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  • stocktrader23
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    • Jan 2003
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    #51
    Originally posted by hagbard
    Thanks, sorry for not catching your point sooner. Question for you. Is airing this film different from airing F911 commercials? Anticipating that your answer might be yes, because the f911 commercials dont necessarily mention Bush, isnt that a technicality?

    Next. Would you like to see F911 on the TV? If it was aired, would that be any less illegal? or is it simply more acceptable in your eyes because the film promotes your politics?
    I'd like F911 on the air simply because I haven't seen it. Personally, I don't care if the Kerry movie is aired or not but as far as I can tell it would be illegal. They are wanting to release it as "news" to get around the law but could you imagine what would be said if F911 was called "news"? A little more on it anyhow...

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-n...home-headlines

    "Cable, however, doesn't have the reach of broadcast stations like Sinclair's, nor is it subject to the same federal regulations. Still, although broadcast stations are required to provide equal time to major candidates in an election campaign, the Sinclair move may not run afoul of those provisions if Kerry or a representative is offered time to respond. Moreover, several sources said Sinclair had told them it planned to classify the program as news, where the rules don't apply.

    Calling it news, however, poses its own problems, said Keith Woods, dean of the faculty at the Poynter Institute, a journalism school in St. Petersburg, Fla., that teaches professional ethics. "To air a documentary intended to provide a one-sided view of Kerry's record and call it news ? it's like calling Michael Moore's movie news," he said, adding that the closer to an election that a controversial news report is aired, the "higher the bar has to go" in terms of fairness."


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      • hagbard
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        • Jul 2004
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        #52
        Originally posted by stocktrader23
        http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/11cfr100.29.htm
        Oh additionally, I didnt read through the entire document you sent me. I'm afraid I have a poor head for legalese. I believe if a candidate or party funds the ad or program, the law has clearly been broken. I seem to recall this from somewhere. If a third party like CBS can air damaging "news" in prime time. In what way is it more illegal for another 3rd party to produce a damaging program which is, arguably, more full of facts than many of the recent news stories. Is it the format of the program?

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          • WickedVenus
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            • Aug 2004
            • 3877
            #53
            Originally posted by hagbard
            Thanks, sorry for not catching your point sooner. Question for you. Is airing this film different from airing F911 commercials? Anticipating that your answer might be yes, because the f911 commercials dont necessarily mention Bush, isnt that a technicality?

            Next. Would you like to see F911 on the TV? If it was aired, would that be any less illegal? or is it simply more acceptable in your eyes because the film promotes your politics?
            yes is would be illegal if they aried it. It is different to show a commercial for a movie, as the movie does not mention any names. read the whole section 11 link that he posted!!! Even though it is illegal, if they can show what they are going to show next week, then they should show f911
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              • hagbard
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                • Jul 2004
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                #54
                Originally posted by stocktrader23

                Calling it news, however, poses its own problems, said Keith Woods, dean of the faculty at the Poynter Institute, a journalism school in St. Petersburg, Fla., that teaches professional ethics. "To air a documentary intended to provide a one-sided view of Kerry's record and call it news ? it's like calling Michael Moore's movie news," he said, adding that the closer to an election that a controversial news report is aired, the "higher the bar has to go" in terms of fairness."
                I apologize for my cross post. Here is the answer I was looking for on format.

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                  • hagbard
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                    • Jul 2004
                    • 309
                    #55
                    Originally posted by WickedVenus
                    yes is would be illegal if they aried it. It is different to show a commercial for a movie, as the movie does not mention any names. read the whole section 11 link that he posted!!! Even though it is illegal, if they can show what they are going to show next week, then they should show f911
                    Ok. I see, so you feel the commercial presents both sides? You feel that "broadcast" refers to full length programs and nothing else? The movie does indeed mention bush. It also shows several congressmen that are up for re-election as well.

                    Again. Once the show airs, if you can show me that it is less factual than an average CNN broadcast I'll be happy to apologize

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                      • WickedVenus
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3877
                        #56
                        Originally posted by hagbard
                        Ok. I see, so you feel the commercial presents both sides? You feel that "broadcast" refers to full length programs and nothing else? The movie does indeed mention bush. It also shows several congressmen that are up for re-election as well.

                        Again. Once the show airs, if you can show me that it is less factual than an average CNN broadcast I'll be happy to apologize
                        The movie mentions Bush but the comercial does not sorry I typed it wrong. You asked would showing a commercial for it be any different. IM not talkign about airing the movie. I meant the commercial. It woudl be illegal for them to show the movie not the commercial.
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                          • chase
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                            • Jul 2004
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                            #57
                            Personally, aside from F911, (which i saw, but , while it did raise some questions, didn't make any radical changes in my stand), the fact that such a powerful media conglomerate is essentially censoring the same sort of "controversial" programs that are in conflict with their beliefs, while pushing for programs that lean towards their personal beliefs, but are just as controversial is what is disturbing to me.
                            CBS refused to air MoveOn.org's "Child's Pay " commercial during the superbowl, claiming they were too controversial.
                            (Click here for the PDF press release) Seemed an excuse to me: Here are some of the reasons why.

                            Then, the Sinclair Broadcasting Group refused to allow eight ABC affiliates to air the Nightline show in which Ted Koppel was to read of the names of US military personnel killed in Iraq. Here is a link to their statement and response to a letter from Senator John McCain asking them to reconsider their order.

                            Were it just one instance of what amounts to censorship, I doubt there would be the type of outcry this is causing, but added atop one another, it is scary to think how little the average citizen is privvy to the truth when the media sits comfortably in a political force's camp.
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                              • WickedVenus
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                                • Aug 2004
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                                #58
                                What these people are doing is totally illegal. I am totally on strike agianst all sinclair chanels!
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                                  • hagbard
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                                    • Jul 2004
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                    The movie mentions Bush but the comercial does not sorry I typed it wrong. You asked would showing a commercial for it be any different. IM not talkign about airing the movie. I meant the commercial. It woudl be illegal for them to show the movie not the commercial.

                                    Thanks. I see your point now. The rhetoric is really flying now. It appears that what the swiftboat vets should do is rewrite their entire show to beep out all mention of "john" or "kerry" and blur his face. The fact that EVERYONE watching knows that they are talking about him will make no difference! It will be just like the commercials for f911. What a great election law loophole. Thankyou Michael Moore

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                                      • WickedVenus
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                                        • Aug 2004
                                        • 3877
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by chase
                                        Personally, aside from F911, (which i saw, but , while it did raise some questions, didn't make any radical changes in my stand), the fact that such a powerful media conglomerate is essentially censoring the same sort of "controversial" programs that are in conflict with their beliefs, while pushing for programs that lean towards their personal beliefs, but are just as controversial is what is disturbing to me.
                                        CBS refused to air MoveOn.org's "Child's Pay " commercial during the superbowl, claiming they were too controversial.
                                        (Click here for the PDF press release) Seemed an excuse to me: Here are some of the reasons why.

                                        Then, the Sinclair Broadcasting Group refused to allow eight ABC affiliates to air the Nightline show in which Ted Koppel was to read of the names of US military personnel killed in Iraq. Here is a link to their statement and response to a letter from Senator John McCain asking them to reconsider their order.

                                        Were it just one instance of what amounts to censorship, I doubt there would be the type of outcry this is causing, but added atop one another, it is scary to think how little the average citizen is privvy to the truth when the media sits comfortably in a political force's camp.

                                        This is horrible!!!! I hate siclair and I am gogn to email them every hour until I get a response back! This si an outrage what they are doing!
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                                          • WickedVenus
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                                            • Aug 2004
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                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by hagbard
                                            Thanks. I see your point now. The rhetoric is really flying now. It appears that what the swiftboat vets should do is rewrite their entire show to beep out all mention of "john" or "kerry" and blur his face. The fact that EVERYONE watching knows that they are talking about him will make no difference! It will be just like the commercials for f911. What a great election law loophole. Thankyou Michael Moore
                                            hmm you must be voting for bush! So its ok for sinclair to not show things that have to do with bush, but will show things that have to do wih kerry!

                                            Fine sinclair can show that video as long as they show f911 after that.
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                                              • hagbard
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                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                This is horrible!!!! I hate siclair and I am gogn to email them every hour until I get a response back! This si an outrage what they are doing!
                                                Thats a good idea. if I were you I would register a domain thats just insulting enough to cause offence but not enough to get sued over it and host a copy of F911. Put your money where your mouth is. THEN, to really maximize the effect, pay affiliates $.50 per download of it to ensure that as many people as possible see it. I figure with the swift boat vets getting 4 million in donations from their site, I would figure you could make a LOT on donations to cover your bandwidth. THAT would sure be a lot more effective and should show sinclair who's boss ;)

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                                                  • Sassy Girl
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                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                    [url]when is Fahrenheit 9/11 going to be aired?
                                                    Your hero, Michael Moore, was yapping his lips about putting his movie on TV for everyone to see just before the election. Remember how he was trying to play the national hero by letting the country see the movie for free? Now he is in negotiations to have it on pay per view the night before the election and you can watch it for ONLY 9.95.

                                                    I guess it was all about money and not about getting a message out, huh? That is all Michael Moore has ever been about. Twist the truth and spread lies to make a buck.

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                                                      • mardigras
                                                        Bon temps!
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 14194
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Probono
                                                        No one has more interest in Bush being relected than those who were rewarded by his new corporate tax cut that just made it out of the Senate today. Special interests know where their bread and butter comes from.
                                                        Ding ding ding...
                                                        What is the truth for $1000, Alex...
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                                                          • Praguer
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                                                            • Dec 2002
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                                                            #65
                                                            Largest TV chain orders all 62 stations to show Anti-Kerry Film Next Week
                                                            That would be illegal in any DEMOCRATIC and FREE country of the world.

                                                            Bush and his supporters tactics would be the pride of any thrid world dictator.

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                                                              • WickedVenus
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                                                                • Aug 2004
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                Thats a good idea. if I were you I would register a domain thats just insulting enough to cause offence but not enough to get sued over it and host a copy of F911. Put your money where your mouth is. THEN, to really maximize the effect, pay affiliates $.50 per download of it to ensure that as many people as possible see it. I figure with the swift boat vets getting 4 million in donations from their site, I would figure you could make a LOT on donations to cover your bandwidth. THAT would sure be a lot more effective and should show sinclair who's boss ;)
                                                                Bob wilson is a staunch kerry advocate, and your using his characters name.
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                                                                  • mardigras
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                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                    • 14194
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by chase
                                                                    Were it just one instance of what amounts to censorship, I doubt there would be the type of outcry this is causing, but added atop one another, it is scary to think how little the average citizen is privvy to the truth when the media sits comfortably in a political force's camp.
                                                                    And the beat goes on...
                                                                    .

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                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 14194
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                        Fine sinclair can show that video as long as they show f911 after that.
                                                                        Their customes should tell them that
                                                                        .

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                                                                          • Morgan
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                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                            • 10520
                                                                            #69
                                                                            kerry should give away free farenheit 911 dvd's to all who vote for him. before the election of course.
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                                                                              • hagbard
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                                                                                • Jul 2004
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
                                                                                kerry should give away free farenheit 911 dvd's to all who vote for him. before the election of course.

                                                                                Thats so illegal it doesnt even pop up as an option. Moore is in trouble at the moment for giving college kids GAG gifts in exchange for voting for kerry.

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                                                                                  • mardigras
                                                                                    Bon temps!
                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                    • 14194
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                    Their customes should tell them that
                                                                                    customers, that is
                                                                                    .

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                                                                                      • hagbard
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                                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                                        • 309
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                        Bob wilson is a staunch kerry advocate, and your using his characters name.
                                                                                        Actually, I'm taking the name from a German hacker who stole it from Wilson. Also, I enjoy the movie "The Game" but I think Sean Penn is an idiot. go figure.

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                                                                                          • TheJimmy
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                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 10747
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Probono
                                                                                            ....

                                                                                            In essence follow the money in all cases. The media in this country was once owned by many different interests it is consolidating. CNN was once liberal, now it is part of Time Warner. NBC was once liberal now is ownerd by General Electric. Radio stations used to be locally owned now most are owned by Clear Channel. No one has more interest in Bush being relected than those who were rewarded by his new corporate tax cut that just made it out of the Senate today. Special interests know where their bread and butter comes from.



                                                                                            hitting the nail on the head is what I'd call that...
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                                                                                              • WickedVenus
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                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                • 3877
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                                                Actually, I'm taking the name from a German hacker who stole it from Wilson. Also, I enjoy the movie "The Game" but I think Sean Penn is an idiot. go figure.
                                                                                                your still robbing from a liberal.
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                                                                                                  • chase
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                    And the beat goes on...
                                                                                                    Explain, please, lol
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                                                                                                      • kane
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                                                                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                                                                        • 20684
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                                                        Got a few questions for all the liberal folks out there.. And you can attack me and convince me that liberals really ARE reactionary little girls, or you can respond intelligently and very possibly influence my vote:

                                                                                                        If M Moore puts out a movie that rakes in MILLIONS and distrobutes it through Sony (a company that sells at Walmart, which Moore claims to hate even though a substantial part of his income comes from it). If he is allowed to make an anti-bush film using sensational and questionable documentary techniques (its his job) then why cant the right do it? Is it that the right didnt decide to charge you $7 a pop for it? Is it that the right isnt putting it out on DVD for $18? That same media group BTW "ordered" its stations to air "Reagan" Was that an evil right wing tactic as well?

                                                                                                        When CBS airs the Bush docs story using faked docs, did you post about how the left was trying to sabotage things? Have you written Sony pictures and asked them to release F911 to TV audiences 3 weeks after a DVD release? The fact of it is that Moore makes MONEY for a living. He didnt want to release the film on TV or through viral internet marketing because he wouldnt make MONEY. Why is it that its only when the RIGHT makes money that its evil, but when the left does it its ok?

                                                                                                        I'm obviously leaning right. Again, you can attack me GFY style or you can answer my questions and possibly (honestly) get a Kerry vote from me. I'm always ready to learn. Also dont attack my spelling, I'm on a machine without a spell checker.
                                                                                                        the main problem with them airing it in this fashion is that it violates the new election laws that were inacted from the mccain finegold (sp?) bill.

                                                                                                        Basically what that bill said is that any TV station and or network can sell ad space to political parties/persons and air it. This is no different then selling a commercial space to any company selling a product. What they can't do is give them free time. By forcing the affiliates to air this show commercial free he is basically giving the bush campaign 2 free hours of TV time. You can argue that this is not a pro-bush film but instead it's a film about kerry but that would be up to a court to decide who's correct in that argument. If it is found that this film is anti-kerry and thus pro-bush this network, under the campaign finance laws, would have to supply kerry with the same amount of free time in a comparable timeslot.

                                                                                                        in california they had a situation with arnold running for governor. They couldn't air any arnold movies on broadcast TV because it would be considered free advertsing and they would then have had to give the other 834 ( or however many there were ) candidates similar free time.

                                                                                                        If it is ruled that this is not an anti-kerry film and doesn't help bush, then I think they can go ahead and show it. It will be interesting nevertheless. I won't be watching it, I don't watch TV ( except for football ) but I don't think it will do much harm to Kerry. F911 did nearly 120 million at the box office and is selling truckloards of DVD's and it didn't seem to do any massive damage to bush. I think anti-bush people were the main base for F911 just like anti-kerry people will be tunning in to see this movie.
                                                                                                        Last edited by kane; 10-11-2004, 02:26 PM.

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                                                                                                          • WickedVenus
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                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                            • 3877
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                                                            Got a few questions for all the liberal folks out there.. And you can attack me and convince me that liberals really ARE reactionary little girls, or you can respond intelligently and very possibly influence my vote:

                                                                                                            If M Moore puts out a movie that rakes in MILLIONS and distrobutes it through Sony (a company that sells at Walmart, which Moore claims to hate even though a substantial part of his income comes from it). If he is allowed to make an anti-bush film using sensational and questionable documentary techniques (its his job) then why cant the right do it? Is it that the right didnt decide to charge you $7 a pop for it? Is it that the right isnt putting it out on DVD for $18? That same media group BTW "ordered" its stations to air "Reagan" Was that an evil right wing tactic as well?

                                                                                                            When CBS airs the Bush docs story using faked docs, did you post about how the left was trying to sabotage things? Have you written Sony pictures and asked them to release F911 to TV audiences 3 weeks after a DVD release? The fact of it is that Moore makes MONEY for a living. He didnt want to release the film on TV or through viral internet marketing because he wouldnt make MONEY. Why is it that its only when the RIGHT makes money that its evil, but when the left does it its ok?

                                                                                                            I'm obviously leaning right. Again, you can attack me GFY style or you can answer my questions and possibly (honestly) get a Kerry vote from me. I'm always ready to learn. Also dont attack my spelling, I'm on a machine without a spell checker.
                                                                                                            OK the fact is that they are actually airing it against FEC regulations. Also by them posting it, they are not making any money off of it, they are posting it at the wrong time. Sinclair also is against anything anti bush! They wont show things that bash bush but they will show things that bash kerry. It is unprofessional.
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                                                                                                              • Rich
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                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                Thank you liberal media thats a catch phrase the pundits use to say we are on your side .
                                                                                                                That's a catch phrase they use to make people think the corporate media isn't a republican propaganda machine.

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                                                                                                                  • hagbard
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                                                    your still robbing from a liberal.
                                                                                                                    I'm not sure what you're getting at here... Frankly I chose the name based on Karl Koch. If I'm "Stealing" from a liberal here where is my gain? I would venture that 80% of the people on the board have never read the books and dont make the connection. Remember that Hagbard Celine was an anarchist. Maybe you can bash me on that

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                                                                                                                      • hagbard
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                        the main problem with them airing it in this fashion is that it violates the new election laws that were inacted from the mccain finegold (sp?) bill.

                                                                                                                        Basically what that bill said is that any TV station and or network can sell ad space to political parties/persons and air it. This is no different then selling a commercial space to any company selling a product. What they can't do is give them free time. By forcing the affiliates to air this show commercial free he is basically giving the bush campaign 2 free hours of TV time. You can argue that this is not a pro-bush film but instead it's a film about kerry but that would be up to a court to decide who's correct in that argument. If it is found that this film is anti-kerry and thus pro-bush this network, under the campaign finance laws, would have to supply kerry with the same amount of free time in a comparable timeslot.

                                                                                                                        in california they had a situation with arnold running for governor. They couldn't air any arnold movies on broadcast TV because it would be considered free advertsing and they would then have had to give the other 834 ( or however many there were ) candidates similar free time.

                                                                                                                        If it is ruled that this is not an anti-kerry film and doesn't help bush, then I think they can go ahead and show it. It will be interesting nevertheless. I won't be watching it, I don't watch TV ( except for football ) but I don't think it will do much harm to Kerry. F911 did nearly 120 million at the box office and is selling truckloards of DVD's and it didn't seem to do any massive damage to bush. I think anti-bush people were the main base for F911 just like anti-kerry people will be tunning in to see this movie.

                                                                                                                        Venus. Take some debate lessons from Kane. I'm shutting up now. Kane is clearly correct in his argument and totally negates my assertions.

                                                                                                                        Kane. I think you're right, really. This is a case of people trying to preach to the converted for the most part. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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                                                                                                                          • kane
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                                                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                            • 20684
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                                                                            Venus. Take some debate lessons from Kane. I'm shutting up now. Kane is clearly correct in his argument and totally negates my assertions.

                                                                                                                            Kane. I think you're right, really. This is a case of people trying to preach to the converted for the most part. It will be interesting to see what happens.
                                                                                                                            I agree. I think there may be a few people who are still undecided that will be swayed by this show ( maybe, it's hard to say because nobody has yet seen the show ) just like a few undecided voters were probably swayed by F911. I know who I'm voting for and I made up my mind sperate from the propaganda. I saw F911 and thought it was funny in parts, insiteful in parts and probably not very accurate in other parts but it didn't sway me one way or the other. It is possible that this anit-kerry show will actually have the opposite effect and just end up pissing people off. If one thing is certian it is that some voters will vote for or against candidates for the dumbest and strangest reseaons. I remeber reading that 5% of women voted for Clinton just because they thought he was sexy. That amazes me.

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                                                                                                                              • WickedVenus
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                #82
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                                                                                                                                  • hagbard
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                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 309
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                    I agree. I think there may be a few people who are still undecided that will be swayed by this show ( maybe, it's hard to say because nobody has yet seen the show ) just like a few undecided voters were probably swayed by F911. I know who I'm voting for and I made up my mind sperate from the propaganda. I saw F911 and thought it was funny in parts, insiteful in parts and probably not very accurate in other parts but it didn't sway me one way or the other. It is possible that this anit-kerry show will actually have the opposite effect and just end up pissing people off. If one thing is certian it is that some voters will vote for or against candidates for the dumbest and strangest reseaons. I remeber reading that 5% of women voted for Clinton just because they thought he was sexy. That amazes me.
                                                                                                                                    Hehe, it IS amazing the reasons people have for what they do. I will likely vote Bush if he firms up his national sales tax system. I am interested in Kerry's complaints about tax relief for the middle classes and his disdain for upper class tax breaks when he personally paid 12% taxes last time around and bush paid 30% while bush made 1 tenth the income. Its a funny world when its run by politicians

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                                                                                                                                      • stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                        Let's do some business.
                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 18781
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by hagbard
                                                                                                                                        Hehe, it IS amazing the reasons people have for what they do. I will likely vote Bush if he firms up his national sales tax system. I am interested in Kerry's complaints about tax relief for the middle classes and his disdain for upper class tax breaks when he personally paid 12% taxes last time around and bush paid 30% while bush made 1 tenth the income. Its a funny world when its run by politicians
                                                                                                                                        You act as if Kerry personally filled out his tax form. See these rich people have something called accountants. Their job includes taking advantage of the current law where you pay as little tax as possible. Now you blame Kerry for having a good accountant?


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                                                                                                                                          • hagbard
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                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 309
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by WickedVenus
                                                                                                                                            your still robbing from a liberal.
                                                                                                                                            lol. I love it. I did a LITTLE checking on Bob Wilson.

                                                                                                                                            Here is the website of the "liberal" who's character's name I'm blatantly stealing:
                                                                                                                                            http://www.gunsanddope.com/

                                                                                                                                            Now I'm begining to like him

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                                                                                                                                              • hagbard
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 309
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                                You act as if Kerry personally filled out his tax form. See these rich people have something called accountants. Their job includes taking advantage of the current law where you pay as little tax as possible. Now you blame Kerry for having a good accountant?
                                                                                                                                                That is as textbook a liberal answer as I have ever seen. If a conservative sets up tax shelters and cheats the system, contributing less than his peers to the nation, then he is a "typical right wing capitalist bastard" Course, if its the lefties doing it, its just sound accounting

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                                                                                                                                                  • hagbard
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Oh, and to really stretch a metaphor where there really isnt one, you're suggesting that Bush actually shot all those soldiers? Kerry is the only one ultimately responsible for the end outcome of his filings, just as Bush is ultimately responsible for his orders. I think its the double standards on both sides that really make me ill

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