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  • momo
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    #1

    New York Times : Kerry for President

    The New York Times "enthusiastically endorse" John Kerry for President

    "Senator John Kerry goes toward the election with a base that is built more on opposition to George W. Bush than loyalty to his own candidacy. But over the last year we have come to know Mr. Kerry as more than just an alternative to the status quo. We like what we've seen. He has qualities that could be the basis for a great chief executive, not just a modest improvement on the incumbent.

    We have been impressed with Mr. Kerry's wide knowledge and clear thinking - something that became more apparent once he was reined in by that two-minute debate light. He is blessedly willing to re-evaluate decisions when conditions change. And while Mr. Kerry's service in Vietnam was first over-promoted and then over-pilloried, his entire life has been devoted to public service, from the war to a series of elected offices. He strikes us, above all, as a man with a strong moral core."

    "We believe that with John Kerry as president, the nation will do better."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/opinion/17sun1.html
  • bringer
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    #2
    im not registered but the /opinion/ smells fishy
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    • Evil1
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      #3
      The country is completely fucked either way.. both are useless.

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      • baddog
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        #4
        Is this some huge revelation that NY is pro-Kerry? I thought that was a given . . . . so what?

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        • bringer
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          #5
          Originally posted by Evil1
          The country is completely fucked either way.. both are useless.
          bush is worse in many ways
          i hate kerry but my options are limited
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          • momo
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            #6
            Originally posted by baddog
            Is this some huge revelation that NY is pro-Kerry? I thought that was a given . . . . so what?
            hehe yeah new york is very pro-democrat... but the times is read by more than just the people in new york, so its good that they are openly endorsing kerry

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            • bringer
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              #7
              Originally posted by momo
              hehe yeah new york is very pro-democrat... but the times is read by more than just the people in new york, so its good that they are openly endorsing kerry
              uhh, no its not. no new agency should endorse anyone.
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              • baddog
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                #8
                Originally posted by momo
                hehe yeah new york is very pro-democrat... but the times is read by more than just the people in new york, so its good that they are openly endorsing kerry
                right, it is read by people in CA, another pro-Kerry state . . . .your point?

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                • momo
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bringer
                  uhh, no its not. no new agency should endorse anyone.


                  there's already almost 100 newspapers in the states who openly endorsed a candidate over the last few weeks

                  it happens in every election.

                  wake up.

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                  • bringer
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by momo
                    :haha

                    there's already almost 100 newspapers in the states who openly endorsed a candidate over the last few weeks

                    it happens in every election.

                    wake up.
                    i know it happens, i never said it didnt. its hard to fight criticism of being biased and misleading its readers when they publicly support a candidate.
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                    • Evil1
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bringer
                      bush is worse in many ways
                      i hate kerry but my options are limited
                      I live in kerrys state. It's not pretty.. I have to get a permit to put a tent in the yard for my kid to play in. They're trying to make a law where you have to buckle dogs in cars or be fined.. it's all about milking money out of people in any fucking way imaginable. This state is so goddamn fucked up, you can live better on welfare then if you have a job here.

                      I'm all for getting rid of bush, but not at the price of accepting someone from mass or cali.

                      But fuckit.. I have family in canada I can hang with for the next 4 years.. I suggest you people make your backup plans..

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                      • momo
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by baddog
                        right, it is read by people in CA, another pro-Kerry state . . . .your point?
                        lol, the nytimes isin't only read in NY and CA....

                        i know people who subscribe to it / read it and they aren't in NY or CA

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                        • momo
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by bringer
                          i know it happens, i never said it didnt. its hard to fight criticism of being biased and misleading its readers when they publicly support a candidate.
                          all news sources are biased...

                          anyway i just like seeing big news sources come out and say who they endorse... epecially when they are endorsing kerry hehehe

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                          • bringer
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Evil1
                            I live in kerrys state. It's not pretty.. I have to get a permit to put a tent in the yard for my kid to play in. They're trying to make a law where you have to buckle dogs in cars or be fined.. it's all about milking money out of people in any fucking way imaginable. This state is so goddamn fucked up, you can live better on welfare then if you have a job here.

                            I'm all for getting rid of bush, but not at the price of accepting someone from mass or cali.

                            But fuckit.. I have family in canada I can hang with for the next 4 years.. I suggest you people make your backup plans..
                            sounds typical of a democrat ran state. tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs for the people they tell arent accepted in society so they should just live off the system.
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                            • momo
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Evil1
                              But fuckit.. I have family in canada I can hang with for the next 4 years.. I suggest you people make your backup plans..
                              god bless canada

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                              • CDSmith
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                                #16
                                That page contains letters to the editor.... as in opinions of just average people who write in to the paper. It is not the doctrine or the endorsement of the NYTimes itself.

                                Btw, I subscribe to the NYTimes online, and am in Canada.
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                                • baddog
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by momo
                                  lol, the nytimes isin't only read in NY and CA....

                                  i know people who subscribe to it / read it and they aren't in NY or CA
                                  yeah, I am sure the numbers are fucking huge . . . . .where is the rolleyes smiley?

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                                  • baddog
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by bringer
                                    sounds typical of a democrat ran state. tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs for the people they tell arent accepted in society so they should just live off the system.
                                    legal plunder . . . . the government doing something that you or I would go to jail for if we did it.

                                    Stealing from the haves to give to the have nots . . . it was a crime when Robin Hood tried doing it

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                                    • bringer
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                      That page contains letters to the editor.... as in opinions of just average people who write in to the paper. It is not the doctrine or the endorsement of the NYTimes itself.

                                      Btw, I subscribe to the NYTimes online, and am in Canada.
                                      thought so
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                                      • momo
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                        That page contains letters to the editor.... as in opinions of just average people who write in to the paper. It is not the doctrine or the endorsement of the NYTimes itself.

                                        Btw, I subscribe to the NYTimes online, and am in Canada.
                                        last sentence of the article :

                                        "It's on those three grounds that we enthusiastically endorse John Kerry for president."

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                                        • bringer
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                          legal plunder . . . . the government doing something that you or I would go to jail for if we did it.

                                          Stealing from the haves to give to the have nots . . . it was a crime when Robin Hood tried doing it
                                          its a hole they've dug themselves into. i wish people wrote and passed bills to help the people but instead all they care about are the ones voting to give them power. basicly "vote for me and ill make your checks bigger". at the same time, the right is all about outsourcing to help big business, which fucks people out of jobs and causes them to go on public assistance. what a fucked up country this has become.
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                                          • momo
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by bringer
                                            thought so
                                            Kerry collects major endorsement

                                            "The Times, in endorsing Kerry, characterised Bush's presidency as "disastrous" and accused him of "turning the government over to the radical right".

                                            "We are impressed with Mr Kerry's wide knowledge and clear thinking," the Times said in Sunday's editions. "He is blessedly willing to re-evaluate decisions when conditions change."

                                            http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?oneclick=true

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                                            • NiteRain
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by bringer
                                              uhh, no its not. no new agency should endorse anyone.
                                              Lets face the reality of it all. I don't believe anyone can take their opinion totally out of anything they report if they have strong thoughts on it one way or the other. They can mask it, but usually you can see where they are comming from because they defend one side more than the other. Alot of them try to take their views out of the equation by using numbers, hoping that they appear balanced. But as soon as those numbers are off the table, their discussions turn into nothing more than rhetoric; trying to persuade you to their side, to their way of thinking.

                                              I have found in this day and age the news has gotten extremely better at pushing their views on others. So I prefer them to be this way open and to the point, instead of trying to appear that they are fair and balanced.
                                              Last edited by NiteRain; 10-16-2004, 11:13 PM.
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                                              • CDSmith
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by momo
                                                last sentence of the article :

                                                "It's on those three grounds that we enthusiastically endorse John Kerry for president."
                                                It's a written opinion, in the "Opinions" section of the newspaper, hell it even has the word "opinion" right in the url. I don't see the author's name mentioned anywhere, and although I skimmed much of of the article I saw nowhere where it identified that opinion as being the official opinion of the newspaper itself.
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                                                • Centurion
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Evil1
                                                  I live in kerrys state. It's not pretty.. I have to get a permit to put a tent in the yard for my kid to play in. They're trying to make a law where you have to buckle dogs in cars or be fined..
                                                  Ah...you poor baby..how mean and ruthless can this man get!?!?

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                                                  • bringer
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by NiteRain
                                                    Lets face the reality of it all. I don't believe anyone can take their opinion totally out of anything they report if they have strong thoughts on it one way or the other. They can mask it, but usually you can see where they are comming from because they defend one side more than the other. Alot of them try to take their views out of the equation by using numbers, hoping that they appear balanced. But as soon as those numbers are off the table, their discussions turn into nothing more than rhetoric; trying to persuade you to their side, to their way of thinking.

                                                    I have found in this day and age the news has gotten extremely better at pushing their views on someone. So I prefer them to be this way open and to the point, instead of trying to appear that they are fair and balanced.
                                                    its one thing to defend one side more then the other and another issue all togehter only presenting one side as the whole story. i understand its the reality of news today, but its still sad. this is why i usually dont buy quotes from news reports, because as you said, its usually someones opinion rather than fact.
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                                                    • Centurion
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by bringer
                                                      sounds typical of a democrat ran state. tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs for the people they tell arent accepted in society so they should just live off the system.
                                                      what..they support people that hate kids and dogs you're saying?

                                                      gimme a break...lol

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                                                      • bringer
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Centurion
                                                        what..they support people that hate kids and dogs you're saying?

                                                        gimme a break...lol
                                                        where you got that from what i said is beyond me.
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                                                        • Centurion
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by bringer
                                                          where you got that from what i said is beyond me.
                                                          Because your replied to a previous message where someone was bitching about getting a permit and keeping their pooch tied up in the car. I thought it funny that THOSE 2 examples would bring THIS post from you:

                                                          "sounds typical of a democrat ran state. tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs for the people they tell arent accepted in society so they should just live off the system."

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                                                          • bringer
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Centurion
                                                            Because your replied to a previous message where someone was bitching about getting a permit and keeping their pooch tied up in the car. I thought it funny that THOSE 2 examples would bring THIS post from you:

                                                            "sounds typical of a democrat ran state. tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs for the people they tell arent accepted in society so they should just live off the system."
                                                            my reply was an example of WHY they tax so much. they need that extra cash to fund their programs to help the so called needy. try reading it again. "tax in everyway possible to support their entitlement programs"
                                                            Last edited by bringer; 10-16-2004, 11:38 PM.
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                                                            • sandman!
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • momo
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                It's a written opinion, in the "Opinions" section of the newspaper, hell it even has the word "opinion" right in the url. I don't see the author's name mentioned anywhere, and although I skimmed much of of the article I saw nowhere where it identified that opinion as being the official opinion of the newspaper itself.
                                                                fuck you're an idiot. go argue with someone else, i have better things to do.

                                                                oh, and here is a REUTERS article. now fuck off.

                                                                Kerry Talks Economy, Collects Major Endorsement

                                                                "Democratic Sen. John Kerry [...] was later endorsed by the New York Times."

                                                                http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=6520169

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                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by momo
                                                                  fuck you're an idiot. go argue with someone else, i have better things to do.

                                                                  oh, and here is a REUTERS article. now fuck off.

                                                                  Kerry Talks Economy, Collects Major Endorsement

                                                                  "Democratic Sen. John Kerry [...] was later endorsed by the New York Times."

                                                                  http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=6520169
                                                                  Momo, what is this "idiot" and "fuck you" shit you're pulling? Are you this much of a whiney pussy? I thought we were just talking here, so what if my take on it differ from yours?

                                                                  Christ I thought you were better than this. Obviously I had you all wrong.
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                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Christ but some of you here lately are so fucking touchy you go off like suicide bombers.


                                                                    Momo, grow the fuck up.
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                                                                    • momo
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                      Momo, what is this "idiot" and "fuck you" shit you're pulling? Are you this much of a whiney pussy? I thought we were just talking here, so what if my take on it differ from yours?

                                                                      Christ I thought you were better than this. Obviously I had you all wrong.
                                                                      lol, just talking. right.

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                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by momo
                                                                        lol, just talking. right.
                                                                        That's exactly right. As far as i was concerned this is just another discussion. Big deal.

                                                                        Have you always gone from zero to bitch so quickly?
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                                                                        • momo
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                          That's exactly right. As far as i was concerned this is just another discussion. Big deal.

                                                                          Have you always gone from zero to bitch so quickly?
                                                                          Just trying to create some entertainment for a boring saturday night.

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                                                                          • Manowar
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Vote Kerry

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                                                                            • CDSmith
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by momo
                                                                              Just trying to create some entertainment for a boring saturday night.

                                                                              Well why didn't you say so?

                                                                              Bitch. You couldn't argue your way around Bush for fuck sakes. Puke, choke and die pole smoker, and if you ever cock off at me like that again it'll be 'head meet ass' time for you. Btw, your eyes look like a clit-to-clit shot.




                                                                              There, how was that?
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                                                                              • momo
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                Well why didn't you say so?

                                                                                Bitch. You couldn't argue your way around Bush for fuck sakes. Puke, choke and die pole smoker, and if you ever cock off at me like that again it'll be 'head meet ass' time for you. Btw, your eyes look like a clit-to-clit shot.


                                                                                There, how was that?

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                                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by momo
                                                                                  Imagine the wallup that would have packed if I'd been serious.


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                                                                                  • momo
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                    Imagine the wallup that would have packed if I'd been serious.



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                                                                                    • smack
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      VOTE KERRY!!!!
                                                                                      Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                      • uno
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                        Is this some huge revelation that NY is pro-Kerry? I thought that was a given . . . . so what?
                                                                                        The complete gal of the media putting an opinion piece in the opinion section!
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                                                                                        • uno
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by bringer
                                                                                          uhh, no its not. no new agency should endorse anyone.
                                                                                          It's an opinion piece in the opinion section.
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                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by uno
                                                                                            It's an opinion piece in the opinion section.
                                                                                            Where have I head that before?
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                                                                                            • bringer
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by uno
                                                                                              It's an opinion piece in the opinion section.
                                                                                              thats what i thought, but was mislead by momo, who also said they were hiding WMD in their news room.
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                                                                                              • NiteRain
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                It's a written opinion, in the "Opinions" section of the newspaper, hell it even has the word "opinion" right in the url. I don't see the author's name mentioned anywhere, and although I skimmed much of of the article I saw nowhere where it identified that opinion as being the official opinion of the newspaper itself.
                                                                                                Actually, I have an online account for the NYTimes, and they seem to position it under the Editor's opinion, not that of an outside party.
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                                                                                                • momo
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by uno
                                                                                                  It's an opinion piece in the opinion section.
                                                                                                  of course its an opinion piece but its still an official endorsement... its usually how a newspaper endorses a candidate, via the editorial.

                                                                                                  http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=6520169

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                                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by NiteRain
                                                                                                    Actually, I have an online account for the NYTimes, and they seem to position it under the Editor's opinion, not that of an outside party.
                                                                                                    Like I said, I didn't see an author's name anywhere, no one seemed to sign off on it at all other than the fact that it reads like an opinion and is in the opinions section.

                                                                                                    I have no problem with Kerry per se, or the NYTimes for that matter. I have no ulterior motive for being on this thread other than the article looks to me like an opinion piece rather than an official declaration from the paper itself. That's all. I could be wrong, and if I am, big deal.

                                                                                                    At least I got momo to relax.
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