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  • Nysus
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2001
    • 7817
    #1

    CEO of Epoch/PayCom

    In Epoch/PayCom's thread by Chris Mallick (CEO) I made a reply to another's post:

    I know one of these the government will come down on any processor allowing questionable billing such as pre-checked cross-sales, etc.. It would be a lovely end to 'maximizing profits' through extra billing at point of sale.

    This is what Chris Mallick (CEO) had to say in response to me bringing up their bad apple:

    Originally posted by Chris Mallick
    Were you not held enough as a child?
    Go to http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=360460 for thread


    I find that to be quite pathetic of him and very unprofessional. Also makes me realize his stance/feelings on this bad apple business practice of theirs.

    Matt
    What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

    Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

    See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645
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    • galleryseek
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2002
      • 8234
      #2
      yeah, what a cock sucker.

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        • Biggy2
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 1821
          #3
          were you not held enough as a child?

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            • Chris Mallick
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2002
              • 679
              #4
              Originally posted by Nysus
              In Epoch/PayCom's thread by Chris Mallick (CEO) I made a reply to another's post:

              I know one of these the government will come down on any processor allowing questionable billing such as pre-checked cross-sales, etc.. It would be a lovely end to 'maximizing profits' through extra billing at point of sale.

              This is what Chris Mallick (CEO) had to say in response to me bringing up their bad apple:



              Go to http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=360460 for thread


              I find that to be quite pathetic of him and very unprofessional. Also makes me realize his stance/feelings on this bad apple business practice of theirs.

              Matt
              Wow! You have made me think. I guess I should really stop and ty to "feel" what you were trying to say. I will get back to you with a pithy reply, maybe, but don't count on it. I and we satnd behind all of our business practices. We are compliant in all things to my knowledge.

              I don't want to feed your need to post and to argue over things you don;t really understand. So I am out for the night and not posting to this thread again.

              If you truly have a problem with me or anthing we do, I will extend to you an open invitation to fly to LA and sit with me, face-to-face and discuss this like gentlemen. If you need, we will pay for your plane ticket if you agree that we can video tape the meeting. I am sure I can change your thinking if you allow me the time to give you the facts.

              If you want, email me to discuss this further: [email protected]


              Night all............

              Chris Mallick
              [email protected]

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                • WiredGuy
                  Pounding Googlebot
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 34515
                  #5
                  I'd pay to see that interview between you two
                  WG
                  I play with Google.

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                    • robfantasy
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 6445
                      #6
                      epoch is good people, id rather have someone tell it like it is and be unprofessional, then a professional asshole blowing smoke up my ass.
                      Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg me

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                        • Lighter
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 207
                          #7
                          Nysus, wtf do you do in the industry?
                          and why would you be questioning one of the most successful
                          guys in this industry, and better yet why would you start dumb threads about it?

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                            • WiredGuy
                              Pounding Googlebot
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 34515
                              #8
                              On a serious note, there is nothing wrong with a processor giving the OPTION to enable cross-sales, prechecked or otherwise. This is not something that's new, it happens in mainstream businesses and is common practice (try ordering a flight on Expedia and you'll see various cross-sales before confirming a flight for limo service, meals, etc...).

                              Paycom is simply offering paysites the ability to do cross-sales and this is a legitimate means of driving additional revenues. In fact, a lot of people (myself included) depend on this business model such that sponsors can continue paying the rates they do to webmasters.

                              If you truly hate cross-sales, then simply don't offer them. I wouldn't go on a rampage because a processor offers this legitimate ability to maximize revenues/profits.

                              WG
                              Last edited by WiredGuy; 09-22-2004, 07:33 PM.
                              I play with Google.

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                                • BigWebRev
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 1631
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Lighter
                                  Nysus, wtf do you do in the industry?
                                  and why would you be questioning one of the most successful
                                  guys in this industry, and better yet why would you start dumb threads about it?
                                  Because he was not held enough as a child?

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                                    • AdnerAdvertising
                                      Registered User
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 1385
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Biggy2
                                      were you not held enough as a child?



                                      I'm pretty sure thats it.

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                                        • Matt 26z
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2002
                                          • 18481
                                          #11
                                          Nobody who does pre-checked cross-sales is going to say anything bad about their practice. They make too much money.

                                          Especially the way Paycom sets up the wording.

                                          "Click here to signup for a 3 day trial Membership to..."

                                          This implies action must be taken to buy the trial, when in reality since it's pre-checked action must be taken to NOT buy it.

                                          Of course, they get it right on the 18+ unchecked box above that when they state "Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age..."

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                                            • Furious_Male
                                              Doing the grind since 99
                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 16884
                                              #12
                                              I found the entire thread very informative. Although some of the replys were a bit informal that is to be expected on a board called go fuck yourself.
                                              Living in Virtual Reality
                                              Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

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                                                • Major (Tom)
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 32492
                                                  #13
                                                  Matt get over it man. You dont understand the deal.. Alot of these pre checked cross sales help keep you below the 1%... Its an extra transaction that raises the deominator which decreses your cb ratio... The more sales u have the less cb ratio u will have. Also u can spread these cb's over the a bunch of sites, with cross sales, reducing your cb number. These things help.. Stop thinking that surfers are the good people... they are not.. U do your best to provide the best customer support and the rest is up the the biller and the surfer.. Stop thinking this is dishonest. Man, its like talking about sex to a preist...

                                                  Duke

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                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                      • 18481
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                      You dont understand the deal.. Alot of these pre checked cross sales help keep you below the 1%
                                                      I'm sure he understands the motive, but it's also questionable to use pre-checked boxes with unclear text.

                                                      Their use of the word "Check here" on the unchecked age box and "Click here" on the checked trial box really says something.

                                                      Again, "Check here" or "Click here" implies action must be taken to say yes. That's simply not the case with a pre-checked box.

                                                      Some surfers who don't understand that checked boxes always mean yes are leaving them checked as per the instructions next to the box.

                                                      According to the instructions, if you do want the trial then you should "Click here". That's not correct if it's already pre-checked.

                                                      A solution to stop the confusion would be to use "Check here" in both cases.
                                                      Last edited by Matt 26z; 09-22-2004, 07:52 PM.

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                                                        • Alex From San Diego
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2001
                                                          • 1642
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Chris Mallick
                                                          Wow! You have made me think. I guess I should really stop and ty to "feel" what you were trying to say. I will get back to you with a pithy reply, maybe, but don't count on it. I and we satnd behind all of our business practices. We are compliant in all things to my knowledge.

                                                          I don't want to feed your need to post and to argue over things you don;t really understand. So I am out for the night and not posting to this thread again.

                                                          If you truly have a problem with me or anthing we do, I will extend to you an open invitation to fly to LA and sit with me, face-to-face and discuss this like gentlemen. If you need, we will pay for your plane ticket if you agree that we can video tape the meeting. I am sure I can change your thinking if you allow me the time to give you the facts.

                                                          If you want, email me to discuss this further: [email protected]


                                                          Night all............
                                                          Chris don't sweat this type of crap from people like Matt. they think they know it all but in reality they couldn't navigate themselves inside the middle of a Cheerio. They are people that just like to bitch because they can't figure out this industry to make enough to pay for their measly rent much less anything else. Don't even waste your time with this type of individual.
                                                          We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

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                                                            • Nysus
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                              • 7817
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
                                                              Chris don't sweat this type of crap from people like Matt. they think they know it all but in reality they couldn't navigate themselves inside the middle of a Cheerio. They are people that just like to bitch because they can't figure out this industry to make enough to pay for their measly rent much less anything else. Don't even waste your time with this type of individual.
                                                              I didn't take you for a greedy idiot, glad you posted though.

                                                              My argument is based on morales and business ethics.

                                                              You all know the tactics you use DOES increase revenue, but it doesn't mean you should do it; hence the morales.

                                                              Grow up and be professional.

                                                              And anyone that is "all for it" makes more money from it, but at the expense of unknowingly (sometimes) billing surfers more than they expected; you all know that.

                                                              Just because it allows paysites / programs to pay out more to you doesn't really mean anything.

                                                              They could just have high-converting sites, because they're quality, and surfers actually want the product.

                                                              For example: LightspeedCash.com and their sites.

                                                              I hope more of you greedy fucks who are arrogant-because-it-makes-you-more-money post in here, I'm making my list.

                                                              Notice: Everyone who posts arguing against my statements DOESN'T respond to my main point of ethics and morales. I wonder why...

                                                              By the way - I do have a large amount of support, they just don't come forward because of how business works, they deal with everyone as well.

                                                              Matt
                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                • Nysus
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                  • 7817
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                  Matt get over it man. You dont understand the deal.. Alot of these pre checked cross sales help keep you below the 1%... Its an extra transaction that raises the deominator which decreses your cb ratio... The more sales u have the less cb ratio u will have. Also u can spread these cb's over the a bunch of sites, with cross sales, reducing your cb number. These things help.. Stop thinking that surfers are the good people... they are not.. U do your best to provide the best customer support and the rest is up the the biller and the surfer.. Stop thinking this is dishonest. Man, its like talking about sex to a preist...

                                                                  Duke
                                                                  I do understand it.

                                                                  I find it really funny that you say pre-checked cross-sales decrease chargeback ratios?? LOL. You're ass-backwards there Don.

                                                                  Chargeback ratios increase because of pre-checked cross-sales, but sponsors that do them don't care it increases their revenues (and yes, number of billing charges that go through).

                                                                  And it IS dishonest because the reason revenues increase from pre-checked cross-sales is because a certain % of surfers won't uncheck them, and a certain % of surfers won't cancel, and a certain % of surfers won't chargeback.

                                                                  You all know that, which is why you have them.

                                                                  Matt
                                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                    • s9ann0
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                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                      • 4873
                                                                      #18
                                                                      you are all hahahahas

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                                                                        • Nysus
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                          • 7817
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                          On a serious note, there is nothing wrong with a processor giving the OPTION to enable cross-sales, prechecked or otherwise. This is not something that's new, it happens in mainstream businesses and is common practice (try ordering a flight on Expedia and you'll see various cross-sales before confirming a flight for limo service, meals, etc...).
                                                                          Pre-checked cross-sales that aren't obvious?

                                                                          And just because someone else does it, doesn't mean it's ethical or honest. If you're trying to use that as an argument then you surprised me.


                                                                          Paycom is simply offering paysites the ability to do cross-sales and this is a legitimate means of driving additional revenues. In fact, a lot of people (myself included) depend on this business model such that sponsors can continue paying the rates they do to webmasters.
                                                                          You're a really great guy Charles and not meaning any harm by this, but the reason you're fending for pre-checked cross-sales is you make your money from them - your business model depends on them, your living depends on them.


                                                                          If you truly hate cross-sales, then simply don't offer them. I wouldn't go on a rampage because a processor offers this legitimate ability to maximize revenues/profits.

                                                                          WG
                                                                          Don't you think it would be better though if programs had quality paysites that surfers signed up to, and THEN retain them by them being updated with quality non-cookie cutter content, and THAT is how programs maximize profits for themselves and you??

                                                                          Once again, your business model doesn't allow for that, but in general this would be true.

                                                                          Matt
                                                                          What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                          Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                          See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                            • drctfiesta
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                              • 1821
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Nysus, go suck a camel cock.
                                                                              You are nothing.
                                                                              You know nothing.
                                                                              You are insignificant.

                                                                              Allah Ouakbar
                                                                              *

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                                                                                • Nysus
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                  • 7817
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Chris, I'd never meet with you to be attacked by you immaturely.

                                                                                  You obviously don't care how you treat society so I wouldn't be stupid enough to put myself in a situation to be treated the same by you.

                                                                                  It's funny how you quoted "feel" as if it's not something you do.

                                                                                  Matt


                                                                                  Originally posted by Chris Mallick
                                                                                  Wow! You have made me think. I guess I should really stop and ty to "feel" what you were trying to say. I will get back to you with a pithy reply, maybe, but don't count on it. I and we satnd behind all of our business practices. We are compliant in all things to my knowledge.

                                                                                  I don't want to feed your need to post and to argue over things you don;t really understand. So I am out for the night and not posting to this thread again.

                                                                                  If you truly have a problem with me or anthing we do, I will extend to you an open invitation to fly to LA and sit with me, face-to-face and discuss this like gentlemen. If you need, we will pay for your plane ticket if you agree that we can video tape the meeting. I am sure I can change your thinking if you allow me the time to give you the facts.

                                                                                  If you want, email me to discuss this further: [email protected]


                                                                                  Night all............
                                                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                    • Nysus
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by drctfiesta
                                                                                      Nysus, go suck a camel cock.
                                                                                      You are nothing.
                                                                                      You know nothing.
                                                                                      You are insignificant.

                                                                                      Allah Ouakbar
                                                                                      Big man.

                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                        • 12clicks
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 19814
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Nysus


                                                                                          Grow up and be professional.



                                                                                          Matt
                                                                                          This carries more weight when said by someone not posting from mommy's apartment.


                                                                                          by the way, I saw that post about your underage site you used in your profile.
                                                                                          I thought you got out of that business a while ago, no?
                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                            • Nysus
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                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 7817
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                              This carries more weight when said by someone not posting from mommy's apartment.


                                                                                              by the way, I saw that post about your underage site you used in your profile.
                                                                                              I thought you got out of that business a while ago, no?
                                                                                              Congrats, you just joined the immature and pathetic club. Grow up.

                                                                                              And I didn't put that URL there, I don't know how it got there - would anyone be that stupid to put an underage URL in their profile if they actually promoted underage stuff?

                                                                                              Stop being fucking idiots.

                                                                                              And by the way - if anyone accuses me of promoting underage stuff (in the past or present) I will come after you; not attack you but with a nice thing called defamation. Jack ass.

                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                • 12clicks
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 19814
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Nysus
                                                                                                  Congrats, you just joined the immature and pathetic club. Grow up.

                                                                                                  And I didn't put that URL there, I don't know how it got there - would anyone be that stupid to put an underage URL in their profile if they actually promoted underage stuff?

                                                                                                  Stop being fucking idiots.

                                                                                                  And by the way - if anyone accuses me of promoting underage stuff (in the past or present) I will come after you; not attack you but with a nice thing called defamation. Jack ass.

                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                  please child, do you think your threats mean anything to me?
                                                                                                  how will the lawsuit look with your mom as the co-signer?

                                                                                                  the only things in *my* profile are the ones I put there, just like everyone else. But hey, you want us to believe you're different.
                                                                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                    • Nysus
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?

                                                                                                      Biggy2, WiredGuy, robfantasy, Lighter, BigWebRev, AdnerAdvertising, DukeSkywalker, Alex From San Diego, drctfiesta (or whoever you are), or 12clicks?

                                                                                                      robfantasy - I'm sorry to see the reply you made.. alwell.

                                                                                                      Also, if you think I'm attacking you because you use Epoch/PayCom you're 100% wrong. I'm attacking pre-checked cross-sales, though I'm sure a large % of people processing with Epoch/PayCom use pre-checked cross-sales and therefore Epoch/PayCom makes a large % of their revenues off of pre-checked cross-sales.



                                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                        • Validus
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                          • 4012
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Payment processing is much more complex than most people believe. It should also not be forgotten that executives generally do not have a lot of time; therefore the time Chris took to answer questions should be appreciated.

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                                                                                                            • Nysus
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                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                              • 7817
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                              please child, do you think your threats mean anything to me?
                                                                                                              how will the lawsuit look with your mom as the co-signer?

                                                                                                              the only things in *my* profile are the ones I put there, just like everyone else. But hey, you want us to believe you're different.
                                                                                                              Continue amusing yourself please, it's entertaining, and makes you look like a fucking idiot; just my opinion though, everyone else will hopefully make up their own, but that's usually not the case on GFY.

                                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                • Nysus
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                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                  • 7817
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Validus
                                                                                                                  Payment processing is much more complex than most people believe. It should also not be forgotten that executives generally do not have a lot of time; therefore the time Chris took to answer questions should be appreciated.
                                                                                                                  He didn't answer questions. Sorry if that's what you perceived his attacks to be.

                                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                    • NiteRain
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                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                      • 600
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I went to California, to meet with them along with a few other affiliates, FlashCash, and some other one, to talk about the problems we were having with flexpost and how to make it better, when it first came out. At the time it didn't have Croxsales, and I suggested they add it into their system, they didn't like that idea at all at the time. Then a few months went by and they added it.

                                                                                                                      I think paycom was the first processor to take the regulations seriously, I remember when we were still posting creditcard information to alot of the processors out there, and flexpost was still trying to find footing, they must have took a huge hit. We stopped using them all together. But they wouldn't let go of I think a million of our money so we had to turn them back on, LOL.

                                                                                                                      As for Chris Mallick the person, he was a cool guy when I met him. And their DBA Cal was extremely helpful, along with Manish their programmer.

                                                                                                                      I do have a list of things about their product code system I don't like, but will leave that for another thread.
                                                                                                                      AIM: PerlScriptor

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                                                                                                                        • JFK
                                                                                                                          FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                          • 67369
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Nysus , dont you have anything better to do than this ?? Like trying to hustle people to invest in your next grand scheme, or trying to get a piece of their action in return for your work ?

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                                                                                                                            • 12clicks
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                              • 19814
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Nysus
                                                                                                                              OH - By the way, how many of you against what I'm saying (and attacking me) make money promoting programs that have pre-checked cross-sales?


                                                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                                                              not me.
                                                                                                                              I'm attacking you for being an asshole. Nothing more.
                                                                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 19814
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Nysus
                                                                                                                                  Continue amusing yourself please, it's entertaining, and makes you look like a fucking idiot; just my opinion though, everyone else will hopefully make up their own, but that's usually not the case on GFY.

                                                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                                                  mommy tell you you don't have a case?
                                                                                                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                    • Nysus
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by NiteRain
                                                                                                                                      I went to California, to meet with them along with a few other affiliates, FlashCash, and some other one, to talk about the problems we were having with flexpost and how to make it better, when it first came out. At the time it didn't have Croxsales, and I suggested they add it into their system, they didn't like that idea at all at the time. Then a few months went by and they added it.

                                                                                                                                      I think paycom was the first processor to take the regulations seriously, I remember when we were still posting creditcard information to alot of the processors out there, and flexpost was still trying to find footing, they must have took a huge hit. We stopped using them all together. But they wouldn't let go of I think a million of our money so we had to turn them back on, LOL.

                                                                                                                                      As for Chris Mallick the person, he was a cool guy when I met him. And their DBA Cal was extremely helpful, along with Manish their programmer.

                                                                                                                                      I do have a list of things about their product code system I don't like, but will leave that for another thread.
                                                                                                                                      People put on a 'game face' or show face in a business environment or when they're trying to look good to clients or potential clients.

                                                                                                                                      You can see Epoch/PayCom's CEO's true colours here though.

                                                                                                                                      And once again I'll state that just because something has been created to provide something (pre-checked cross-sales; I have nothing wrong with cross-sales directly), does not mean it is ethical or honest to surfers / customers.

                                                                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                        • wyldblyss
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 5779
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                          On a serious note, there is nothing wrong with a processor giving the OPTION to enable cross-sales, prechecked or otherwise. This is not something that's new, it happens in mainstream businesses and is common practice (try ordering a flight on Expedia and you'll see various cross-sales before confirming a flight for limo service, meals, etc...).

                                                                                                                                          Paycom is simply offering paysites the ability to do cross-sales and this is a legitimate means of driving additional revenues. In fact, a lot of people (myself included) depend on this business model such that sponsors can continue paying the rates they do to webmasters.

                                                                                                                                          If you truly hate cross-sales, then simply don't offer them. I wouldn't go on a rampage because a processor offers this legitimate ability to maximize revenues/profits.

                                                                                                                                          WG
                                                                                                                                          Very well said. Cross sales are not mandatory...either the sponsor offering them or the customer taking them. Everyone has the option

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                                                                                                                                            • Nysus
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 7817
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                                              Nysus , dont you have anything better to do than this ?? Like trying to hustle people to invest in your next grand scheme, or trying to get a piece of their action in return for your work ?
                                                                                                                                              Wow. Lovely. Who are you trying to impress?

                                                                                                                                              Isn't BUSINESS hustling / making deals with people, getting investors or partners, to attempt to "get a piece of their action in return for your work" ?

                                                                                                                                              LOL. At least don't be an idiot if you try to attack someone.

                                                                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 7817
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                  not me.
                                                                                                                                                  I'm attacking you for being an asshole. Nothing more.
                                                                                                                                                  Invalid answer, sorry.

                                                                                                                                                  I'm not being an asshole, CEO of Epoch/PayCom (Chris Mallick) was.

                                                                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                    • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                      mommy tell you you don't have a case?
                                                                                                                                                      You must have a demented definition of what being an asshole consists of.

                                                                                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                        • Tipsy
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 6989
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Nysus - you really are nothing more than a spoilt little child, throwing tantrums on subjects he has no clue about. Do yourself and everyone else a favour and shutup for a while.
                                                                                                                                                          Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Pornkings
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 5334
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Chris Mallick
                                                                                                                                                              Wow! You have made me think. I guess I should really stop and ty to "feel" what you were trying to say. I will get back to you with a pithy reply, maybe, but don't count on it. I and we satnd behind all of our business practices. We are compliant in all things to my knowledge.

                                                                                                                                                              I don't want to feed your need to post and to argue over things you don;t really understand. So I am out for the night and not posting to this thread again.

                                                                                                                                                              If you truly have a problem with me or anthing we do, I will extend to you an open invitation to fly to LA and sit with me, face-to-face and discuss this like gentlemen. If you need, we will pay for your plane ticket if you agree that we can video tape the meeting. I am sure I can change your thinking if you allow me the time to give you the facts.

                                                                                                                                                              If you want, email me to discuss this further: [email protected]


                                                                                                                                                              Night all............

                                                                                                                                                              Paycom knows what it's doing And Pornkings backs them 100%

                                                                                                                                                              Chris I'll take your offer on. Make sure its a private jet
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                                                                                                                                                                • JFK
                                                                                                                                                                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 67369
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                  Wow. Lovely. Who are you trying to impress?

                                                                                                                                                                  Isn't BUSINESS hustling / making deals with people, getting investors or partners, to attempt to "get a piece of their action in return for your work" ?

                                                                                                                                                                  LOL. At least don't be an idiot if you try to attack someone.

                                                                                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not trying to impress anyone, let alone you. Your only business model seems to be trying to part people from their money to invest in your schemes. You need some growing up to do before you start attacking others

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                                                                                                                                                                    • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                                                                      Nysus , dont you have anything better to do than this ?? Like trying to hustle people to invest in your next grand scheme, or trying to get a piece of their action in return for your work ?
                                                                                                                                                                      JFK, care to elaborate?
                                                                                                                                                                      My days of keeping track of the antics of two bit punks is long gone.
                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                          Invalid answer, sorry.

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not being an asshole

                                                                                                                                                                          Matt
                                                                                                                                                                          apparently, in underage fantasy land, the truth is invalid.
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7817
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by wyldblyss
                                                                                                                                                                              Very well said. Cross sales are not mandatory...either the sponsor offering them or the customer taking them. Everyone has the option
                                                                                                                                                                              Cross-sales are a GREAT opportunity for increasing revenues.

                                                                                                                                                                              Why pre-checked though?

                                                                                                                                                                              Provide something that entices the surfer to check the box and want the cross-sale; such as LightspeedCash.com does. They provide a quality product, and offer the cross-sale of another quality product which they allow you to view and browse beforehand and THEN check it if they want to accept the offer.

                                                                                                                                                                              Cross-sales aren't manditory, but why do they make them Pre-checked? Why not leave them unchecked? Why not? Because surfers don't uncheck them, don't cancel, a % allow the rebill but cancel, and a % don't chargeback.

                                                                                                                                                                              If they left them unchecked their revenues would go down because what they offer isn't worth what they charge (in their cross-sales).

                                                                                                                                                                              Solution? Offer cross-sales surfers would want. You'll actually make more money because you'll retain them as well.

                                                                                                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                                                                                                              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                                              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                                              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 7817
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                  JFK, care to elaborate?
                                                                                                                                                                                  My days of keeping track of the antics of two bit punks is long gone.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I made a proposal to JFK where I'd develop FubarWebmasters.com further by having a commenting system per picture, rating system, and ability for users to submit their own photos into convention areas for others to browse and comment on; create a community, in exchange for a % ownership.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The community would increase webmaster returns and create interactivity that doesn't currently exist on his site.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Good try 12clicks at trying to find dirt on me, but it just backfired.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                      apparently, in underage fantasy land, the truth is invalid.
                                                                                                                                                                                      What's your purpose of continuing to refer to underage?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Princess Ellisa
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 1883
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
                                                                                                                                                                                          they think they know it all but in reality they couldn't navigate themselves inside the middle of a Cheerio.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I am stealing this expression and there is nothing you can do... that is funny as Hell


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                                                                                                                                                                                            • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Nysus


                                                                                                                                                                                              Good try 12clicks at trying to find dirt on me, but it just backfired.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                              if I want to try and find dirt on you I'll wait for the GFY search page to come back up and type in "Nysus + underage"
                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 40377
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd pay to see that interview between you two
                                                                                                                                                                                                  WG
                                                                                                                                                                                                  But please no cross sales on the join page
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Nysus
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7817
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                                      if I want to try and find dirt on you I'll wait for the GFY search page to come back up and type in "Nysus + underage"
                                                                                                                                                                                                      It amazes me how some people on here continue to dig their grave.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                                      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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