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  • Lensman
    GFY Chaperone
    • Jan 2001
    • 9846
    #1

    Looks like Ibill is blowing off Adult.com's lawyers.

    Still billing some of our customers and and not paying us.

    We want to move our customers to another IPSP, and they are not responding our lawyers.

    I guess keeping our database and our money is more important.

    Looks like lawsuit time. I'll keep everyone posted.
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    • axelcat
      Adult Locals
      • Jun 2002
      • 25450
      #2
      go get them lensman

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        • Dirty F
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2001
          • 59204
          #3
          Interesting.

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            • Doctor Dre
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jan 2001
              • 51692
              #4
              Nice blow the fuckers !!!
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                • DatingGold
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                  • Feb 2003
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                  #5
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                    • TonyL
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2002
                      • 900
                      #6
                      It's against Visa/Mastercard regs to transfer your DB in this manner.

                      -Tony

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                        • Jace
                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 35562
                          #7
                          it looks like ibill is about to have a huge shitstorm from all fronts....i am hearing more and more about them owing money

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                            • Lensman
                              GFY Chaperone
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 9846
                              #8
                              Originally posted by TonyL
                              It's against Visa/Mastercard regs to transfer your DB in this manner.

                              -Tony
                              Not true. It's been done many times before.

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                                • Martin
                                  "Assassins"
                                  • Dec 2001
                                  • 17274
                                  #9
                                  Now ain't that some shit.

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                                    • WiredGuy
                                      Pounding Googlebot
                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 34515
                                      #10
                                      Interesting, keep us posted...
                                      WG
                                      I play with Google.

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                                        • scardog
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 886
                                          #11
                                          It's against Visa/Mastercard regs to transfer your DB in this manner.
                                          I heard it had been done several times in the past as well.

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                                            • BigWebRev
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 1631
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Lensman
                                              Not true. It's been done many times before.
                                              correct, they used to do it all the time. i think they
                                              will give it up in time....like Friday

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                                                • juicylinks
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 122992
                                                  #13
                                                  Hmmmmmmmmm

                                                  Interesting to see how this develops.

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                                                    • stocktrader23
                                                      Let's do some business.
                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                      • 18781
                                                      #14
                                                      Of course Lensman sees a problem with Ibill taking in money from his customers and not releasing it. Now to get the 400 idiots here to understand the point.


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                                                        • ATL_Ryan
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 1519
                                                          #15
                                                          Why are there still Ibill ads on GFY. Seems a little strange doesn't it?

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                                                            • TonyL
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 900
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Lensman
                                                              Not true. It's been done many times before.
                                                              Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. You want to take the customers credit cards you have intially billed under IBill. And export this data to a new processor to process under another descriptor.

                                                              Essentially the customer has agreed to the terms of being billed under the descriptor name of Ibill and you want to change the agreement and terms to another company and account.

                                                              I do not think this is going to be possible "on the record" this may have been done in the backend without Visa/Mastercard directly knowing. But it's unlikely someone with your volume will go un-noticed with todays Visa/Mastercard.

                                                              -Tony

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                                                                • Naughty
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 6479
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Looks like you are paying for their lawyers as well
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                                                                    • scardog
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                      • 886
                                                                      #18
                                                                      What I heard was as long as the bank and new processor agreed, that it can be done, and has been done many times in the past. Of course this is just hearsay, but it is what I heard from someone who would know.

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                                                                        • Headless
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 26727
                                                                          #19
                                                                          WOW... Good luck man!

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                                                                            • Manowar
                                                                              jellyfish  
                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                              • 71528
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Good luck dude

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                                                                                • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                  • 11190
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                  Still billing some of our customers and and not paying us.

                                                                                  We want to move our customers to another IPSP, and they are not responding our lawyers.

                                                                                  I guess keeping our database and our money is more important.

                                                                                  Looks like lawsuit time. I'll keep everyone posted.
                                                                                  We do all of our own in house processing. Let me know if I can help.
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                                                                                    • BoNgHiTtA
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 2176
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Lensman is so pissed, he used two Ands
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                                                                                        • icedemon
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 1022
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                          Not true. It's been done many times before.
                                                                                          I'm just curious if you know for a fact that it has been done before or have you just heard rumors of it being done like most other people have?

                                                                                          It just seems unlikely to me that not only a company would release that information but also a billing company (if your not using your own merchant account) taking on that database and rebilling them would bring on a lot of chargebacks.

                                                                                          I could see this happening if it was done behind closed doors with nobody else knowing about it. Annoucing it on here might of given iBill 2nd thoughts about releasing it. They'll think that every Tom, Dick & Harry will be asking for the database if they give to you now. Or else they don't want to lose a very large customer of theirs with the few customers they have left now.

                                                                                          I'm really curious on how this is going to turn out.
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                                                                                            • Nicky
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                              • 30071
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Well if there is someone that can go after them its Lensman, go get them dude

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                                                                                                • loverboy
                                                                                                  When it rains, it pours
                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                  • 20609
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Lens sees what's best for his customers

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                                                                                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                      best designer on GFY
                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 30307
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by icedemon
                                                                                                      I'm just curious if you know for a fact that it has been done before or have you just heard rumors of it being done like most other people have?

                                                                                                      It just seems unlikely to me that not only a company would release that information but also a billing company (if your not using your own merchant account) taking on that database and rebilling them would bring on a lot of chargebacks.

                                                                                                      I could see this happening if it was done behind closed doors with nobody else knowing about it. Annoucing it on here might of given iBill 2nd thoughts about releasing it. They'll think that every Tom, Dick & Harry will be asking for the database if they give to you now. Or else they don't want to lose a very large customer of theirs with the few customers they have left now.

                                                                                                      I'm really curious on how this is going to turn out.
                                                                                                      Idiot.

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                                                                                                        • woodman
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                          • 433
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by icedemon
                                                                                                          I'm just curious if you know for a fact that it has been done before or have you just heard rumors of it being done like most other people have?

                                                                                                          It just seems unlikely to me that not only a company would release that information but also a billing company (if your not using your own merchant account) taking on that database and rebilling them would bring on a lot of chargebacks.

                                                                                                          I could see this happening if it was done behind closed doors with nobody else knowing about it. Annoucing it on here might of given iBill 2nd thoughts about releasing it. They'll think that every Tom, Dick & Harry will be asking for the database if they give to you now. Or else they don't want to lose a very large customer of theirs with the few customers they have left now.

                                                                                                          I'm really curious on how this is going to turn out.
                                                                                                          ask the aussies if iBill takes databases

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                                                                                                            • JFK
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                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                              • 67369
                                                                                                              #28
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                                                                                                                • whatif_3
                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                  • 459
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by woodman
                                                                                                                  ask the aussies if iBill takes databases
                                                                                                                  or wsb...

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                                                                                                                    • icedemon
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 1022
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                      Idiot.
                                                                                                                      What is your reason for calling me a idiot? You trying to be funny?
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                                                                                                                        • speakthetruth
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                          • 400
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Try to move that DB to Epoch....... They will not let you, per visa.

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                                                                                                                            • BRISK
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                              • 12240
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                                                              they are not responding our lawyers.
                                                                                                                              Damn, I would have thought that they would at least respond to your lawyers. If only to tell them they'll look into it.
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                                                                                                                                • Inde
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 983
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                  Nice blow the fuckers !!!

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                                                                                                                                    • whatif_3
                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 459
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TonyL
                                                                                                                                      Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. You want to take the customers credit cards you have intially billed under IBill. And export this data to a new processor to process under another descriptor.

                                                                                                                                      Essentially the customer has agreed to the terms of being billed under the descriptor name of Ibill and you want to change the agreement and terms to another company and account.

                                                                                                                                      I do not think this is going to be possible "on the record" this may have been done in the backend without Visa/Mastercard directly knowing. But it's unlikely someone with your volume will go un-noticed with todays Visa/Mastercard.

                                                                                                                                      -Tony
                                                                                                                                      a few years ago, this was done on one of my accounts, the customer did not need to agree to it, but they needed to be notifed about the change in billing companies, which tehy were by email

                                                                                                                                      mitch would know more about this, lets get him in here

                                                                                                                                      merchant account gateway processing

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                                                                                                                                        • jewcash
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 1571
                                                                                                                                          #35
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                                                                                                                                            • icedemon
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 1022
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by whatif_3
                                                                                                                                              a few years ago, this was done on one of my accounts, the customer did not need to agree to it, but they needed to be notifed about the change in billing companies, which tehy were by email

                                                                                                                                              mitch would know more about this, lets get him in here

                                                                                                                                              merchant account gateway processing
                                                                                                                                              I've heard about this happening and from what I know, you are allowed to move or have the database if the customer is notified.
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                                                                                                                                                • Tuna
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                                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 1307
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  it will be interesting to see how this turns out.. Good Luck


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                                                                                                                                                    • pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                      Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 11009
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      So what's the fallout to the affiliates? Not good!

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                                                                                                                                                        • pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 11009
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Didn't Medium Pimpin go through this with them awhile back. Don't know all the details, but would be intersting now. Plus their offices were not that far apart at the time.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Lensman
                                                                                                                                                              GFY Chaperone
                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 9846
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I know for a fact that other processors are doing Ibill imports right now.

                                                                                                                                                              Yes, it is allowed, and it's the only proper thing to do right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                • DWB
                                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Go get 'em!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Project-Shadow
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 7340
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Class action?

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                                                                                                                                                                        • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
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                                                                                                                                                                            • sexeducation
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7315
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              If they have your database - can they use it to promote "competitor" products? Is that the iBill.com goal?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Sarah - GTS
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1656
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  eww so sorry to hear they are being assholes about the whole thing. good luck!


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                                                                                                                                                                                    • chaze
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 9774
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                                                                                                                      Still billing some of our customers and and not paying us.

                                                                                                                                                                                      We want to move our customers to another IPSP, and they are not responding our lawyers.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess keeping our database and our money is more important.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Looks like lawsuit time. I'll keep everyone posted.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not surprised I didn't trust them in 2000 and since then I never was willing to deal with them again.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 62910
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Looks like Ibill is headed the same as website billing.

                                                                                                                                                                                          The only difference is that website billing was a much better company.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Webby
                                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 14956
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Lens:

                                                                                                                                                                                              Still billing some of our customers and and not paying us.

                                                                                                                                                                                              We want to move our customers to another IPSP, and they are not responding our lawyers.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I guess keeping our database and our money is more important.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Looks like lawsuit time. I'll keep everyone posted.
                                                                                                                                                                                              If they are simply ignoring communications and, least normally, they are entitled to some time for a response. But under the conditions that are known at the moment - there is an urgent problem and this may be something that needs action now.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I mentioned in an earlier post.. irrespective of all legal bullshit, this is something where time is of the essence. Hours can matter a lot!!

                                                                                                                                                                                              Hopefully this will not happen, but if iBill closed doors tomorrow morning and dumped their papers on a liquidator or similar, - it could take a year or more to unravel some sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                              What good is a member database which is a year out of date?

                                                                                                                                                                                              Wish ya the best on this one - it is not unreasonable for some deal on releasing member databases under these circumstances.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • IntenseCash
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 2421
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TonyL
                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's against Visa/Mastercard regs to transfer your DB in this manner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  -Tony
                                                                                                                                                                                                  We transferred our database twice. Certain processors have certain rules. One processor we transferred with we had to email each customer notifying them they would be billed by a different name. This is a disclosure that visa/mastercard set out and is supossed to be followed because it is written in their disclosure. So don't be surprised it you do move you may have to email each customer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • DatingGold
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13185
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know for a fact that other processors are doing Ibill imports right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, it is allowed, and it's the only proper thing to do right now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why is Ibill allowing it for other clients but not you????
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