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  • Juicy D. Links
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 122992
    #1

    Envisionextadult does some really GOOD DESIGN work yo............

    http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

    Wow i have checked there stuff out before but was looking again now and all I gotta is WOW.

    http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

    Good shit
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    • MrIzzz
      If u touch it, I will cum
      • Sep 2003
      • 22923
      #2
      new yorkers if i rememeber right


      WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

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        • Juicy D. Links
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 122992
          #3
          Originally posted by MrIzzz
          new yorkers if i rememeber right
          Yup Stan is local yo

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            • lotusmike
              Confirmed User
              • May 2005
              • 323
              #4
              Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
              http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

              Wow i have checked there stuff out before but was looking again now and all I gotta is WOW.

              http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

              Good shit
              I heard Envisionext outsources their stuff to Russians and marks up their cost to you 1,000%.

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                • bigdog
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 6964
                  #5
                  Originally posted by lotusmike
                  I heard Envisionext outsources their stuff to Russians and marks up their cost to you 1,000%.
                  who cares as long as the work is good

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                    • lotusmike
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2005
                      • 323
                      #6
                      Originally posted by bigdog
                      who cares as long as the work is good
                      You can find those same designers through e-lance and save a bundle. Remind me never to hire you for a project management position in xxx company.

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                        • Juicy D. Links
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 122992
                          #7
                          Originally posted by lotusmike
                          I heard Envisionext outsources their stuff to Russians and marks up their cost to you 1,000%.
                          shit looks hot whats your point?

                          End product is what I am looking for. If i am happy and the cost is in budget who cares?

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                            • seeric
                              ..........
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 41917
                              #8
                              envisionext does good work. who gives a fuck where the hell the designer is?

                              and yes, they have done sites for me.

                              stan send my check to.

                              123 someplace ave
                              sometown, usa
                              zip 54321

                              thank you.

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                                • phonesex
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2005
                                  • 3437
                                  #9
                                  I like the way they do their graphics. Very unique

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                                    • QuaWee
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jul 2004
                                      • 5791
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by lotusmike
                                      You can find those same designers through e-lance and save a bundle. Remind me never to hire you for a project management position in xxx company.
                                      wtf is your problem with them?
                                      i luv mainstream

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                                        • Doctor Dre
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 51692
                                          #11

                                          You are years late ... they always rocked ;)
                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                            • Juicy D. Links
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 122992
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Doctor Dre

                                              You are years late ... they always rocked ;)

                                              hehhe i am using em for my next design I am gonna contact em next week

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                                                • lotusmike
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2005
                                                  • 323
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by QuaWee
                                                  wtf is your problem with them?
                                                  Who has a problem? If I manage an efficient business i'm not going to hire vendors based on fan and fanfare. If you can find similar talents, show them a template and say "this style" and get it for much cheaper, what is the logical next step?

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                                                    • seeric
                                                      ..........
                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                      • 41917
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                      Who has a problem? If I manage an efficient business i'm not going to hire vendors based on fan and fanfare. If you can find similar talents, show them a template and say "this style" and get it for much cheaper, what is the logical next step?

                                                      yeah well fan and fanfare can't be presented in an online portfolio. quality does.

                                                      envisonext does great work. can't you tell by looking at the site?

                                                      even though i am not bosom buddies with the owners of envisionext, i do have experience with them, and i will honestly say that they have an above par business and creative level for this industry.

                                                      to be honest with you, the owners of envisionext don't even really like me because of a prior business associate of mine, so there really isn't a reason for me to promote them except they are good, so i guess you have my honest opinion now.

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                                                        • Juicy D. Links
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                          • 122992
                                                          #15
                                                          http://envisionextadult.com/portfoli...ter/index.html

                                                          thats a hot design

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                                                            • bigdog
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 6964
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                              You can find those same designers through e-lance and save a bundle. Remind me never to hire you for a project management position in xxx company.
                                                              You are telling me that the same exact designers that work for envison are avilable on elance?

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                                                                • Juicy D. Links
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 122992
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Webmaster Access they did also

                                                                  http://envisionextadult.com/portfoli...ess/index.html

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                                                                    • Juicy D. Links
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 122992
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by bigdog
                                                                      You are telling me that the same exact designers that work for envison are avilable on elance?
                                                                      guy is full of it , he prob has his own design firm and shit and wants to knock Envision Next who knows he has a agenda behind his posts

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                                                                        • Juicy D. Links
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 122992
                                                                          #19


                                                                          nice car skin there

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                                                                            • lotusmike
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                              • 323
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by bigdog
                                                                              You are telling me that the same exact designers that work for envison are avilable on elance?
                                                                              Open Photoshop CS, drag accross you current design rainbow gradient colored diamonds and circles. There, you are an 80% Envisionext designer.

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                                                                                • Number1Thumb
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 1135
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  likewhoa

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                                                                                    • Sosa
                                                                                      In Tushy Land
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 40149
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      ya damn good stuff

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                                                                                        • BIGTYMER
                                                                                          Junior Achiever
                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                          • 17066
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Some nice work.

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                                                                                            • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 122992
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                                                              Open Photoshop CS, drag accross you current design rainbow gradient colored diamonds and circles. There, you are an 80% Envisionext designer.
                                                                                              Ok i do that now , now what? i put pics in?

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                                                                                                • VeriSexy
                                                                                                  Join The Royal Family
                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                  • 25463
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Number1Thumb
                                                                                                  likewhoa

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                                                                                                    • Number1Thumb
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                      • 1135
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by VeriSexy
                                                                                                      People forget too easily, wonder how many people go screwed by them
                                                                                                      yes they do and alot got fucked

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                                                                                                        • High Quality
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                          • 5741
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Yes, but $4,000 for a site is too fucken expensive.

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                                                                                                            • lotusmike
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                                              • 323
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by High Quality
                                                                                                              Yes, but $4,000 for a site is too fucken expensive.
                                                                                                              Or $10K for some programming. What a rip.

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                                                                                                                • makefuckingmoney
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                  • 3277
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  they probably are the best at doing affilate program designs..

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                                                                                                                    • takeme
                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                      • 47
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      they are the best in affiliate programs design ...

                                                                                                                      about russians ... it doesn't matter ... quality says everything ...

                                                                                                                      Juicy ... all I can say ... you will be impressed ... I know what I am talking about ;) you will be in a good hands ;) just tell Stan that you want his BEST designer hehe ... ;)

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                                                                                                                        • ServerGenius
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                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                          • 9377
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Number1Thumb
                                                                                                                          likewhoa
                                                                                                                          I wonder how adultcentro is doing you can't forget that one
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                                                                                                                            • Bama
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                              • 2727
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                                                                                              Who has a problem? If I manage an efficient business i'm not going to hire vendors based on fan and fanfare. If you can find similar talents, show them a template and say "this style" and get it for much cheaper, what is the logical next step?
                                                                                                                              How bout you show us a few of your sites where you've hired designers you think compare to Stan's team?

                                                                                                                              After your dipshit post about the soldiers getting killed and thinking it was funny I went and looked at your post history and you haven't made 1 positive post that I can see. You bring absolutely nothing to the table and have nothing to offer.

                                                                                                                              You're one of those type people that can not function in a social environment and the only way for you to even get noticed is to stand in the shadows and sprew worthless crap.

                                                                                                                              So step out of the shadows and put up some examples of your "better designed and at a better price" websites or shut the fuck up.

                                                                                                                              If you can't prove your point - don't bother trying to make one.

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                                                                                                                                • ORLY THE OWL
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                  • 14
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  rofl, what bullshit prices.

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                                                                                                                                    • Number1Thumb
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 1135
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DynaSpain
                                                                                                                                      I wonder how adultcentro is doing you can't forget that one
                                                                                                                                      good shit

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                                                                                                                                        • Dalai lama
                                                                                                                                          Strength and Honor
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 16540
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          They do good jobs but the pricing is quite high.

                                                                                                                                          A program you can trust.
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                                                                                                                                            • Theo
                                                                                                                                              HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 34515
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I like their work, but you can tell from a million miles away who did the design and this is problem when you try to brand (a new) program.

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                                                                                                                                                • jmk
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 5391
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I think they always did a good job ... their designs are really good! Yes they use russians or whatever but who cares!

                                                                                                                                                  mY question is do their paysites convert?

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                                                                                                                                                    • Herb Kornfield
                                                                                                                                                      Is on the 1
                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 4996
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Stans' work is top notch .... and yes, it converts like crazy.

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                                                                                                                                                        • DesignWise
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 3575
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by VeriSexy
                                                                                                                                                          People forget too easily, wonder how many people go screwed by them
                                                                                                                                                          .

                                                                                                                                                          oh that sux....
                                                                                                                                                          www.highendcreatives.com Galleries that sells.. . ICQ: 294696371

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                                                                                                                                                            • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 51692
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                                                                                                                              Open Photoshop CS, drag accross you current design rainbow gradient colored diamonds and circles. There, you are an 80% Envisionext designer.
                                                                                                                                                              ZzzZzzzzzZzzZz
                                                                                                                                                              I bet most of their stuff isn't done in PS ...
                                                                                                                                                              shows how much you know
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                                                • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 51692
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bama
                                                                                                                                                                  How bout you show us a few of your sites where you've hired designers you think compare to Stan's team?

                                                                                                                                                                  After your dipshit post about the soldiers getting killed and thinking it was funny I went and looked at your post history and you haven't made 1 positive post that I can see. You bring absolutely nothing to the table and have nothing to offer.

                                                                                                                                                                  You're one of those type people that can not function in a social environment and the only way for you to even get noticed is to stand in the shadows and sprew worthless crap.

                                                                                                                                                                  So step out of the shadows and put up some examples of your "better designed and at a better price" websites or shut the fuck up.

                                                                                                                                                                  If you can't prove your point - don't bother trying to make one.

                                                                                                                                                                  The guy just got verbally raped
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • $tandaman
                                                                                                                                                                      Pimping 8EZ
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 3530
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

                                                                                                                                                                      Wow i have checked there stuff out before but was looking again now and all I gotta is WOW.

                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.envisionextadult.com/des_portfolio.php

                                                                                                                                                                      Good shit
                                                                                                                                                                      Hey Juicy & Everyone thanks for the compliments! appreciate it guys!
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                                                                                                                                                                        • $tandaman
                                                                                                                                                                          Pimping 8EZ
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3530
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by lotusmike
                                                                                                                                                                          Who has a problem? If I manage an efficient business i'm not going to hire vendors based on fan and fanfare. If you can find similar talents, show them a template and say "this style" and get it for much cheaper, what is the logical next step?

                                                                                                                                                                          Ok, how about this Mike. I will be you $5k, i will sho you a design in my portfolio, you find me a designer on elance, and if he delivers you get paid. We can have GFY decide. If he doesn't, YOU pay. Pay up or shut up.

                                                                                                                                                                          If you don't know what you are talking about, don't speak. We have a large staff of INHOUSE designers, who do not perform work for anyone else. Ocasionally, when we are overbooked, just like any design company we will outsource our work to contractors, who we have tested before and who has performed on the level we find acceptable to say 'Envisionext Style'.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • atomicbomb
                                                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 73
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Hey ...
                                                                                                                                                                              the truth is that this guy has greatness with networking and vector illustration,basic flash, die hard design html code, and a flare for the female figure as the greatest eye magnet to every guy out there. Design is pretty bunched.... if that was corected...unstoppable...would rally...can I get a hell ya from the rest of the designers out there?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • $tandaman
                                                                                                                                                                                  Pimping 8EZ
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 3530
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by High Quality
                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, but $4,000 for a site is too fucken expensive.
                                                                                                                                                                                  All those people in our portfolio obviously do not think so. If you expect to get a quality design the first time, your time saving is what you are paying for.

                                                                                                                                                                                  In case you are unaware, our designer offices are located in Moscow. It has continuously been raked higher on the most expensive cities list comparing to our headquarters in new york.
                                                                                                                                                                                  check out CNN http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/21/pf/costliest_cities/
                                                                                                                                                                                  If you think it's all gravy, you are mistaken.

                                                                                                                                                                                  We have secured some of the best talent in the workd IMO, and it does not come cheap as everyone thinks.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Our art dirrector has been featured on Adobe.com and many other prominent design resources. You GET what you Pay for!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Try going to any similar sized mainstream design agency and get a quote. Get a quote from a few top adult designers (there are only 3 others i could name who could even closely compare) and see their pricing. It's right around the same area.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • justsexxx
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13723
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by $tandaman

                                                                                                                                                                                      Try going to any similar sized mainstream design agency and get a quote. Get a quote from a few top adult designers (there are only 3 others i could name who could even closely compare) and see their pricing. It's right around the same area.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Which 3 would you list here?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Questions?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • $tandaman
                                                                                                                                                                                          Pimping 8EZ
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 3530
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                                          I like their work, but you can tell from a million miles away who did the design and this is problem when you try to brand (a new) program.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Soul_Rebel, please remember that when a customer does not provide you with creative freedom, you can NOT deliver something that looks different. Our bigges t handicap last year has been designing TrafficCashGold 3.0 website.
                                                                                                                                                                                          We must have at least 10 other clients who were looking for something similar. If we swayed away from the concept, the customer would NOT accept the work.

                                                                                                                                                                                          On the other hand, there have been several others, who just allowed us to 'go with it' and see results.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Here are a few examples which i have personally liked, and looked different:
                                                                                                                                                                                          WebFric - http://envisionextadult.com/portfoli...ric/index.html
                                                                                                                                                                                          SunnyCams - http://envisionextadult.com/portfoli...ams/index.html
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • $tandaman
                                                                                                                                                                                              Pimping 8EZ
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 3530
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                                                              yeah well fan and fanfare can't be presented in an online portfolio. quality does.

                                                                                                                                                                                              envisonext does great work. can't you tell by looking at the site?

                                                                                                                                                                                              even though i am not bosom buddies with the owners of envisionext, i do have experience with them, and i will honestly say that they have an above par business and creative level for this industry.

                                                                                                                                                                                              to be honest with you, the owners of envisionext don't even really like me because of a prior business associate of mine, so there really isn't a reason for me to promote them except they are good, so i guess you have my honest opinion now.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Airek, we's got no beef with you, you bent backwards to get the project completed, and get us paid for the work we've done. You are good in our book, looking forward to working with you in the future. That associate though.. is another story ))))))
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  You are absolutely right on this, I should mention it as well. Let me revise by saying many of the upcoming aff. program owners don't have a clue on what they want.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • madness
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 37
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
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