the parties involved (say somebody likes to have girls cut him with knives really badly and sick things like that, that goes beyond freedom in many ways). Anyway, all this is totally stupid. I'm hosted in Amsterdam and I'm so happy I moved my server there (it was in US before). I hope the winds will start blowing in a different direction over there at US.

Hey, cutters need love too. On a serious note, though, anyone who attempts to do any sort of blood/cutting/piercing play needs to be thoroughly trained in how to do it BEFORE attempting it and should always have at least one first-aid qualified standby available in case accidents happen. (One of the main reasons that most public dungeons have DMs (Dungeon Monitors) available is to keep an eye on not only the entire dungeon but especially dangerous play situations. I've been DM qual'd for years.)

This increase in hate toward BDSM sites is another reason I'm dragging my feet about launching mine.

Fair enough. You're entitled to your view and perhaps you have had more insight/first hand experience with them.

My comment was more directed at supporting consentual sexuality -especially if it is packaged as such.

I'll take any of their stuff over most of the 'throatjob' sites out there (which present mysogynistic abuse of women as the fantasy).

-Dino

Who the fuck cares if you are " into it " or not ....

I am not into gang bangs, so I think they should prosecute that...

You should not even be allowed to be in this business...

Why should I believe that ?

Because it is on the internet ?

Linkster ( and yourself ) are hardcore rep/bush supporters.

Is it true that The Gov promised to act on pornography ?
Is it true that they actually have created an FBI squad solely for porn ?
Is it true that they are packing the Supreme court with righ wing religious " judges "

So this could be very well true.

Stop living in a denial world.

You fucked up by voting Bush in a SECOND time , so admit your error.

im really fucking speechless

HEIL ADOLF BUSH!

I'm fucking ashamed of some of you.

Pull content down...tuck tail and run...WEAK!

If the FSC had done the same we would at this moment be living with 2257 regs that are nearly impossible to follow and putting models at risk. But they with many in the industry fought and continue to fight.

If Brandi and I had bowed down to the Department of Social Services and the local athorities we would have lost our daughter and our business. But rather than cry and whine like a bunch of fucking babies we fought...and won.

I would rather fight and lose...even go to jail than have to live knowing I was a pathetic, coward who stands for nothing.

So to all those who want to bow out...Go Fuck Yourself

I don't even understand urination. It isn't my bag but who really cares if people want to pee on each other or even just take pics of a very natural act.

This is exactly right. There has never been any kind of change without people willing to take the chance and fight for their rights and their lifestyles. The forces of intolerance will continue to push as long as there is no resistance.

As many of you know BDSM was illegal in Canada and we were brought up on obscenity charges because of our Sadoslaves and Miss Pain sites. We defended ourselves vigorously because you can see this type of material everywhere you look in the mainstream. From shows such as "Kink" to popular movies, to popular fashions - fetish and bdsm themes are pervasive. All we had to do is prove to a judge that these practices are part of a safe and sane sexual life with testimony from renowned psychologists etc.

We were found not guilty and now it is safe for people to produce this type of content in Canada. We are very proud of what we accomplished and I sincerely hope there is someone in the US who will challenge this in court.

For anyone interested in the judge's full written decision on our case:
Judge's Legal Decision on Sweet Enterainment Obscenity Case

definitely scare tactics, but still troublesome.

First off - you obviously didnt read what I fucking posted - the facts behind the original posters story are somewhat true - however it was embellished by some right-wing bigot to make it sound like we should run out and give them money to help protect ourselves
And if you have ever read any of my posts I am the furthest thing you will ever run into from a Rep or right-winged - it is always better to read posts before making judgements. No one is in denial - but Ill be damned if Im going to contribute money to people that lie about the facts. And Id be the first to tell you that if I had even come close to voting for Bush I would have committed suicide first - however I do have a BIG problem with others that tell me that what my political beliefs should be when they dont even vote - yes I voted for Kerry - and I have voted in every election over the last 33 years since I turned 18. And voted Democrat every time.

See http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=56

I reposted the article in good faith after taking it at face value...and I admit to the mistake of not checking the validity beforehand.

Aside from that, I now have a call in to Susan Wright (spokesperson with the NCSF - left voicemail) attempting to verify the validity of that press release.

I'm waiting to hear back from NCSF at this point (and the webmaster who originally posted the release).

And yes, I'm aware of the DOJ memo in the Washington Post.


SilentKnight

Linkster:

http://www.ncsfreedom.org/news/2005/...cenityWave.htm

Susan Wright phoned me earlier to say the webmaster was just slow in adding the press release to their site.


SilentKnight

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www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

SilentKnight - ya missed my point - that press release is false - it has bad info in it and thats why i wanted to see a link to the statement by the Attny Gen as I know that is the exact words he used in the memo to fbi agents back in July this year - when most people at the FBI were laughing at him for even trying this - and Im pretty sure that he hasnt issued another statement like they say in the press release
Also they misstate two cases in Florida - first off they are both the same case and same person - and second he hasnt been prosecuted yet.
The also list the fact that there were 40 obscenity cases prosecuted in the US since 2001 - this would also require some facts to back up as I think that there has only been 1 and that one the govt lost.
The fact that one WM has decided to close down their site without fighting sounds to me like they are probably part of this organization and doing it to back up getting people to donate to this cause - which in this case unfortunately sounds like a bunch of people embellishing the truth to make money.

If someone has a real case (and not a pedo case like the other case they mention in that release) then I totally agree that we should back the FSC or EFF to go after the Gov't - just like we have in the past - and won.
They also mention that only 4 cases were brought during Clinton - but if I remember correctly - his Atty Gen did exactly the same thing and caused all of us to have problems and fight against the first COPA - I still remember everyone having the little ribbon and the black pages

The overall point is that there are some people in this industry that try to benefit from causing alarm based on false stories - and it seems to be growing exponentially in the last year - its shameful - but expected in an environment where its already worked once

This is shocking to say the least, why not go after things that are actually illegal and wrong...I mean wtf...

Then I'd suggest at this point you take it up with NCFS and call them out on the validity of their press release. In fact, I'd be interested in hearing what they say. I quite agree that much of it is worded the same as the Washington Post article - but NCFS would have to be accountable for what they're currently reporting.

And while I also agree there are some folks in the industry proclaiming "The sky is falling" - there is ample evidence these days to suggest times are a-changing and we'd all do well to stand on guard in defense.


SilentKnight

O rly? LOL The logic in this industry is amazing. Hello.

The FBI goes worldwide these days to pick up Felons. Don't assume your safe by being outside the US if you are selling this type of content to US citizens.

If you are making money from the US illegally they will come and get you with the exception of the handful of countries that won't allow their citizens to be extradited.

Here are Canada's extradition treaties.

# Bilateral Treaties Involving International Extradition

* Originally signed December 3, 1971
* Entered into Force March 22, 1976
* Exchange of Notes signed June 28, 1974; July 9, 1974
* Exchange of Notes Entered into Force March 22, 1976
* Supplementary signed January 11, 1988
* Supplementary Entered into Force November 26, 1991
* Supplementary signed January 12, 2001


# Bilateral Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) in Criminal Matters

* Originally signed March 18, 1985
* Entered into Force January 24, 1990


# Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft (Hague)

* Opened for Signature December 16, 1970
* Entered into Force for the United States October 14, 1977


# Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Civil Aviation (Montreal)

* Opened for Signature September 23, 1971
* Entered into Force for the United States January 26, 1973


# Protocol for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts of Violence at Airports Serving International Civil Aviation (Montreal)

* Opened for Signature February 24, 1988
* Entered into Force for the United States November 18, 1994


# Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (Vienna) (1988 Vienna Drug Convention)

* Opened for Signature December 20, 1988
* Entered into Force for the United States November 11, 1990


# Protocol Amending the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961 (1972 Protocol to Single Convention)

* Opened for Signature March 25, 1972
* Entered into Force for the United States August 8, 1975


# Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes Against Internationally Protected Persons, Including Diplomatic Agents (United Nations)

* Opened for Signature December 14, 1973
* Entered into Force for the United States February 20, 1977


# International Convention Against the Taking of Hostages (United Nations)

* Opened for Signature December 18, 1979
* Entered into Force for the United States January 6, 1985


# Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (United Nations)

* Opened for Signature December 10, 1984
* Entered into Force for the United States November 20, 1994


# Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Material (United Nations)

* Opened for Signature October 26, 1979
* Entered into Force for the United States February 8, 1987


# Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation (Rome)

* Opened for Signature March 10, 1988
* Entered into Force for the United States March 6, 1995


# Protocol for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Fixed Platforms Located on the Continental Shelf (Rome)

* Opened for Signature March 10, 1988
* Entered into Force for the United States March 6, 1995


# Inter-American Convention Against Corruption (O.A.S.)

* Signed by the United States June 2, 1996
* Entered into Force for the United States September 29, 2000


# Convention on Combating Bribery of Foreign Public Officials in International Business Transactions (O.E.C.D.)

* Signed by the United States December 17, 1997
* Entered into Force for the United States February 15, 1999


# Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and other Related Materials

* Signed by the United States November 14, 1997


# Inter-American Convention on Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters

* A party to the treaty as of January 29, 2002


# Agreements Regarding Mutual Assistance Between Customs Services

* Originally signed June 20, 1984
* Entered into Force January 8, 1985


# Securities Enforcement Memorandums of Understanding and Agreements

* Originally signed December 9, 1991


# Bilateral Commodities Futures Trading Memoranda of Understanding

* Originally signed May 30, 1995


# Multilateral Commodities Futures Trading Memoranda of Understanding (As of January 1, 2001)

* Amended March 1998


# Income Tax Treaties

* Originally signed September 26, 1980
* Entered into Force August 16, 1984
* Originally signed March 17, 1995
* Entered into Force November 9, 1995
* Originally signed November 9, 1995
* Entered into Force December 16, 1997


# Agreements on Seizure, Forfeiture and Sharing of Criminally Derived Assets (As of January 1, 2001)

* Originally signed March 22, 1995


# Bilateral Treaties Involving International Prisoner Transfer

* Originally signed March 2, 1977
* Entered into Force July 19, 1978


# Convention on the Transfer of Sentenced Persons

* Originally signed March 21, 1983
* Ratified on May 13, 1985
* Entered into Force September 1, 1985


# Inter-American Convention on Serving Criminal Sentences Abroad

* Originally signed July 8, 1994
* Instrument of Ratified Deposited June 4, 1995

To look up your countries extradition treaties:

http://www.usextradition.com/extradition_main.htm

You can't be extradited to the US for doing something that isn't illegal in the country they're trying to extradite you from.

as i said, US laws are shit... sorry, for this...

holy crap...this is getting insane

So you're trying to say that if an American purchases adult content (that is considered illegal or obscene in the U.S.) from a legal Canadian source - the Canadian can be charged under U.S. law?!?!?!?

Cha'...that'd I'd like to see.

If the U.S. gov't doesn't want what they perceive to be illegal content coming in to the country, its their job to stop it at customs. Despite their enormous collective ego and thinking the world revolves around them...U.S. feds can't impose their domestic laws on other sovereign nations.


SilentKnight

www.kastlearchives.com
www.fetishopolis.com
www.chamberofchains.com

feel the love its thick

OK, you better let the Feds know about that cause I don't see any Americans on their most wanted poster.

And terrorism is legal in which countries again?


SilentKnight

www.fetishopolis.com
www.kastlearchives.com
www.chamberofchains.com

i feel bad for all the content prod. & paysite owners in this niche..

BS - youre just falling for the same hype that been going around our industry for the last 8 years - While I know the NCFS organization is a good org and not trying to dis them at all by this - I dont agree with all these idiots posting shit over here as if its brand new stuff - and Im sorry if you take everything that you read out there as fact - but its good to research stuff before posting it - otherwise you tend to cause other people to think that what you are posting is facts - and more importantly contribute to that "times are a -changin" lie - although it was a great song

crap crap ....

I agree with yout assessment. The United States of Amerika can only continue with a Balkanization.

I will take up arms and fight for the cause, will you?

Take a moment and support your 1st Amendment organizations: IFA, FSC, EFF, ACLU, People for the American Way, VSDA, etc.

Don't be totally passive. Do something positive for yourself, your business, your customers, and the USA as a whole.

Awareness is only the first step in achieving change for the better.... Start educating yourself on issues of importance to you, your freedoms, your life.

It has been said, "Every journey begins with a first step."

Its so sad , so much money in our business and most webmasters are so tight with a dollar.If it doesnt effect them at that minute or there is a path of less resistance (aka paying for patent licenses) or if it doesnt show off wealth they wont do it. Thats why its so easy to beat us up as a group.

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