Abby Winters promotes cheating their affiliates

Any replies from Abby somewhere?

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most programs bend backwards for their affiliates..this is the complete other way around

affiliates are the lifeblood of this industry. You don't shit on them or turn up your nose. I know for the company I work for, we take imput from our affiliates very seriously, and a lot of our time is spent insuring that we can provide the tools they need to help them make more money. You don't act like it is such a pain in the ass to have them.
50% and no rebills?? I am amazed that she has even one affiliate, but she has a whopping 20 heh heh
sad fact is, as stupid as they are, they will probably survive this and keep making money


spaz

I'd fuck her, drunk and with two condoms.

She does say that the webmasters know where to post and how to get people to join. What she fails to mention is that for many it takes years to build up your traffic and a lot of money put into it.

With that attitude, heshe likely shaves too imho

It's been said by others - how on earth has he managed to get any affiliates in the first place? Amazing.

1. You find a topic, almost 1 year old, and start whining by quoting one line at the time, without reading AND understanding the hole message.
2. Next, you act like trolls, and start dramas on every single forum you find. Even non-webmaster forums (picture and gallery posting forums). Misleading other people with only one objective: to harm abbywinters.com?

I don't know what your motivation is, and since I'm affiliate myself, I read the hole "story" and the topics posted on different boards.

First of all, I can NOT find any places where Abby encourage surfers to delete their cookies. Neither on her forum, or at mainsite or signup page. She brings the subject, maybe from a wrong perspective, but the intention was to discuss the costs of making and maintain an adult website. And payment to affiliates is one of those costs. 50 % is a lots of money, and suddenly you are surprised that paysite owners considering their revshare revenue??? Welcome to adult business...

Abby is honest about it by bringing it up, and at least she is not cheating, like some others you "trust".
For those of you who suspect she is cheating affiliates, check your stats. I can only speak for myself, and say that abbywinters is on my toplist when it is converted to dollars compared to traffic. I have enough data to compare; over 100 million hits, to couple of thousands promoted paysites, over many years.

Second, for those of you complaining of the "missing" rebill option: this is a revshare program, and you get 50 % on different options. Never heard of that before?
When I get 75$ revenue for one year signups, I do not complain about it, do I? If you know how to promote a website, you will get those signups.

I respect abbywinters excellent program, the treatening of their amateur models, and affiliate policy that not only raise the quality but also try to selfregulate the adult market through the latest ICRA requirements. I also respect affiliates that put some soul and effort into their work. They have it all: tons of promotional tools, unique models, great ratios and abby does not bullshit you. What more can you ask for?

But what I hate, is lazy affiliates that live in their mamas basement and think they can have money for beer by doing nothing, because when it comes to serious work, they have really no clue how to do two-way business. Or they are too lazy to think requirements as a challenge.

Take it or leave it, but stop creating dramas based on lies - and stop posting at public pic/gallery posting boards, including mine, that only confirm some kind of hate crusade, because it does not belong there.

Need sex?

Some program owners never understand the brutal work of submitting, getting preferred accounts, fighting for a join, I have not submitted myself in a while, it's a job I leave to the pros, our affiliates

No, I just take care of great sponsors that take care of me

If you like this payout structure, cool for you ;)

There is no mistake Dane, his/her words were perfectly clear to me. Don't come here and defend this Abby person, you're wasting your time, as he/she isn't worth defending.

Spin it any way you want, but the meaning was and is clear. I would no more promote that program than cut my own throat. If I found posts from any of my existing sponsors that were anything close to that shit I would drop their links so fast their whole family would shit bricks.

And not paying on rebills? Fuck that. He/she is lucky to have found twenty morons willing to take such a pay cut when they could be making ten times that with a proper partnership. Amazingly, I STILL get rebill cheques from Oxcash for joins I sent three years ago. That can never happen with the abbywinters program because of the lousy shitty attitude towards their affiliates.


If you insist on defending the indefensible, you'll only make yourself look more ridiculous than you already do. Your call, of course.

Get a clue

Yup I've promoted sites for 3 years so I know how hard promoters work.. Any program like this that turns their backs on promoters give the hard working programs a bad name.

Btw, how you can do 75$ per signup in 1 year ? if its 50% of the initial join, and NO rebills?

Care to explain?

Wake up dude/girl - dont be naive and think every paysite owners are happy to payout 50 %!!
I've spoken to several paysiteowner and models in private, that don't think this is a fair percentage. But it's the market conditions, and therefor most programs is 50 %.
Abby posted that 1 year (!) ago, of course a mistake. However, many surfers read that post before they signup, so I think that "shaver" effect is minimal.

Posting it on board, or hear it in private...some other sites however, without mentioning names, shave a with hosted galleries etc, and I am more worry about them. In the end, I look on my stats, and where the money come from and not come from. That what counts. I have some 3-4 years rebills too, but they can not match the total income from abby. Its not the rebills, its the site that convert. Directing traffic to another site is waste, because they dont have the same models. Rather spread it out...

And "ridiculous"??? Posting that hate hate treads on gallery/pic-boards, is ridiculous. The pornsurfers give a shit about that, so for me, it only looks like some personal crusade. If it only sticked to adult webmaster boards, I would take it more serious

Finally, yes its my call - I dont complain on 75$ revenue and excellent ratios. And the less affiliates, less competitors

You can sign up for one year membership. It cost 150$.

I will be perfectly happy paying my affiliates a fair share. I think it's completely fair to pay on rebills, considering that most paysite webmasters don't depend on the membership revenue alone, but also have upsells to toys, physical goods, etc. Affiliates are so incredibly important and they deserve to be treated that way, whether they send one signup a month or 100 a day.

oh ok, everyone take the 1 year membership with your links ;)

I understand ;)

I agree with that of course.
But 3 month membership or 1 month + 2 rebills, is the same.

not everyone

but the one year option is about 10 % of my total revenue, which I believe is higher than other sites with rebill options

Personally, what would bother me if I was an affiliate wouldn't be the fact that there are no rebills. I mean, if that is the way the owner wants to run their program, that's fine, as long as it's fully disclosed before signing up.

The problem I would have is being called a lazy webmaster and being completely trashed on the message board. It's clear that the owner doesn't appreciate the hard work webmasters to do earn him money, and after being talked about like that, I would want to take my traffic to a program where I was at least given quiet indifference and not outspoken contempt.

But I can understand your point. If it works for you and you don't mind sending your traffic to someone who would talk about their affiliates that way, that's okay, too.

This is exactly my point for posting on this tread:

Someone starts a hate tread by posting some few quotes. And of course people dont bother go to the forum, and read the hole topic so it makes more sense. It ends up with that they believe it.

I saw this topic and my thought was "wtf"?? then I went to abbys forum, and meantime I also hear that someone spammed it at my forum, which is not for adult webmasters, but surfers. That confirmed what this tread was all about.

Then they either shouldn't have an affiliate program as part of their business model, or they should simply offer smaller percentages.

Of course they won't attract as many affiliates, but tough shit if you're going to be a cheapass shortsighted idiot.

And I'm a dude. A known dude at that. Abby, however, is widely suspected to be non-female.

As I said, spin it any way you want to, tell yourself whatever you need to. Fact is, based on what Abby posted and the reaction he/she caused in some of her paying members, some of whom were referred by AFFILIATES I might add, was way out of line and a very very stupid thing for a program owner to do. If you are happy promoting someone like that, well, what can I say? Lie down with dogs, end up with fleas.

Wasn't it Abby who first posted this nonsense? If he/she opened the door, tough shit if affiliate webmasters feel the need to go in there and set the bitch straight. The bed was made by Abby, so Abby best lie in it. You again look even more ridiculous by whining about it here.

Let's do some basic math shall we? If your referred surfer signs up for a year, you make a one-time payout of $75, correct?

Now, here's the thing..... if *I* send a signup to a good program that has a proper partnership option, and that surfer stays a member for even six months, I can make more than you right there. Some partnerships pay me 50%, or about $15 per.... but a few pay a bit more and have a bit more expensive membership fees, and I make more like $20 per. SO, if *MY* member stays a member for a year I would make as much as three times what you made of *your* member at Abby's site.

Tell me again how good the money is?


But hey, if you're happy that's all that matters.

I'm just saying you won't catch me promoting the bitch. I don't like what she had to say, I don't like the attitude shown towards affiliates, and I don't like the business model they operate. Obviously a lot of other webmasters side likewise, and are wise to do so.

Good luck to you though. Seriously.

If you are talking basic math, there is also one other important variable: ratios

You cant just isolate the signup options, because if the ratios is for example 6 times better I would end up with more money

And you also have to consider the site itself. If one surfer don't signup for my promoted one, its not the same that he would sign up for another website.

Hey, for all those people who bitch that 50% and recurring payous takes all their profit- one word, upsells.

Thanks, you can write your cheques of appreciation to me.

btw.. 75 from one member? pffft. Try a real program like FTV girls where you make 75 initial and THEN the rebills.

Yes, some program owners are totally clueless ;(

I saw worst than that from a penis pills company i sent traffic for.

I used their google friendly link code on many PR domains , and i got rank 4 for a related term for months.

One day, i saw this affiliate program owner using AdWords on the same term ... totally gay

1 week later i saw the owner posting on a SEO forum, and tell the members he got an affiliate cheating them because he steal their traffic they pay for in a Adwords campaign because the affiliate link code is ranked #4 for this related keyword in google. And he was asking advice about that.

Others fuck in the forum said to the owner to modify the link code , and redirect the traffic from this link code in the in-house account.

What a bunch of retards.

2 days later , i received a email from the affiliate program, and they tell me, we upgraded our system , we modify all ppl link code...bla bla bla , lot of bullshit finally.

A few days later my affiliate code was always working to their site, but redirected in the in-house account, no signup counted for me.

So i removed all links from my PR network , and they lost this link in google in about 2 weeks.

So yes, some affiliates owners are completly clueless. Now they need to use Adwords only on this term, and they have a competitor on rank 4 ...

If they want to set her straight, then they can go in there and do it. But posting copy and paste randomly all over is whining. So I'm not the one who whine here. Just pointing out how n00b this behaviour is - and the fact that I know more than I want to post here.

who or what the fuck is "abby winters" ?

never heard of it... and now i know why!

I think you said it best yourself

see what wrong typos can do