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10-11-2004, 09:42 AM

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The big money Republican machine.............where's the so called ownership of the liberal media........when is Fahrenheit 9/11 going to be aired?
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10-11-2004, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/11/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

The big money Republican machine.............where's the so called ownership of the liberal media........when is Fahrenheit 9/11 going to be aired?

yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

this will be the first time I vote and I sure hope many here will do the same not just talk about it

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10-11-2004, 10:16 AM

get out and vote!
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10-11-2004, 10:19 AM

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yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

this will be the first time I vote and I sure hope many here will do the same not just talk about it

This will also be my first time voting.

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10-11-2004, 10:20 AM

Why am I not surprised? If Bush wins like he did last time where something funk happened, do you think a revolt or anything would happen?

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10-11-2004, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

this will be the first time I vote and I sure hope many here will do the same not just talk about it

I hope you will be voting for Kerry.
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10-11-2004, 10:22 AM

that is fucking retarted. why isn't shit like that illegal?
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10-11-2004, 10:23 AM

Remember this are the same stations that refused to air the names of the dead soldiers.

Companies like this should not be able to broadcast on public airwaves. They're owned by the public, and companies who rent them are supposed to be serving the people, not one extreme political agenda.
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10-11-2004, 10:25 AM

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Remember this are the same stations that refused to air the names of the dead soldiers.

Companies like this should not be able to broadcast on public airwaves. They're owned by the public, and companies who rent them are supposed to be serving the people, not one extreme political agenda.

exactly. i don't want some right wing propaganda literally passing through my body.
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10-11-2004, 10:25 AM

This really is bullshit and I wonder how it will go along with the election rules?

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10-11-2004, 10:26 AM

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10-11-2004, 10:26 AM

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I hope you will be voting for Kerry.

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10-11-2004, 10:27 AM

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10-11-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

this will be the first time I vote and I sure hope many here will do the same not just talk about it

This has nothing to do with Kerry people not voting, this has to do with the right media controlling the election. This should be illegal. This could very well decide the election.
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10-11-2004, 10:29 AM

I surely don't understand why shit like this isn't banned.

I don't even think politcal commercials on TV should be allowed.

#1, they waste so much fucking money.
#2, just let the candidates have more debates. Commercials are shit, and crap.
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10-11-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

this will be the first time I vote and I sure hope many here will do the same not just talk about it

actually I disagree that bush is going to win...

there are a lot of people that voted for that wackjob the first time that I don't think he's counted on LOOSING this time around...

Kerry is a politician, that's all the Bush camp has prooven so far...that's not enough to cause most disgrunted bush supports to vote against him this time...

I do agree that the slackers need to get off their asses for a change and vote, takes a few minutes to do...just add it to the front of a trip to the liquor store or shopping...

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10-11-2004, 10:32 AM

can they really pull this off?
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10-11-2004, 10:36 AM

Time for another stocktrader23 prediction.

I forsee this blowing up in Bush's face one way or another whether it ever airs or not.

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10-11-2004, 10:36 AM

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can they really pull this off?

Money talks. It looks like they are going to meet some resistance lets hope its enough to keep this bullshit off the air.

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10-11-2004, 10:39 AM

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Money talks. It looks like they are going to meet some resistance lets hope its enough to keep this bullshit off the air.

yeah. if they air that, they should air fahrenheit 911, just to be fair.
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10-11-2004, 10:40 AM

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yeah. if they air that, they should air fahrenheit 911, just to be fair.

When have you ever known conservatives to be fair?
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10-11-2004, 10:42 AM

Do like the republicans often do.. BOYCOTT !
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10-11-2004, 10:43 AM

That's it. Bush will win.

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10-11-2004, 10:44 AM

And the next shit is: Michael Hates America

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10-11-2004, 10:48 AM

Ya I agree when r they going to show the Fahrenheit 9/11 movie.I saw it last weekend ,man makes u think twice about Bush.I think it is time to have a new PRESIDENT>
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10-11-2004, 10:50 AM

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And the next shit is: Michael Hates America

zzz it's not Michael Hates America is:Michael Moore Hates America

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10-11-2004, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by kristin
Why am I not surprised? If Bush wins like he did last time where something funk happened, do you think a revolt or anything would happen?

John Titor (the supposed time traveler) said several years ago there will be a civil war in 2005 which ultimately leads to the country becoming several sovereign regions (I believe he said 5).

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10-11-2004, 11:30 AM

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John Titor (the supposed time traveler) said several years ago there will be a civil war in 2005 which ultimately leads to the country becoming several sovereign regions (I believe he said 5).

I see your putting your faith squarely in science
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10-11-2004, 11:31 AM

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10-11-2004, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/11/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

The big money Republican machine.............where's the so called ownership of the liberal media........when is Fahrenheit 9/11 going to be aired?

Thank you liberal media thats a catch phrase the pundits use to say we are on your side .
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10-11-2004, 12:06 PM

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zzz it's not Michael Hates America is:Michael Moore Hates America

sorry ;)

Got a few questions for all the liberal folks out there.. And you can attack me and convince me that liberals really ARE reactionary little girls, or you can respond intelligently and very possibly influence my vote:

If M Moore puts out a movie that rakes in MILLIONS and distrobutes it through Sony (a company that sells at Walmart, which Moore claims to hate even though a substantial part of his income comes from it). If he is allowed to make an anti-bush film using sensational and questionable documentary techniques (its his job) then why cant the right do it? Is it that the right didnt decide to charge you $7 a pop for it? Is it that the right isnt putting it out on DVD for $18? That same media group BTW "ordered" its stations to air "Reagan" Was that an evil right wing tactic as well?

When CBS airs the Bush docs story using faked docs, did you post about how the left was trying to sabotage things? Have you written Sony pictures and asked them to release F911 to TV audiences 3 weeks after a DVD release? The fact of it is that Moore makes MONEY for a living. He didnt want to release the film on TV or through viral internet marketing because he wouldnt make MONEY. Why is it that its only when the RIGHT makes money that its evil, but when the left does it its ok?

I'm obviously leaning right. Again, you can attack me GFY style or you can answer my questions and possibly (honestly) get a Kerry vote from me. I'm always ready to learn. Also dont attack my spelling, I'm on a machine without a spell checker.
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10-11-2004, 12:09 PM

Are you kidding me? Comparing a DVD release to free tv? What do you think reaches more.........its not even comparable.
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10-11-2004, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by hagbard
Got a few questions for all the liberal folks out there.. And you can attack me and convince me that liberals really ARE reactionary little girls, or you can respond intelligently and very possibly influence my vote:

If M Moore puts out a movie that rakes in MILLIONS and distrobutes it through Sony (a company that sells at Walmart, which Moore claims to hate even though a substantial part of his income comes from it). If he is allowed to make an anti-bush film using sensational and questionable documentary techniques (its his job) then why cant the right do it? Is it that the right didnt decide to charge you $7 a pop for it? Is it that the right isnt putting it out on DVD for $18? That same media group BTW "ordered" its stations to air "Reagan" Was that an evil right wing tactic as well?

When CBS airs the Bush docs story using faked docs, did you post about how the left was trying to sabotage things? Have you written Sony pictures and asked them to release F911 to TV audiences 3 weeks after a DVD release? The fact of it is that Moore makes MONEY for a living. He didnt want to release the film on TV or through viral internet marketing because he wouldnt make MONEY. Why is it that its only when the RIGHT makes money that its evil, but when the left does it its ok?

I'm obviously leaning right. Again, you can attack me GFY style or you can answer my questions and possibly (honestly) get a Kerry vote from me. I'm always ready to learn. Also dont attack my spelling, I'm on a machine without a spell checker.

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10-11-2004, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks
Are you kidding me? Comparing a DVD release to free tv? What do you think reaches more.........its not even comparable.

Not to mention you can put whatever you want on DVD and people don't have to buy it. Throw it on national TV during prime time however....

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10-11-2004, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks
Are you kidding me? Comparing a DVD release to free tv? What do you think reaches more.........its not even comparable.

So, you're saying that the 1/4 of the people in the US that have ACCESS to this film will ALL tune in? Will this beat the over 3 million people who saw f911 in the theater and 2.2 million dvd sales? This, when the damn DEBATE held 22% viewership in the states in question? Regardless, I got rather what I expected from a liberal. No answers. More questions.
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10-11-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Pixhell

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I remember him saying that. So, just yes or no. Is this the same as him making it free for the world upfront? Did he provide a copy to Kazaa before making millions of dollars from it? and does he display any particular moral character by selling it in Wal Mart? Would you say that selling it in walmart is a worthwhile "means to an end"?

Again, I'm not getting anything constructive from you folks. Just more rhetoric and questions designed to make me look foolish. I WANT to be told how I'm wrong. Show me you're right by showing me that this film is either patently untrue or that liberal news outlets dont do the same thing when airing UNTRUE things. Can I say that CBS "Forced" its affiliates to air 60 minutes?
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10-11-2004, 12:26 PM

I'm sort of upset about the lawsuit to stop this movie from airing. I mean, MMoore is pushing hard to get F911 to air on Nov 1st. They are talking about a pay per view special with Moore and celebrities talking about the election and showing the movie.

If that's okay, why isn't it okay for the other side to show their movie or fahrenhype 911. After all, propoganda is just propoganda. What's good for the goose and all that.

IMO, if the pubs get to show their movie on network TV, then show Fahrenheit 9/11 on network TV too. If it's pay per view, then let F911 be pay per view too.

As long as it's fair. Once it stops being balanced, then I have a problem with it.

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10-11-2004, 12:27 PM

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Not to mention you can put whatever you want on DVD and people don't have to buy it. Throw it on national TV during prime time however....

Me-tooism. Also known as "ya, what he said" Something i'm seeing too much of on the left to be impressed. So. If someone releases a Friends DVD Nobody is FORCED to watch it. If its on NBC at 8pm they are more inclined to do so. I think I can just about see your point there if nothing else in terms of ease of access. Now. If you want to shut me up about this particular topic. Show me how this film is different than F911. Show me where a station owner SHOULDNT have control over what his stations play. And finally, show me where this film lies. I understand this will have to wait until after the fact.
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10-11-2004, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by hagbard
Got a few questions for all the liberal folks out there.. And you can attack me and convince me that liberals really ARE reactionary little girls, or you can respond intelligently and very possibly influence my vote:

If M Moore puts out a movie that rakes in MILLIONS and distrobutes it through Sony (a company that sells at Walmart, which Moore claims to hate even though a substantial part of his income comes from it). If he is allowed to make an anti-bush film using sensational and questionable documentary techniques (its his job) then why cant the right do it? Is it that the right didnt decide to charge you $7 a pop for it? Is it that the right isnt putting it out on DVD for $18? That same media group BTW "ordered" its stations to air "Reagan" Was that an evil right wing tactic as well?

When CBS airs the Bush docs story using faked docs, did you post about how the left was trying to sabotage things? Have you written Sony pictures and asked them to release F911 to TV audiences 3 weeks after a DVD release? The fact of it is that Moore makes MONEY for a living. He didnt want to release the film on TV or through viral internet marketing because he wouldnt make MONEY. Why is it that its only when the RIGHT makes money that its evil, but when the left does it its ok?

I'm obviously leaning right. Again, you can attack me GFY style or you can answer my questions and possibly (honestly) get a Kerry vote from me. I'm always ready to learn. Also dont attack my spelling, I'm on a machine without a spell checker.

Let me try some rational answers

CBS is has a news organization that did not do their due diligence on the paperwork that used to substanciate their claims. The interesting fact is the essence of their report was correct according to those interviewed. Someone did provide phoney documents and they, not the content of the report became the issue. Still it was an objective report based on how they saw the facts at the time.

Michael Moore has actually requested Sony allow him to release F911 for TV viewing before the election. If they do, which I doubt, it would hurt both his revenue and theirs. I doubt the anyone would be ordered to show it without commercials.

The Reagan movie that I believe was to be aired on CBS was pulled because of Republican complaints.

In essence follow the money in all cases. The media in this country was once owned by many different interests it is consolidating. CNN was once liberal, now it is part of Time Warner. NBC was once liberal now is ownerd by General Electric. Radio stations used to be locally owned now most are owned by Clear Channel. No one has more interest in Bush being relected than those who were rewarded by his new corporate tax cut that just made it out of the Senate today. Special interests know where their bread and butter comes from.

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10-11-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
yup exactly why ush is going to win because all pro kerry people are all talk and come nov 2nd they will sit on their asses at home and not vote

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10-11-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by SleazeQueen
I'm sort of upset about the lawsuit to stop this movie from airing. I mean, MMoore is pushing hard to get F911 to air on Nov 1st. They are talking about a pay per view special with Moore and celebrities talking about the election and showing the movie.

If that's okay, why isn't it okay for the other side to show their movie or fahrenhype 911. After all, propoganda is just propoganda. What's good for the goose and all that.

IMO, if the pubs get to show their movie on network TV, then show Fahrenheit 9/11 on network TV too. If it's pay per view, then let F911 be pay per view too.

As long as it's fair. Once it stops being balanced, then I have a problem with it.

Amen. If sony will let f911 air as well then THATS democracy. My only problem is that lefties bitching that the right is airing their film for free while their wonderboy chose to go through a NON free distrobution method is silly.
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10-11-2004, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by hagbard
I remember him saying that. So, just yes or no. Is this the same as him making it free for the world upfront? Did he provide a copy to Kazaa before making millions of dollars from it? and does he display any particular moral character by selling it in Wal Mart? Would you say that selling it in walmart is a worthwhile "means to an end"?

Again, I'm not getting anything constructive from you folks. Just more rhetoric and questions designed to make me look foolish. I WANT to be told how I'm wrong. Show me you're right by showing me that this film is either patently untrue or that liberal news outlets dont do the same thing when airing UNTRUE things. Can I say that CBS "Forced" its affiliates to air 60 minutes?

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Originally posted by hagbard
I remember him saying that. So, just yes or no. Is this the same as him making it free for the world upfront? Did he provide a copy to Kazaa before making millions of dollars from it? and does he display any particular moral character by selling it in Wal Mart? Would you say that selling it in walmart is a worthwhile "means to an end"?

Again, I'm not getting anything constructive from you folks. Just more rhetoric and questions designed to make me look foolish. I WANT to be told how I'm wrong. Show me you're right by showing me that this film is either patently untrue or that liberal news outlets dont do the same thing when airing UNTRUE things. Can I say that CBS "Forced" its affiliates to air 60 minutes?

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10-11-2004, 12:32 PM

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10-11-2004, 12:34 PM

grrrrr im so fucking mad about this i just wrote them an email and im calling as soon as the phoine is free. I am no officially on strike against their chanels!!! I am so fucking pissed right now that I dont even know how to be pissed right. I cant even think straight becasue im so frustrated!

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10-11-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Probono
Let me try some rational answers

CBS is has a news organization that did not do their due diligence on the paperwork that used to substanciate their claims. The interesting fact is the essence of their report was correct according to those interviewed. Someone did provide phoney documents and they, not the content of the report became the issue. Still it was an objective report based on how they saw the facts at the time.

Michael Moore has actually requested Sony allow him to release F911 for TV viewing before the election. If they do, which I doubt, it would hurt both his revenue and theirs. I doubt the anyone would be ordered to show it without commercials.

The Reagan movie that I believe was to be aired on CBS was pulled because of Republican complaints.

In essence follow the money in all cases. The media in this country was once owned by many different interests it is consolidating. CNN was once liberal, now it is part of Time Warner. NBC was once liberal now is ownerd by General Electric. Radio stations used to be locally owned now most are owned by Clear Channel. No one has more interest in Bush being relected than those who were rewarded by his new corporate tax cut that just made it out of the Senate today. Special interests know where their bread and butter comes from.

Awesome answers. Follow the Money is always a good tactic when dealing with assholes no doubt. Your comments on Reagan shut me up as I had stupidly forgotten that showtime picked it up. I think it was silly for the righties to sue to stop it airing in the same way that I think its silly for the lefties to sue here. (everyone who thinks sue is about money: please look it up)

I suppose my gripe with Moore and this whole situation is that I think his movies are tripe. The claims he makes dont stand up to close inspection, and the complaint made in MMHA, that he OVER simplifies things in spite of evidence that the world is not simple, is valid. When you add the fact that he didnt choose television or the internet as his primary distrobution method, then pissed off sony execs by telling people to pirate it confuses me. If he wanted nothing more than for his film to get out, couldnt he have released it on the internet to begin with? Perhaps with a donation model? Lastly I would like to direct people to http://www.bowlingfortruth.com Its decidedly right leaning but has some valid arguments.

really. I'm not leaning any more towards Kerry at this point though I see YOUR point clearly
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10-11-2004, 12:38 PM

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Because it's illegal>..............

Pardon, I missed your answer. Whats illegal? I tend to ramble and I'm missing which of my too-many points you're commenting on.
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10-11-2004, 12:42 PM

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Pardon, I missed your answer. Whats illegal? I tend to ramble and I'm missing which of my too-many points you're commenting on.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/11cfr100.29.htm

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10-11-2004, 12:46 PM

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http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/11cfr100.29.htm

Thanks, sorry for not catching your point sooner. Question for you. Is airing this film different from airing F911 commercials? Anticipating that your answer might be yes, because the f911 commercials dont necessarily mention Bush, isnt that a technicality?

Next. Would you like to see F911 on the TV? If it was aired, would that be any less illegal? or is it simply more acceptable in your eyes because the film promotes your politics?
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