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  • stereolab
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2004
    • 798

    #1

    Spammers: should I click the 'remove me' link? or is that just

    telling you that my email is active and to keep sending me shit?
  • SlutFinder
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2003
    • 2273

    #2
    some mailers use it to remove to save on complaint heat.

    some think of it as proof you open your mails.


    either way your screwed
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    • hydro
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2003
      • 4216

      #3
      don't click

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      • stereolab
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2004
        • 798

        #4
        Originally posted by SlutFinder
        some mailers use it to remove to save on complaint heat.

        some think of it as proof you open your mails.


        either way your screwed
        rats. a couple of addys i use only to submit galleries is now getting regular spam.

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        • Paul Markham
          Too old to care
          • Jun 2001
          • 52942

          #5
          Business email security provider MessageLabs has issued a warning to Internet users not click on the "opt-out" link on spam emails, as the company said it had discovered yesterday a number of messages using this function to open a spam distribution point on the recipient's computer.


          Dubbing it the "drag-and-drop jav*a*scr*pt exploit", MessageLabs said the scheme uses an Internet Explorer bug to "download an EXE file when the mouse is scrolled across the malicious domain page, allowing the machine to be turned into an open proxy that spammers can control".


          MessageLabs said that by clicking on the "click here to remove" link the user is directed to a Web page that "triggers an attempt to download malicious code onto computers". The company adds that once spammers are loaded in the users PC they can upload new Trojans "at any time".



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          • psyko514
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            • Oct 2002
            • 22366

            #6
            one thing i don't understand is why you'd keep sending the emails to someone who has no interest in them?

            is it really just hoping that one day, he'll change his mind and buy something?

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            • stereolab
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              • Mar 2004
              • 798

              #7
              Originally posted by charly
              Business email security provider MessageLabs has issued a warning to Internet users not click on the "opt-out" link on spam emails, as the company said it had discovered yesterday a number of messages using this function to open a spam distribution point on the recipient's computer.


              Dubbing it the "drag-and-drop jav*a*scr*pt exploit", MessageLabs said the scheme uses an Internet Explorer bug to "download an EXE file when the mouse is scrolled across the malicious domain page, allowing the machine to be turned into an open proxy that spammers can control".


              MessageLabs said that by clicking on the "click here to remove" link the user is directed to a Web page that "triggers an attempt to download malicious code onto computers". The company adds that once spammers are loaded in the users PC they can upload new Trojans "at any time".



              http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/sec...9169061,00.htm
              good idea. you'll probably get more people to click on 'remove me' than to click on the actual ad.

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              • SlutFinder
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2003
                • 2273

                #8
                Originally posted by psyko514
                one thing i don't understand is why you'd keep sending the emails to someone who has no interest in them?

                is it really just hoping that one day, he'll change his mind and buy something?
                well i dont spam by the way, but I have been brokering lists for a long time so do know the way things work.

                And answering your question, a 'spammer' sends out millions of emails every hour.. removing certain emails is just not an issue. But i (suspect) a remove list would offer better ratios as they will get opened far more. All surfers arnt webmasters, they buy crap from spam every minute.

                Thats why spam will always be here, it makes a lot of money. And the harder the big companys make it, the more $ there is for the big boys who can still mail.

                I dont think spam is good or support it in anyway. I alwasy deal with highly targeted lists with sale data, its not my business to spam.. they are just my views above thats all.
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                • Goonx
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2002
                  • 1048

                  #9
                  use it, many mailers clean their lists every once in a while, if you're not intersted, we don't need you, ahh, i mean they don't need you.

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                  • stereolab
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 798

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SlutFinder

                    But i (suspect) a remove list would offer better ratios as they will get opened far more.
                    what's a 'remove list'? a list of emails (such as I described) where the person has clicked 'remove me'?

                    i'm not passing judgement. make your money how you want to make it. i'm just curious if it's a bad idea to click 'remove me'. i know nothing about spam.

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                    • Manowar
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                      • Dec 2003
                      • 71528

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hydro
                      don't click

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                      • SlutFinder
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 2273

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stereolab
                        what's a 'remove list'? a list of emails (such as I described) where the person has clicked 'remove me'?
                        yeh i mean a list which in theory is meant as a list you run other lists by to remove all the people who have clicked remove in the past.

                        Originally posted by stereolab
                        i'm not passing judgement. make your money how you want to make it. i'm just curious if it's a bad idea to click 'remove me'. i know nothing about spam.
                        Thats cool, Just wanted to make it clear to the board. Because I know people who do spam.. but its not something I do myself.
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                        • Ironhorse
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                          • Nov 2002
                          • 7094

                          #13
                          Originally posted by stereolab
                          rats. a couple of addys i use only to submit galleries is now getting regular spam.
                          And you are surprised why???
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                          • stereolab
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 798

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ironhorse
                            And you are surprised why???
                            well i guess i'm not. but they all contain that 'opt out' link. just wondering if that's just a qualifying tool.

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                            • SlutFinder
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 2273

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ironhorse
                              And you are surprised why???
                              fair point.

                              not sure on other peoples experiences lately but I have a hotmail account ive had for 4+ years as my any old ady.. so you can imagine the spam! since they updated their filters I get none!!! not one single spam in my mailbox for months, fantastic
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                              • stereolab
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                                • Mar 2004
                                • 798

                                #16
                                Originally posted by SlutFinder
                                fair point.

                                not sure on other peoples experiences lately but I have a hotmail account ive had for 4+ years as my any old ady.. so you can imagine the spam! since they updated their filters I get none!!! not one single spam in my mailbox for months, fantastic
                                same thing with Yahoo mail. i used to get 100s every day on 2 of my accounts i actually use daily. now i get - maybe - 7. of course i have no idea if i'm missing legit mail.

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                                • mal
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 1899

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by stereolab
                                  same thing with Yahoo mail. i used to get 100s every day on 2 of my accounts i actually use daily. now i get - maybe - 7. of course i have no idea if i'm missing legit mail.
                                  you are losing alot of legit emails

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                                  • emthree
                                    Dialer Kingpin
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 10816

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by psyko514
                                    one thing i don't understand is why you'd keep sending the emails to someone who has no interest in them?

                                    is it really just hoping that one day, he'll change his mind and buy something?
                                    They only "think" they dont want the product. The trick is making them want it!

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                                    • chodadog
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                                      • Apr 2002
                                      • 9736

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by psyko514
                                      one thing i don't understand is why you'd keep sending the emails to someone who has no interest in them?

                                      is it really just hoping that one day, he'll change his mind and buy something?
                                      Well, think about it. The more times someone sees the same product, the more inclined they will be to purchase it. Also, you could obviously mail another product to them. Proof that it's an active email address is obviously going to make it worth more.

                                      But yeah, remove links are abused so much that spam filters like Spam Assassin actually penalise mailers for terms like remove and unsubscribe in their mailings. Must be a bitch for legit mailers.
                                      26 + 6 = 1

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                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                        • Jun 2004
                                        • 28609

                                        #20
                                        they dont need the remove me link to be clicked to know your account is active. Chances are you view your email with html on , and if you do they usually place a small image in the email that is encoded with your email in the image url. So the software will detect if you have viewed an image in the spam email ( i.e. you opened an email )

                                        You can also use this method to track and locate a spammer. If you enocde the image url with an unused email and track that account you can usually track down whom uses/abuses that list.
                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                          #21
                                          now that you maxde this post you confirmed you read your email

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                                          • stereolab
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                                            • Mar 2004
                                            • 798

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                            they dont need the remove me link to be clicked to know your account is active. Chances are you view your email with html on , and if you do they usually place a small image in the email that is encoded with your email in the image url. So the software will detect if you have viewed an image in the spam email ( i.e. you opened an email )

                                            You can also use this method to track and locate a spammer. If you enocde the image url with an unused email and track that account you can usually track down whom uses/abuses that list.
                                            well i looked at the email 'source code' and i didn't see any <img> tags, but the meta tags were interesting:

                                            <META name="bayport snoopy " content="socket relayed tirade upcome ">
                                            <META name="dominican govern " content="homebuilder hebrew duff johnsen ">

                                            either these are simply random words to bypass anti-spam apps, or i'm a part of some weird clan of zionist beagles conspiring to take over the dominican republic.

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                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 28609

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by stereolab
                                              i'm a part of some weird clan of zionist beagles conspiring to take over the dominican republic.
                                              All hail the zionist beagles.
                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                              • stereolab
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Mar 2004
                                                • 798

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                All hail the zionist beagles.
                                                I knew charles schultz had ulterior motives.

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