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  • SteveLightspeed
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 7940
    #1

    Sued by a model for marketing her too well?

    We are being sued for being good marketers?

    "Plaintiff has been unable to earn a standard living in that her name and likeness has been appropriated and usurped by all defendants, and has caused her humiliation, embarressment, hurt feeling, mental anguish, and suffering"


    Isn't that called "Marketing?"


    Steve Lightspeed
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    • AndrewKanuck
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      • Jan 2004
      • 6706
      #2
      Haha - hope you got a tight contract with her

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        • pornguy
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          • Mar 2003
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          #3
          Yes, but not if you are an attorney.


          You should reconsider how you do your marketing. Dont make so much money for the girls. Ok?
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            • SteveLightspeed
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              • Jul 2001
              • 7940
              #4
              Are there any other models out there want to feel the anguish of being marketed well?

              Oh the horror!

              WTF??
              Abra-cadabra!

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                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                  best designer on GFY
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30307
                  #5
                  How much it gonna cost ya?

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                    • SBJ
                      So Fucking Fabulous
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 11377
                      #6
                      Wow that is bullshit! She knew going into this that she was going to be in porn on the net and because she didn't become the next Tawnee Stone she is sueing you!

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                        • newbreed
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                          • Nov 2003
                          • 9898
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Lightspeed
                          Are there any other models out there want to feel the anguish of being marketed well?

                          Oh the horror!

                          WTF??
                          Arika feels it man, send her some teen traffic to make her get over it.

                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                            • Chris
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • May 2003
                              • 27880
                              #8
                              lol love the hurt feelings line

                              she should of done her homework before she got into porn


                              So witch girl as it ? ;)
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                                • Fabuleux
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2003
                                  • 2543
                                  #9
                                  What happened, her father discovered the internet?

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                                    • webgurl
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 7954
                                      #10
                                      oh boy *sigh* stever, can you tell us more about why you're getting sued cause that sounds really unrealistic

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                                        • Spunky
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                                          • Jun 2002
                                          • 133978
                                          #11
                                          They knew the risk when they got in the game...they don't have much to stand on

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                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                              best designer on GFY
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 30307
                                              #12
                                              She just wants some cash to retire on, it will prolly settle out of court easily enough, but damn...

                                              Sorry to hear Steve

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                                                • SteveLightspeed
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 7940
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by webgurl
                                                  oh boy *sigh* stever, can you tell us more about why you're getting sued cause that sounds really unrealistic
                                                  Apparently she is unable to hold a regular job because she is recognized constantly as a Lightspeed model?

                                                  And no, its not nearly one of our top girls either. But I don't want to promote her here and cause her further "humiliation."
                                                  Abra-cadabra!

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                                                    • hydro
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 4216
                                                      #14
                                                      Lets hope you get some press coverage so you can get an avalanche of traffic again and maybe that'll chear you up a bit

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                                                        • WiredGuy
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 34516
                                                          #15
                                                          Seriously?! LOL, what a frivalous suit if that's the case! Sorry that we promoted you too well!

                                                          WG
                                                          I play with Google.

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                                                            • SteveLightspeed
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                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 7940
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                              Seriously?! LOL, what a frivalous suit if that's the case! Sorry that we promoted you too well!

                                                              WG
                                                              She may be much more recognizable now, but unfortately her site also is dead last in our lineup. With 15 girls, they can't all be #1, and there is always one on the bottom that gets her feelings hurt.

                                                              No one made money on her site, I actually lost money by hosting it and advertising it. I wish I could make every site as successful as Tawnee or Jordan or our other top girls, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.

                                                              So instead of walking away professionally, it all gets ugly in court over the bullshit hurt feelings of a website that just didn't work as well as everyone hoped.

                                                              Steve Lightspeed
                                                              Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                • SBJ
                                                                  So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 11377
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                  But I don't want to promote her here and cause her further "humiliation."


                                                                  Yeah I'd sue you if you posted pics of me all over GFY!

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                                                                    • Sammy4u
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 1844
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                      Are there any other models out there want to feel the anguish of being marketed well?

                                                                      Oh the horror!

                                                                      WTF??
                                                                      Hey Baby!

                                                                      I know I'm not 18 but come on... I need the anguish of being too popular. lol

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                                                                        • Jman
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                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                          • 22834
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Ohh Tebe, Me sue You, for you told me you would love me for a long long time and you did not.

                                                                          Shame on you tebe. I thaught you was my SupaMan


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                                                                            • pussyluver
                                                                              Clueless OleMan
                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 11009
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                              She may be much more recognizable now, but unfortately her site also is dead last in our lineup. With 15 girls, they can't all be #1, and there is always one on the bottom that gets her feelings hurt.

                                                                              No one made money on her site, I actually lost money by hosting it and advertising it. I wish I could make every site as successful as Tawnee or Jordan or our other top girls, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.

                                                                              So instead of walking away professionally, it all gets ugly in court over the bullshit hurt feelings of a website that just didn't work as well as everyone hoped.

                                                                              Steve Lightspeed
                                                                              Ahmmm, Seems like making it to be a model at Lightspeed would be a ticket to some good cash. So a bit of a surprise to hear she even needed a job.

                                                                              Someting tells me she was still paid for her work. Perhaps another modeling job??????

                                                                              Good luck, hope it goes away before you spend too much.

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                                                                                • Sly
                                                                                  Let's do some business!
                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                  • 31379
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Steve, if you need tips on marketing just let me know. My site has been a hit since inception.


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                                                                                    • WiredGuy
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                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 34516
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by JMan
                                                                                      Ohh Tebe, Me sue You, for you told me you would love me for a long long time and you did not.

                                                                                      Shame on you tebe. I thaught you was my SupaMan


                                                                                      ((God i am drunk))
                                                                                      LOL
                                                                                      I play with Google.

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                                                                                        • detoxed
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                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                          • 17798
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                          Ahmmm, Seems like making it to be a model at Lightspeed would be a ticket to some good cash. So a bit of a surprise to hear she even needed a job.

                                                                                          Someting tells me she was still paid for her work. Perhaps another modeling job??????

                                                                                          Good luck, hope it goes away before you spend too much.
                                                                                          you think being a lightspeed girl will make you set for life? lol she probably got less than $20k total

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                                                                                            • kush
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                              • 3382
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              My apologies if I'm wrong, but from the data I have and what you've said it looks like
                                                                                              http://www.evitasplayhouse.com/

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                                                                                                • Sosa
                                                                                                  In Tushy Land
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 40149
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  way to do your job

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                                                                                                    • SBJ
                                                                                                      So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                      • 11377
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by kush
                                                                                                      My apologies if I'm wrong, but from the data I have and what you've said it looks like
                                                                                                      http://www.evitasplayhouse.com/
                                                                                                      I always liked that girl for some reason

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                                                                                                        • PornGeneral
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                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                          • 564
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                                          Apparently she is unable to hold a regular job because she is recognized constantly as a Lightspeed model?

                                                                                                          And no, its not nearly one of our top girls either. But I don't want to promote her here and cause her further "humiliation."
                                                                                                          Its public record, and she made it so. Post the complaint...
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                                                                                                            • bigdog
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                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                              • 6964
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Sorry to hear that, hope everything works out well.

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                                                                                                                • XPays
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                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                  • 13002
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Hi Steve,

                                                                                                                  Can you email me or post a copy of the suit? This sounds like a summary judgement in your favor kind of suit but what a shitty precident if this thing goes anywhere.

                                                                                                                  I trust you have many defenses in her contract and am curious as to how this model's attorney could file such a suit in good faith.
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                                                                                                                    • Shoehorn!
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                                                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                      • 22872
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by kush
                                                                                                                      My apologies if I'm wrong, but from the data I have and what you've said it looks like
                                                                                                                      http://www.evitasplayhouse.com/
                                                                                                                      Damn, shes cute.

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                                                                                                                        • Mutt
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                          • 34431
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          if it's Evita she has zero chance at winning anything - she could walk down the street at noon in any city of the United States, apply for any job and maybe 1 in 100,000 people might think she's familiar looking to them from the Internet.

                                                                                                                          she is cute, and nasty - saw another girl pee down her throat on Pornication years ago.
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                                                                                                                            • PornGeneral
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                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                              • 564
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Doh, couldn't find any info when doing an ALL COURTS search..

                                                                                                                              http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/search.asp
                                                                                                                              "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                                                              "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                                                                • Easton
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                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 9825
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  sorry to hear about the lawsuit Steve... frankly i'm surprised the girls can even afford counsel

                                                                                                                                  the ones i shoot have to show up for a rough BJ jsut to get enough money to go for their AIM test so they can come back in 3 days to shoot the bareback anal scene... *shrug*

                                                                                                                                  that, or you pay your girls too much
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                                                                                                                                    • SBJ
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 11377
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Easton
                                                                                                                                      sorry to hear about the lawsuit Steve... frankly i'm surprised the girls can even afford counsel

                                                                                                                                      the ones i shoot have to show up for a rough BJ jsut to get enough money to go for their AIM test so they can come back in 3 days to shoot the bareback anal scene... *shrug*

                                                                                                                                      that, or you pay your girls too much

                                                                                                                                      nice!! yup Steve pays his girls too much would be my guess

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                                                                                                                                        • Huggles
                                                                                                                                          GFY'S #1 retard
                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 12582
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Easton
                                                                                                                                          sorry to hear about the lawsuit Steve... frankly i'm surprised the girls can even afford counsel

                                                                                                                                          the ones i shoot have to show up for a rough BJ jsut to get enough money to go for their AIM test so they can come back in 3 days to shoot the bareback anal scene... *shrug*

                                                                                                                                          that, or you pay your girls too much


                                                                                                                                          WTF


                                                                                                                                          What do you pay for a rough BJ scene?!?!?


                                                                                                                                          In Canada, a couple local models told me b/g hardcore was $250 cnd a shoot.
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                                                                                                                                            • Easton
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                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 9825
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Huggles
                                                                                                                                              WTF


                                                                                                                                              What do you pay for a rough BJ scene?!?!?


                                                                                                                                              In Canada, a couple local models told me b/g hardcore was $250 cnd a shoot.
                                                                                                                                              i pay them a lot more than the cost of the AIM test

                                                                                                                                              the point i was making is they are so dead broke that they need that shoot just to be able to afford the AIM test in order to do the "big scene"

                                                                                                                                              then again last week, one chick showed up in a pimpin Infiniti G35, so you never really know... LOL
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                                                                                                                                                • Easton
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                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Huggles
                                                                                                                                                  In Canada, a couple local models told me b/g hardcore was $250 cnd a shoot.
                                                                                                                                                  that's total bullshit... try about 3x that amount...
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                                                                                                                                                    • Donny
                                                                                                                                                      As you wish...
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 13754
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Is this her?

                                                                                                                                                      http://main.kinziekenner.com/45160/pr/rev

                                                                                                                                                      You said "Dead last". That site seems like a good shot for the "dead last" spot.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 12508
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          What are the chances of her winning a case like this?

                                                                                                                                                          Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. How can you blame those who tried promoting your site for it's failure?

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                                                                                                                                                            • kush
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 3382
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                                                                                              Is this her?

                                                                                                                                                              http://main.kinziekenner.com/45160/pr/rev

                                                                                                                                                              You said "Dead last". That site seems like a good shot for the "dead last" spot.
                                                                                                                                                              I'm curious how you came to the guess that she is dead last?

                                                                                                                                                              I based my judgement on alexa rankings and search term frequency, both of which Evita was last place of the girls, not counting the 4 girls listed as 'new' on LSC...

                                                                                                                                                              Also personally I think Evita has the least 'lightspeed look' to her of all the models, so to me that backs up the data....
                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by kush; 09-30-2004, 09:43 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 11377
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by kush
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm curious how you came to the guess that she is dead last?

                                                                                                                                                                  I based my judgement on alexa rankings and search term frequency, both of which Evita was last place of the girls, not counting the 4 girls listed as 'new' on LSC...

                                                                                                                                                                  Also personally I think Evita has the least 'lightspeed look' to her of all the models, so to me that backs up the data....
                                                                                                                                                                  maybe he was just throwing out a link as a guess like..

                                                                                                                                                                  I think it has to be http://main.stacybride.com/47332/pr/pps


                                                                                                                                                                  am I close?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mike Okitch
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                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4126
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps another modeling job??????
                                                                                                                                                                      Could it be some ploy to have a contract voided in court?

                                                                                                                                                                      Could it be a headhunting ploy masterminded by some content people?

                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know but that's just plain stupid of her to do such frivolous suit. I hope the judge laughs hard when seeing that.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Spunky
                                                                                                                                                                          I need a beer
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 133978
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                                                          What are the chances of her winning a case like this?

                                                                                                                                                                          Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. How can you blame those who tried promoting your site for it's failure?
                                                                                                                                                                          I bet the judge will just throw it out of court

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Donny
                                                                                                                                                                              As you wish...
                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 13754
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kush
                                                                                                                                                                              I'm curious how you came to the guess that she is dead last?

                                                                                                                                                                              I based my judgement on alexa rankings and search term frequency, both of which Evita was last place of the girls, not counting the 4 girls listed as 'new' on LSC...

                                                                                                                                                                              Also personally I think Evita has the least 'lightspeed look' to her of all the models, so to me that backs up the data....
                                                                                                                                                                              I base my data on statistics inside Lightspeedcash.com .

                                                                                                                                                                              Slightly more accurate than Alexa and search term frequency.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • PornGeneral
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 564
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Would be nice to know the model, then we could promote the shit out of her and make lightspeedcash some defense money...
                                                                                                                                                                                  "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                                                                                                                  "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 11377
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by spunky
                                                                                                                                                                                      I bet the judge will just throw it out of court
                                                                                                                                                                                      that would be my guess too..

                                                                                                                                                                                      I mean the judge sees she was signed up by her own will to do softcore net work and now she can't keep a job cause she is too well known? come on! the judge will laugh at this and say.. "yeah I've seen your site but I didn't sign up cause the exit pop up was Staci Bride and she is HOT"

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • kush
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                                                                                                                          I base my data on statistics inside Lightspeedcash.com .

                                                                                                                                                                                          Slightly more accurate than Alexa and search term frequency.
                                                                                                                                                                                          lol... well according to my LS account data Evita is behind Kinzie, but I wouldn't say the numbers I pushed were large enough to form a good opinion ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                          Mind if I ask what sort of numbers you saw for both girls?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • SBJ
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 11377
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by PornGeneral
                                                                                                                                                                                              Would be nice to know the model, then we could promote the shit out of her and make lightspeedcash some defense money...
                                                                                                                                                                                              I know the girl and trust me she doesn't convert well

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 51692
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok steve we all want to know who she is now ... pleaseeee
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Donny
                                                                                                                                                                                                      As you wish...
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13754
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by kush
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mind if I ask what sort of numbers you saw for both girls?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      What I WILL tell you is that I have sent THOUSANDS of uniques to TiffanyParis.com and my year-to-date conversion ratio on her site is 1:104.

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