It is pretty basic too - pantyhose and stockings are not the same thing. If you are running a generic nylon site then fine but it is amazing to me how many sites calling themselves a stockings site or a pantyhose site don't appear to even know what they are.
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hahaha so very true many niches have this issue, sites called themselves bondage sites yet all they have is some girl getting spanked
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Agreed. When it comes to that micro niche, or feet in general, the assembly line porn dudes always get it wrong.
Pantyhose, stocking, vintage, fishnet, thigh high, reinforced, and so on and so on.
The stocking lovers WILL correct you, and if you do not know what you are doing, it's a complete turn off to the stocking/foot lover. So good luck for those thinking they can conquer it.
You'll need it.
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Pantyhose isn't even a microniche..nor are stockings..they are fetishes which are separate from one another unless the fetish is for the nylon. There are then tons of micro niches within them both but they are each proper niches of their own.
As intense as the stocking guys are pantyhose surfers simply will not take stockings as an answer ..lolComment
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Alright.. i'm guilty... ill revisit my stocking TGP and get it right this time.i like wafflesComment
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thanks soooooo much we been in the leg/stockings niche
for long time and u would be surprised how many people
dont know the difference between pantyhose and nylons/stockings.
I have a real stocking site on my program www.stockingstars.com no
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So Sarah, are you into hose or stockings? ;)ICQ: 61462417Comment
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I had a girl throw on stockings for a pantyhose site once cause she was supposed to bring them but "forgot", and thats all I had. I am always willing to learn and adapt...so I will not make that mistake again
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Interesting thread. The pantyhose niche can be subdivided into many many niches and one that likes opaque pantyhose, might not like sheer pantyhose and the other way round. Even I get surpriesed sometimes by all the little details that are important to surfers and I thought I know pretty much about pantyhose fetish :-)
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You forgot this phrase toots....
"In your opinion"...
Typically the hierarchy is something like this
1. Foot Fetish (main fetish)
2. Legs (niche within a niche)
3. Feet (as you see each is a part of a bigger classification)
4. Foot Worship (at least how most of the industry would see it)
5. Stockings (which is why you find stocking/pantyhose on foot fetish sites)
6. Pantyhose (which also makes you wrong. Or more accurately, your opinion on the matter)
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I was reading your post thinking "uhhhh duh, lame advice" but then got to thinking; although this is common sense to many of us you are correct, there are loads of dipshits that have no idea.Promote our penis growth and acne books, earn 75% on sales and rebills.
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Which is of course your opinion..they are all related but separate fetishes. There is a good deal of overlap because of the nature of them but people can have a fetish for pantyhose and not really be interested in the body part that it is covering. Just as people can be interested in feet or legs and not care about anything put on them. Micro niches are niches within niches..ie breaking them down to smaller parts of a bigger niche. So, foot fetish is a niche/fetish..pantyhose feet is a micro niche. Pantyhose is a niche/fetish and pantyhose feet are also a micro niche of that niche but both niches/fetishes that are completely separate from one another.You forgot this phrase toots....
"In your opinion"...
Typically the hierarchy is something like this
1. Foot Fetish (main fetish)
2. Legs (niche within a niche)
3. Feet (as you see each is a part of a bigger classification)
4. Foot Worship (at least how most of the industry would see it)
5. Stockings (which is why you find stocking/pantyhose on foot fetish sites)
6. Pantyhose (which also makes you wrong. Or more accurately, your opinion on the matter)
Not to mention that clinically (yeah, I study too much) they are different fetishes simply by the nature of the object/item the fetish is for. A body part fetish is classified differently then a texture or shape, fetish, for example.
So, yeah, I get your break down but they are different fetishes/niches that happen to overlap at parts AND when they do overlap the people from the perspective fetishes/niches are looking for different things out of the picture. A foot guy is primarily focused on the foot whereas a pantyhose guy is more interested in the pantyhose on the foot and what those pantyhose do to the foot when worn, etc.
I have spent WAY too much time researching the nature of fetishes and how they develop in the years I have been (slowly) writing my book and interviewing people who consider themselves to have fetishes. I feel like I should be drawing one of those circle diagrams with interlinking bits to demonstrate.Comment
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Yeah, or even if it's a generic nylon site, knowing the difference between 100% nylon versus cheap blends. Almost all the pics people post in hosiery threads here are of girls who've thrown on the cheapest possible pairs of thigh highs/stay-ups that don't really meet the quality standard for stocking fans or people who specifically want zippy, non-stretchy versus spandexy stuff. Better to call it hosiery or legwear rather than nylon if it's not 100%.Comment
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sooo ... this would be "Stockings" .. correct . ?
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I find neither pantyhose nor stockings sexy at all. But I still know the difference!Comment
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Well, if you really want to get clinical a fetish is a sexual fixation on an inanimate object. So, nylon, stockings, pantyhose would be fetishes while legs, feet, big tits, etc. are not.
In the non-clinical world we're dealing with selling porn, the animate vs inanimate difference is insignificant. The marketing is the same either way. Know what the surfer really wants and provide it.Comment
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It's like saying High Heels or Sneakers. Sure they're both shoes, but completely different....Comment
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If that were true, why would it be called a "foot fetish"? I know it's just a matter of semantics, but still . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism
"Body parts may also be the subject of sexual fetishes (also known as partialism) in which the body part preferred by the fetishist takes a sexual precedence over the owner."Comment
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Yes, in terms of what we're doing as pornographers it's purely semantics. But the clinical (medical) definition is far more restrictive.
The clinical definition of sexual fetishism is a sexual disorder based on recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving the use of nonliving objects (e.g., underwear). It's considered a disorder when it causes distress or impairs life functioning. source
Sarah used the term clinically, and I wanted to clarify.Last edited by Qbert; 11-19-2008, 08:29 PM.Comment
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I thought going into paraphillias would be too much ;) A good chunk of what people list as 'fetish' isn't an actual fetish but is a paraphillia and that includes bondage, etc. All fetishes are paraphillias but not all paraphillias are fetishes.
However, as I have studied it, you can have a fetish for a body part but not a body part which is normally considered sexual. So, a person can have a fetish for feet but not breasts.
As I was taught, the classification of fetishes are broken down to:
Form Fetishes - Essentially, when somebody has a fetish level attraction to an object because of the shape of the item. So, high heel fetishists with a form fetish would be attracted to them due to the shape of the heels. This is why people with this sort of fetish often tend to be fixated on a particular make or brand of shoe because it has a unique shape/form.
Media Fetishes - These are fetishes for a material. So, with pantyhose that would be the nylon (or whatever they were made of) and the various aspects of that material from texture, smell, etc.
Partalism Fetish - This is the exception to the 'inanimate object' rule. This is when the focus of the fetish is on a body part that is not usually the focus of sexual attraction. So, again, breasts, penis, etc are normally considered sexual so you can't technically have a fetish for them but you can have a fetish for feet, hands, bellies, and whatever else.
But yeah..the point of the post was that pantyhose and stockings are different items of clothing.Comment
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism - top paragraph:
"Body parts may also be the subject of sexual fetishes (also known as partialism) in which the body part preferred by the fetishist takes a sexual precedence over the owner."
Then the limited entry at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partialism
"Partialism refers to a sexual interest with an exclusive focus of a specific part of the body.[1] Partialism is categorized as a paraphilia in the DSM-IV-TR of the American Psychiatric Association.[2] Individuals with partialism sometimes describe the anatomy of interest to them as having equal or greater erotic attraction for them as do the genitals.[3]
Partialism, such as for the foot, occurs both in heterosexual and homosexual individuals.[4][5]"
Partialism was taught to me as being a paraphilla group that falls under 'fetish' and they appear to agree. So, you can indeed have a clinical foot fetish and in fact, feet were the body part most often referred to in relation to partialism in my research. However, the whole area is very fluid and 'they' move things around in classification all the time. After all, homosexuality was on the list of clinical paraphillias until rather recently but now isn't.Comment
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It is unbelievable how often webmasters lump pantyhose/stockings/stay ups together -
The nylon stocking fetish is so different to what you see on 99% of pay sites and tgps -
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Or is it a simple case of 80$ per sign up - I'll have some of that - Sling up a few fhg and then move on to the next thing you know fuck all about? (And wonder why all that "highly targetted" niche traffic you get from cj sites will not convert very well)Comment
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good advice Sarah, truth is most of the people that run free sites and even some paysites are fucking retardsComment
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I agree completly. I have seen stayups or pantyhose on porn sites that not even my Grandma would wear. 1.99 $ stuff and you cant fool fetish lovers on this. This is the reason why I only use the best pantyhose you can buy for money. The most expensive one so far was at 150U$
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Perfect timing on this thread, I am just re-starting as a webmaster after a 6+ year break and got a few pantyhose / stockings domains I was planning to go with for one of my first projects. This makes me want to micro niche the sites.Comment
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Sarah let me know when your book comes out. I have www.thepantyhosesite.com and I want to do it right. This thread has been helpfull....so Thanks
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Mmmmm -- so hot and shiny! Love it . . .I agree completly. I have seen stayups or pantyhose on porn sites that not even my Grandma would wear. 1.99 $ stuff and you cant fool fetish lovers on this. This is the reason why I only use the best pantyhose you can buy for money. The most expensive one so far was at 150U$Comment
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Thanks..I put it to the back burner for a bit as life overtook me but I am back to working hard on it. Even if never actually gets published I want to have the accomplishment of finishing it. Plus, either way I have learned a ton which I have put back into my site work.Comment
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I bought a book last year written by Jody Maxwell porn star/phone sex she keep a journal of all the calls and fantasys men had. I have to reference it alittle more, but anything from someone in the trenches is worth a read...it was called "My Private Calls"(someone will ask if I don't put the name...lol)
Best of Luck with your book
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Thank youI bought a book last year written by Jody Maxwell porn star/phone sex she keep a journal of all the calls and fantasys men had. I have to reference it alittle more, but anything from someone in the trenches is worth a read...it was called "My Private Calls"(someone will ask if I don't put the name...lol)
Best of Luck with your book
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