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  • newbreed
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2003
    • 9898
    #1

    Surfers that pay with a check, knowing they are NSF...

    ...can lick my fucking nutsack. Fuck all of you assbags who have done it. We are no longer taking checks as payment. Fuck this pisses me the fuck off.

    And billing companies, if the first one was bad, the second one probably might be bad too... Ya think? Get a fcukin system in place to stop this shit someone.

    Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
    I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
    fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before
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    • XPays
      Team Player
      • May 2004
      • 13002
      #2
      agreed, bad checks online are a problem

      the better part of the equation though is that the same losers who scam credit cards will scam the check option first. it is better to have bad checks than chargebacks
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        • newbreed
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2003
          • 9898
          #3
          Originally posted by XPays
          agreed, bad checks online are a problem

          the better part of the equation though is that the same losers who scam credit cards will scam the check option first. it is better to have bad checks than chargebacks
          I want to tal to you XPays...346940591 - ICQ

          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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            • jewcash
              So Fucking Banned
              • Sep 2004
              • 1571
              #4
              Originally posted by XPays
              agreed, bad checks online are a problem

              the better part of the equation though is that the same losers who scam credit cards will scam the check option first. it is better to have bad checks than chargebacks

              Yo bro whats up email me i need to speak to you

              jewcash at jewcash dot com

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                • Doctor Dre
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 51692
                  #5
                  This is so bad for their credit and they don't even know it
                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                    • baddog
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 107089
                      #6
                      I am considering eliminating checks as an option, too much trouble . . . NSF on a $5 check . . . . sheesh

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                        • newbreed
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 9898
                          #7
                          Originally posted by baddog
                          I am considering eliminating checks as an option, too much trouble . . . NSF on a $5 check . . . . sheesh
                          Yeah, I know man. And worse, a processor that gets an NSF on a trial, then allows access to a site when it rebills to a full membership.

                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                            • Steen2
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 7662
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                              This is so bad for their credit and they don't even know it
                              It will only affect their credit if their bank decides to report them, which normally doesn't happen until you start bouncing a lot.
                              ICQ: 2262.73945

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                                • ArikaAmes
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 3081
                                  #9
                                  Exactly baddog, and then it did it on a 26 dollar check, still horrible though!

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                                    • newbreed
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 9898
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Steen2
                                      It will only affect their credit if their bank decides to report them, which normally doesn't happen until you start bouncing a lot.
                                      Exactly. Usually a bank won't even look at the amount you have bounced or kited until it hits the felony level. Civil recovery costs them too much...

                                      Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                      I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                      fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                        • ArikaAmes
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2003
                                          • 3081
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by newbreed
                                          Exactly. Usually a bank won't even look at the amount you have bounced or kited until it hits the felony level. Civil recovery costs them too much...
                                          It just charges your account 30 bucks or so

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                                            • Steen2
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 7662
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by ArikaAmes
                                              It just charges your account 30 bucks or so
                                              Here in Canada, the banks don't report bounced cheques to the credit council people until they start bouncing lots of cheques.
                                              ICQ: 2262.73945

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                                                • Easton
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 9825
                                                  #13
                                                  people who bounce checks should be sent to Iraq to get beheaded
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                                                    • Drake
                                                      Hello world!
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 12508
                                                      #14
                                                      They really are scumbags for doing that

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                                                        • newbreed
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 9898
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Easton
                                                          people who bounce checks should be sent to Iraq to get beheaded
                                                          At least kicked in the nuts. Hard.

                                                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                            • newbreed
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                              • 9898
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Mike33
                                                              They really are scumbags for doing that
                                                              They are, but the billing companies should have some kind of system in place also. 3 days to figure it out.... How much more time do they need???

                                                              It's so fucking simple... If the first one bounced, there is a very good chance the second one will too.

                                                              Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                              I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                              fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                • Easton
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                  • 9825
                                                                  #17
                                                                  you have convinced me not to accept checks at all on my new site
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                                                                    • Theo
                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 34515
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Please remind to AlienQ from which country all these NSF checks come from.

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                                                                        • newbreed
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                          • 9898
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Easton
                                                                          you have convinced me not to accept checks at all on my new site
                                                                          Seriously man, I can't show you ONE transaction that has not gone NSF or been returned on a check. And worst of all, these fuckers get complete access for several days... You can put in any bullshit routing and account number and get access to sites, this is fucking stupid.

                                                                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                            • newbreed
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 9898
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                              Please remind to AlienQ from which country all these NSF checks come from.
                                                                              So far all of ours are from the US.

                                                                              Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                              I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                              fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                • Mike Okitch
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                  • 4126
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  If a surfer/scammer fraudulently uses credit cards, his IP address is recorded. So he can get busted.

                                                                                  I have always been under the impression that it is fraudulent to knowingly bounce a check. The IP can be registered just the same way it is with a credit card transaction.

                                                                                  If someone can technically be charged for fraud when scamming a credit card, can't one be charged for fraud when knowingly bouncing a check?

                                                                                  Maybe a few high profile cases on check scammers would be in order?

                                                                                  okay, I know that the IP address can be played with. But it's not all surfers who know that.
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                                                                                    • newbreed
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                      • 9898
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Let me reiterate one more time how much the surfers and processors that do this shit can suck the bile from my nasty dirty asshole. All of them. Suck that bile until your eyes and ears are full of shit, because that's what you are. I don't much care if it is brown or green or brown AND green. Suck on it and swallow it until you choke.

                                                                                      Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                                      I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                                      fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                        • ArikaAmes
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                          • 3081
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by newbreed
                                                                                          Let me reiterate one more time how much the surfers and processors that do this shit can suck the bile from my nasty dirty asshole. All of them. Suck that bile until your eyes and ears are full of shit, because that's what you are. I don't much care if it is brown or green or brown AND green. Suck on it and swallow it until you choke.

                                                                                          It's actually Yelllow, I was puked it up

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                                                                                            • Bigjohn
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 1118
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Many of the bad checks I see come through are fake names, fake addresses and fake checking accounts.... Their credit isn't getting hurt at all because they just make the shit up.

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                                                                                                • Mike Okitch
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                  • 4126
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bigjohn
                                                                                                  Many of the bad checks I see come through are fake names, fake addresses and fake checking accounts.... Their credit isn't getting hurt at all because they just make the shit up.
                                                                                                  You need some info to make such shit up. Like a routing number.

                                                                                                  A proper system should be able to tell if a routing number is bogus just the same way it will tell if a credit card number is fake.
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                                                                                                    • faisalp
                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                      • 46
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      does check processing rely on an actual account verification? Or do they just have a large negative database and hope for the best?

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                                                                                                        • newbreed
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                          • 9898
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by faisalp
                                                                                                          does check processing rely on an actual account verification? Or do they just have a large negative database and hope for the best?
                                                                                                          Niether. It's a fucking tool for the processors to offer more shit on your account.

                                                                                                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                                                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                                                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                                            • Bigjohn
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                              • 1118
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Mike Okitch
                                                                                                              You need some info to make such shit up. Like a routing number.
                                                                                                              Actually you don't need much info at all.

                                                                                                              A proper system should be able to tell if a routing number is bogus just the same way it will tell if a credit card number is fake.
                                                                                                              What should be able to happen and what is capable of happening are, unfortunately, not the same thing.

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                                                                                                                • Bigjohn
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1118
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by faisalp
                                                                                                                  does check processing rely on an actual account verification? Or do they just have a large negative database and hope for the best?
                                                                                                                  Negative database.... same process when you write a check at a store. Telecheck (or whoever processes the checks) simply looks into a negative database.

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                                                                                                                    • FaberX
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                      • 181
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Does anyone know how check processing is gonna be affected with the Check Clearing for the 21st Century Act, "Check 21"

                                                                                                                      http://www.consumersunion.org/finance/ckclear1002.htm

                                                                                                                      This goes into effect on October 28th, but haven't seen anyone discussing it here ever

                                                                                                                      One more link:
                                                                                                                      http://www.federalreserve.gov/paymen...on/default.htm
                                                                                                                      Last edited by FaberX; 10-05-2004, 01:06 AM.

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                                                                                                                        • newbreed
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                          • 9898
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by FaberX
                                                                                                                          Does anyone know how check processing is gonna be affected with the Check Clearing for the 21st Century Act, "Check 21"

                                                                                                                          http://www.consumersunion.org/finance/ckclear1002.htm

                                                                                                                          This goes into effect on October 28th, but haven't seen anyone discussing it here ever
                                                                                                                          Good question...

                                                                                                                          When that system takes affect country-wide, there will be a lot less fraud.

                                                                                                                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                                                                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                                                                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                                                            • WTS_andy
                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                              • 143
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Wow, you guys are all worked up over something that in MOST cases can be eliminated on the front-end if the proper systems are put in place. But the fact is, despite the minute amount of bandwidth that is lost on those cases, you still make WAY more money by offering checks!
                                                                                                                              Although there are no SURE ways to prevent every fruadulent transaction from getting through, there are many things that can be done to greatly limit them!

                                                                                                                              newbreed - if you haven't tried WTS yet, i would suggest giving us a try! Opening up an account is free and i think you'll find the serviceto be a lot better than everything else out there!
                                                                                                                              i

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                                                                                                                                • newbreed
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 9898
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by WTS_andy
                                                                                                                                  Wow, you guys are all worked up over something that in MOST cases can be eliminated on the front-end if the proper systems are put in place. But the fact is, despite the minute amount of bandwidth that is lost on those cases, you still make WAY more money by offering checks!
                                                                                                                                  Although there are no SURE ways to prevent every fruadulent transaction from getting through, there are many things that can be done to greatly limit them!

                                                                                                                                  newbreed - if you haven't tried WTS yet, i would suggest giving us a try! Opening up an account is free and i think you'll find the serviceto be a lot better than everything else out there!
                                                                                                                                  i
                                                                                                                                  Andy, please explain to me how "despite the minute amount of bandwidth that is lost on those cases, you still make WAY more money by offering checks!", when most of them are fraudulent, nsf, and the site owner doesn't find out for days? I not only lose the $ from the sale, my affiliate might lose his/her payout, and it costs me bandwith. That's making me lose money, not making me WAY more money.

                                                                                                                                  And I was going to try WTS at some point in the past, but something didn't look right somewhere so I didn't sign up. Looked like the same as every other processor out there so what's the difference?

                                                                                                                                  Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                                                                                  I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                                                                                  fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                                                                    • WTS_andy
                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 143
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Well first off, MOST people that signup by check either don't have or won't use CC's on the 'Net.
                                                                                                                                      So, if you don't offer checks at all, you are missing this entirely different revenue stream.
                                                                                                                                      Secondly most checks are NOT fraudulent... You can expect to settle appx 65%-70% of the initial check signups through WTS.
                                                                                                                                      Plus, any of the bad checks that come back, we have an in-house collections dep't that goes after them. Typically, we'll collect on appx 33% of those that we go after. So, you can add another 10% to your collections..... = collect on 75%-80% of your signups! NO other processor can make these claims... ;-)

                                                                                                                                      Granted, it does take a bit of time for the checks to clear and you are losing some bandwidth to those that you don't collect on.
                                                                                                                                      But if you earn an additional 20%-25% of ADDITIONAL revenues on your EXISTING traffic.... you are making WAY more money than you are losing!
                                                                                                                                      Surely, you don't think that CyberErotica, SilverCash, Python, Gamma, P'bucks, Hawg's Cash, Apollo Ent, Top Bucks, Shaw, Orgasm, etc. etc have been taking checks for years and LOSING money... do you??? LOL

                                                                                                                                      Also, you should only be paying webmasters out on "settled" signups anyway!

                                                                                                                                      Here are a few things that set WTS apart:

                                                                                                                                      WTS uses a pre not process, which eliminates many of the bad checks before they reach the bank
                                                                                                                                      Largest negative database in the industry
                                                                                                                                      We utilize several verification systems, which validate up to 50% of DDA accounts in the US.
                                                                                                                                      We only charge processing fees on settled checks!
                                                                                                                                      Check this page out for other important faqs http://www.achdebit.com/sales/facts.html

                                                                                                                                      LMK if you have any more questions
                                                                                                                                      1-800-982-9366

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                                                                                                                                        • mkx
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 4001
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                          This is so bad for their credit and they don't even know it
                                                                                                                                          NSF checks don't effect your credit do they? From what I know they just effect your rep with the bank. If your filling out an application for a loan, lease, or whatever, they usually ask for a bank reference.

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                                                                                                                                            • Roxxy
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 602
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Andy,

                                                                                                                                              It seems i pay more in processing fees, than the amount of checks that actually clear with my existing processor!

                                                                                                                                              How does WTS differ???

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                                                                                                                                                • METROINC
                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 48
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mike Okitch
                                                                                                                                                  You need some info to make such shit up. Like a routing number.

                                                                                                                                                  A proper system should be able to tell if a routing number is bogus just the same way it will tell if a credit card number is fake.
                                                                                                                                                  You have to be nuts to accept checks for memberships or otherwise online. We used to accept them.. and learned the hard way. What they do is make all the name and address shit up .. use a valid routing number and a bogus account number. There is no way to verify an account number.. because banks would NEVER give that information out. The best any processor could do is verify the routing number only. The only way to TRY to catch these assholes is by their IP and who has the time or the patience or the money to chase these fucks? ... and they know it. Checks have no place online.. thats for sure
                                                                                                                                                  DUH

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                                                                                                                                                    • METROINC
                                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 48
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by WTS_andy
                                                                                                                                                      Well first off, MOST people that signup by check either don't have or won't use CC's on the 'Net.
                                                                                                                                                      So, if you don't offer checks at all, you are missing this entirely different revenue stream.
                                                                                                                                                      Secondly most checks are NOT fraudulent... You can expect to settle appx 65%-70% of the initial check signups through WTS.
                                                                                                                                                      Plus, any of the bad checks that come back, we have an in-house collections dep't that goes after them. Typically, we'll collect on appx 33% of those that we go after. So, you can add another 10% to your collections..... = collect on 75%-80% of your signups! NO other processor can make these claims... ;-)

                                                                                                                                                      Granted, it does take a bit of time for the checks to clear and you are losing some bandwidth to those that you don't collect on.
                                                                                                                                                      But if you earn an additional 20%-25% of ADDITIONAL revenues on your EXISTING traffic.... you are making WAY more money than you are losing!
                                                                                                                                                      Surely, you don't think that CyberErotica, SilverCash, Python, Gamma, P'bucks, Hawg's Cash, Apollo Ent, Top Bucks, Shaw, Orgasm, etc. etc have been taking checks for years and LOSING money... do you??? LOL

                                                                                                                                                      Also, you should only be paying webmasters out on "settled" signups anyway!

                                                                                                                                                      Here are a few things that set WTS apart:

                                                                                                                                                      WTS uses a pre not process, which eliminates many of the bad checks before they reach the bank
                                                                                                                                                      Largest negative database in the industry
                                                                                                                                                      We utilize several verification systems, which validate up to 50% of DDA accounts in the US.
                                                                                                                                                      We only charge processing fees on settled checks!
                                                                                                                                                      Check this page out for other important faqs http://www.achdebit.com/sales/facts.html

                                                                                                                                                      LMK if you have any more questions
                                                                                                                                                      1-800-982-9366



                                                                                                                                                      WHO THE HELL WOULD RATHER USE A CHECK ACCOUNT ( A REAL ONE) ONLINE AND RISK SOMEONE EMPTYING THEIR BANK ACCOUNT??!?!?@?!?.. OVER A CREDIT CARD WHERE THEY HAVE ZERO LIABILITY ??? LETS BE HONEST HERE !
                                                                                                                                                      DUH

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                                                                                                                                                        • Ben.Z
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 1164
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          METROINC, are you serious bro?

                                                                                                                                                          We process for the largest adult sites on the net! There's a reason they all use us bro... THE BOTTOM LINE! Hit us up... We'll be happy to show you why we're better then your previous solution.

                                                                                                                                                          Oh, and whom am I really talking to? these fake nick things are so damn confusing!

                                                                                                                                                          Credit Card Processing for Adult Merchants

                                                                                                                                                          Contact me: Ben Z. (ben|AT|CardReady.com) ICQ_138827832
                                                                                                                                                          Toll Free: 1.888.398.6001 Ext.212

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                                                                                                                                                            • METROINC
                                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 48
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WTS - Ben
                                                                                                                                                              METROINC, are you serious bro?

                                                                                                                                                              We process for the largest adult sites on the net! There's a reason they all use us bro... THE BOTTOM LINE! Hit us up... We'll be happy to show you why we're better then your previous solution.

                                                                                                                                                              Oh, and whom am I really talking to? these fake nick things are so damn confusing!

                                                                                                                                                              As serious as a heart attack.... exactly what any webmaster will have when he sees the chargebacks and enormous bandwidth usage by frauds that use online checks! ... Bottom line.. if you want to get burned .. accept online checks in the porn industry!



                                                                                                                                                              WTS - Ben
                                                                                                                                                              Online Checks
                                                                                                                                                              You will get ...

                                                                                                                                                              Now...
                                                                                                                                                              DUH

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                                                                                                                                                                • METROINC
                                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 48
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  P.S. If you accept online checks... hit me up and I will prove it to you .. by signing up and using all your bandwidth
                                                                                                                                                                  DUH

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Ben.Z
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 1164
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by METROINC
                                                                                                                                                                      P.S. If you accept online checks... hit me up and I will prove it to you .. by signing up and using all your bandwidth



                                                                                                                                                                      We hear this trash talk all the time bro. Have you noticed that the ones who complain about bandwidth tend to be the smaller webmasters with small paysites???

                                                                                                                                                                      None of the big dog's have stopped accepting checks... maybe you should think about why that's the case!

                                                                                                                                                                      I'll be waiting for your response... hopefully we'll get more CAPS & BOLD to back up your ridiculous claims. lol

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                                                                                                                                                                        • wyldblyss
                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 5779
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not even sure why they still accept checks since the majority of them always seem to either be NSF or not even their account.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • corvette
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7880
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WTS_andy
                                                                                                                                                                              You can expect to settle appx 65%-70% of the initial check signups through WTS.
                                                                                                                                                                              Plus, any of the bad checks that come back, we have an in-house collections dep't that goes after them. Typically, we'll collect on appx 33% of those that we go after. So, you can add another 10% to your collections..... = collect on 75%-80% of your signups! NO other processor can make these claims... ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                              With all due respect, and I am sure that you were not aware of this because this is not something that we openly or publicly advertise, but CCBill can absolutely match the claim that our clients are collecting 75%-80% or more of their initial online check sales

                                                                                                                                                                              In fact, I noticed that the site that newbreed is advertising in his signature, arikaames.com, is a site that is using CCBill for their online check processing and I invite them to post their online check return stats for just initial sales, or all sales, for the past month, 3 months, or since the beginning of the year. Although I am tempted to mention the return %, I will not do so, but will mention that on new sales, it is considerably under 20%

                                                                                                                                                                              We have a very elaborate check scrubbing system that we are constantly making improvements on. No system currently on the market is 100% infallible, online check transactions do not have the luxury of a real-time central clearinghouse like credit cards.

                                                                                                                                                                              That said, WTS appears to be a established, well run company and I would not have posted on this thread if I was not so proud of our online check system. ;)
                                                                                                                                                                              If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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                                                                                                                                                                                • newbreed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 9898
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  For the record, this thread was not aimed at nor much considered for Arika's site. Corvett and I did speak today and I am happy with the check billing solution that CCBill offers. And he is correct, for Arika's site, the % is around 15.

                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a problem with online checks, one that everyone who deals with them will suffer from at one point or another. If you run many sites or other businesses (not just adult) this problem will hit you one day, make sure you have your options open when it does...

                                                                                                                                                                                  Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
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                                                                                                                                                                                  fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      good job ccbill

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • METROINC
                                                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 48
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by WTS - Ben


                                                                                                                                                                                          We hear this trash talk all the time bro. Have you noticed that the ones who complain about bandwidth tend to be the smaller webmasters with small paysites???

                                                                                                                                                                                          None of the big dog's have stopped accepting checks... maybe you should think about why that's the case!

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll be waiting for your response... hopefully we'll get more CAPS & BOLD to back up your ridiculous claims. lol
                                                                                                                                                                                          So what you are saying is that small webmasters are not important to your company ...because they can't absorb the large amount of bandwidth that the thieves use on their site fraudulantly with online checks?

                                                                                                                                                                                          You are a great sales person.... I'm sure there are tons of webmasters on here that want to do business with you now!!

                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL !


                                                                                                                                                                                          WTS
                                                                                                                                                                                          Online Checks

                                                                                                                                                                                          And oh yeah...
                                                                                                                                                                                          DUH

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • newbreed
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 9898
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by METROINC
                                                                                                                                                                                              So what you are saying is that small webmasters are not important to your company ...because they can't absorb the large amount of bandwidth that the thieves use on their site fraudulantly with online checks?

                                                                                                                                                                                              You are a great sales person.... I'm sure there are tons of webmasters on here that want to do business with you now!!

                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL !


                                                                                                                                                                                              WTS
                                                                                                                                                                                              Online Checks

                                                                                                                                                                                              And oh yeah...
                                                                                                                                                                                              Hence the fact that no matter how many times they have spammed my threads, I have never spoken with them.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                                                                                                                                              I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                                                                                                                                              fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 27360
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • corvette
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7880
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as whether you should accept checks or not:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Let me say that online checks do add to the bottom line as a healthy supplement to your credit card income?as an additional payment option or to be offered on a cc decline.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recall KK mentioning some of this years ago? If a surfer has a credit card, they most likely have a checking account to pay the monthly credit card bill. In addition while a credit card may not be enormously necessary to survive, it is difficult to pay normal bills (rent, elec.,ISP/broadband, etc) without a checking account.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You access 2 additional markets; someplace to send a surfer when his cc declines and you have a viable payment option for the people that do not have access to a credit card.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Moreover, it is general industry knowledge that online check transactions normally recur for a longer period than credit card transactions...
                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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