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  • Adult Site Traffic
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    • Mar 2003
    • 5093

    #1

    Bad business by PayPal: Mainstream discrimination is now on the agenda ?

    Assholes. I can't wait until the day they crash and burn. I wonder how many times they've been sued now and for how many millions of dollars:

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    LOS ANGELES ? Just as PayPal resolved the technical problems that plagued it in the last week, new reports have begun to circulate suggesting that the Internet payment processor may be narrowing its acceptable use policy to exclude gay mainstream websites, XBiz was told Friday.
    Since July, several mainstream companies that target gay audiences, including a book publisher and a group of business consultants, have been dropped by PayPal for violating its acceptable use policy, even though the businesses are not sexually oriented. BadPuppy.com and its subsidiary sites, including well-known gay news website GayToday.com, were also dropped.

    ?This policy is of such abject stupidity that it?s complete bullshit,? Perry Brass, owner of Belhue Press, told XBiz Friday. ?It could have come directly out of the Bush Administration.?

    According to Brass, an award-winning author of, among other things, gay romance novels, PayPal told him that it decided to terminate his account because his website had covers from some of his books on it.

    ?They said the problem was that individuals were touching one another,? said Brass. ?But the pictures on the covers of these novels aren?t any different than straight romance novels.?

    Amanda Pires, a spokesperson for PayPal, said that PayPal does not have a policy that discriminates against sexual orientation.

    Although she was unable to comment on specifics at deadline, Pires told XBiz that the accounts were probably closed because of a violation of PayPal's acceptable use agreement, which includes prohibitions against products that feature full-frontal nudity.

    According to the acceptable use policy, the company prohibits, ?any material or services suggesting sexual activity, any material or services designed to sexually arouse the viewer or reader, [and] non-adult services whose website marketing can be reasonably misconstrued as allowed adult material or services to be purchase using PayPal.?

    "The point of [shutting down the accounts] is not to discriminate against sexual orientation," said Pires. "The point is that we're trying to deter people from violating the acceptable use policy."

    Pires also pointed out that PayPal's decision to close down accounts that deal in adult-oriented material was a business decision and not a moral one.

    "When we exited doing business with the adult entertainment industry, it was because of the risk and fraud that seem to be common in it," Pires said.

    According to Pires, the risk involved in dealing with the adult industry was too great to justify.

    Also dropped by PayPal was H.I.M. Corp., whose website reads, ?Your Gay and Lesbian Business Consultants.?

    ?Connecting businesses, large and small, with the Gay & Lesbian Marketplace,? reads the H.I.M. Corp. website. It also says the company offers ?turn-key software solutions? for gay businesses.

    Matt Skallerud, president of H.I.M. Corp., stated that the only possible websites that may have had adult-material on them would be two personals websites that his company runs. However, the content on those sites would only be available to members.

    ?I can only assume that they consider these sites adult by their very nature [of being gay] and not because there was actually adult material in them,? Skallerud told online newsletter PressPass Q in September.

    ?This is purely an attempt to censor websites,? said Brass. ?My site hasn?t changed since it was originally reviewed when I joined PayPal.?

    Brass also questions PayPal?s actions after they notified him, suggesting that the company engaged in doubletalk and contradictions in its dealings.

    ?First, I got an email saying that the PayPal account for my website had been terminated. Then, when I went out to check my account, it said it was on ?limited usage,? which basically meant that they?d keep all money from my website for six months,? said Brass. ?To get the account reinstated, they said I?d have to remove all the book covers and sign an affidavit saying I?d never violate their policy again.?

    ?I basically told them to go to hell,? Brass said.

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  • Adult Site Traffic
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    • Mar 2003
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    #2
    Next up:

    Paypal bans sites owned by handicapped people.

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    • sickkittens
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      • Jul 2002
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      #3
      That's gay.

      I wonder how many of Paypal's employees are gay.

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      • Steen2
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        • Feb 2004
        • 7662

        #4
        Originally posted by sickkittens

        I wonder how many of Paypal's employees are gay.
        I wonder where this came from and what their employees think about it.
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        • Furious_Male
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          • Oct 2003
          • 16884

          #5
          I wonder what they have as an ultimate game plan. Where do the heads of this company see it in 5 years. Its starting to sound like BushPal
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          • xclusive
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            • Apr 2004
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            #6
            what fucking idiots stock holders can't be too happy...

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            • pornguy
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              • Mar 2003
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              #7
              As long as the sticks are doing ok, the holders dont give a shit.

              at this rate, in 5 years Payapl will have excluded them selves out of business.
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              • Drake
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                • Mar 2003
                • 12508

                #8
                That is so dumb

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                • 421Fill
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                  • Nov 2001
                  • 20659

                  #9
                  I think discrimination of any kind is wrong, but why are they using BadPuppy as an example? It is an adult site.

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                  • BRISK
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    #10
                    Welcome the new era of conservativism
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                    • Drake
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 12508

                      #11
                      Would Cheney be for or against this policy considering his daughter is a lesbo but he's a hardline conservative?

                      Sometimes life dealts out its own justice haha

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                      • chase
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                        • Jul 2004
                        • 6019

                        #12
                        Well, they should not allow clothing stores that carry lingerie, or even clubbing clothes, if they do not allow anything that is sexually arousing.
                        Ridiculous. I hope the Gay Rights people wipe the floor with GayPal over this.
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                        • Strife
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                          #13
                          WTF
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                          • SlutFinder
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                            • IntenseCash
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                              • Apr 2003
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                              #15
                              That is really fucked up.
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                              • digifan
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                                • Oct 2002
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                                #16
                                Paypal is a bunch of idiots.
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                                • CraveContent
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                                  • Apr 2004
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                                  #17
                                  Paypal sucks dick, big donkey dick!
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                                  • Steen2
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                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 7662

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by CraveContent
                                    Paypal sucks dick, big donkey dick!
                                    They are the best mainstream processor.
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                                    • Tipsy
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                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 6989

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Steen2
                                      They are the best mainstream processor.
                                      No - they really aren't. They are simply the biggest and unfortunately so big that for a lot of stuff there is no good alternative. A little like MS really. You may hate them but for some stuff (obviously outside of adult in paypals case) you simply cannot be without them.

                                      The problem with their whole anti-adult thing is they've VERY clearly demonstrated that it's nothing to do with risk management. The over-zealous way they do this has turned it into a true which hunt and moved it well away from it simply being about not processing adult because of risk.

                                      Fortunately the stranglehold they have can be broken over time and with enough investment and I think will happen. You simply can't run a company as badly as they do without it eventually affecting your business no matter how big you are.
                                      Last edited by Tipsy; 10-16-2004, 02:40 AM.
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                                      • Manowar
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                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 71528

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Steen2
                                        They are the best mainstream processor.
                                        not the best, the biggest.

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                                        • beemk
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                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 20829

                                          #21
                                          cant they get sued over this?
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