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  • Drake
    Hello world!
    • Mar 2003
    • 12508
    #51
    Originally posted by Rick Latona
    I wish I wasn't, bro. I wasn't trying to cause shit over the last couple of days. I've been trying to warn everyone.
    And we appreciate it Rick. It adds credibility to whatever you say.

    I'm crossing my fingers for the best, but a life lesson, is never to think something that seems almost impossible to happen won't happen. It sometimes does happen, so brace yourself for it.

    I hope it works out. If not, I hope the companies using Ibill (especially those using processing with Ibill alone), can obtain an alternate solution. This will be a crippling blow.

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      • Veterans Day
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        • Jul 2003
        • 8403
        #52
        Things work in wierd ways, and to think verotel was the one who was supposed to be dead in a year. According to gfy anyway, 99.9% of GFY is horseshit. Good lookin out rick.
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          • Major (Tom)
            So Fucking Banned
            • Nov 2003
            • 32492
            #53
            Originally posted by Chandiegirl
            BIG statement, for sure.

            Rick, where did your info come from?
            Seems that there is alot of info being
            tossed around. Are you certain the source
            is reliable?


            C
            Sad thing is, Rick is right... This is like the scene in titanic where the band is still playing. Do we make like all is ok and dance and ignore the sinking ship or do we jump...

            See ya in the water
            Duke

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              • stocktrader23
                Let's do some business.
                • Jan 2003
                • 18781
                #54
                Originally posted by Calvinguy
                Any links?
                I doubt it's advertised. Stocks don't get halted for no good reason though.


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                  • MarkTiarra
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                    • Aug 2002
                    • 3833
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Nysus
                    They don't have to create the infrastructure, they have to find a company with an existing infrastructure. There are other companies like First Data.

                    Matt
                    Obviously any huge processing bank has infrastructure in place but this isn't fucking plug and play. If it was I Bill would have already been processing with the new bank and woulnd;t have had to go to court to try to keep First Data going. Use your nogin buddy! You also have the issue of the existing rebilling database being moved. That's a ton of sensitive data to deal with.

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                      • Veterans Day
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 8403
                        #56
                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                        I doubt it's advertised. Stocks don't get halted for no good reason though.
                        The stock halt is the real blow. The Fed dont fuck around. Thats the sign you look for
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                          • MarkTiarra
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                            • Aug 2002
                            • 3833
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Veterans Day
                            The stock halt is the real blow. The Fed dont fuck around. Thats the sign you look for
                            Fucking A right... and fucking B too.

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                              • Shap
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                                • May 2001
                                • 8313
                                #58
                                http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=IBD
                                Apparently it stopped trading on Monday evening

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                                  • XPays
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                                    • May 2004
                                    • 13002
                                    #59
                                    first off- rick latona - nice shill-job!

                                    secondly- i spoke with ibill and it is certainly a crisis and they are "moving their traffic to a new merchant account" right now. they need a little time to figure things out and to all of the people affected- we wish you a speedy recovery followed by speedy growth.

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                                      • PornGeneral
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                                        • Sep 2004
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                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Calvinguy
                                        Any links?
                                        I should have clarified that the $.09 cents a share price is my guess. The market sets the price. But with such small volume and the company Care Concepts only real operating arm would have been iBill which it just paid $55 million for (in stock) I can only assume it will be hammered like the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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                                          • Sosa
                                            In Tushy Land
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 40149
                                            #61
                                            hahahaha shit fuck piss, one of my sponsors I still have a lot of rebills with uses Ibill. fuck fuck fuck

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                                              • stocktrader23
                                                Let's do some business.
                                                • Jan 2003
                                                • 18781
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by PornGeneral
                                                I should have clarified that the $.09 cents a share price is my guess. The market sets the price. But with such small volume and the company Care Concepts only real operating arm would have been iBill which it just paid $55 million for (in stock) I can only assume it will be hammered like the Taliban in Afghanistan.
                                                I would wager you are correct.


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                                                  • MarkTiarra
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                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 3833
                                                    #63
                                                    And might I add to this thread two thoughts:

                                                    1) This is why cascading is so crucial. We've got three billers on Duke Dollars so flipping one down is no big deal and that's quite a relief although some of the eggs in the rebilling basket would stll get squooshed.

                                                    2) Yet another argument for getting your own merchant account as soon as you can and capturing the data internally so you can move your database if need be.

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                                                      • Rick Latona
                                                        The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                        • 6037
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by XPays
                                                        first off- rick latona - nice shill-job!

                                                        secondly- i spoke with ibill and it is certainly a crisis and they are "moving their traffic to a new merchant account" right now. they need a little time to figure things out and to all of the people affected- we wish you a speedy recovery followed by speedy growth.

                                                        thirdly- XPays has paid and always will pay out on all joins commenced regardless of our ability to collect from any third party. Our variety is part of our business model.
                                                        shill Audio pronunciation of "shill" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
                                                        n.

                                                        One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.



                                                        Evan was that a compliment or an insult?
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                                                          • boobmaster
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 6185
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by XPays
                                                            first off- rick latona - nice shill-job!

                                                            secondly- i spoke with ibill and it is certainly a crisis and they are "moving their traffic to a new merchant account" right now. they need a little time to figure things out and to all of the people affected- we wish you a speedy recovery followed by speedy growth.
                                                            Who did you talk to? I heardf they were all in meetings. Noone I talked to knew anything. maybe they were told not to say anything.

                                                            Do you know if they have another processor lined up now? Will there be any interruprtion in payments?

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                                                              • PornGeneral
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                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                • 564
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                                Obviously any huge processing bank has infrastructure in place but this isn't fucking plug and play. If it was I Bill would have already been processing with the new bank and woulnd;t have had to go to court to try to keep First Data going. Use your nogin buddy! You also have the issue of the existing rebilling database being moved. That's a ton of sensitive data to deal with.
                                                                Sorry if I sound less then optimistic its because I have possible income loss if iBill goes under. I am just so mad that they waited till August 2004 to contact Merrick when they knew the Sept 15, 2004 deadline was approaching....
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                                                                  • Dawgy
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                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 5856
                                                                    #67
                                                                    does this affect EU processing?

                                                                    i assume not... that it only affects US joins & US rebills...
                                                                    the revolution is coming.

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                                                                      • Veterans Day
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                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 8403
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by MarkTiarra


                                                                        2) Yet another argument for getting your own merchant account as soon as you can and capturing the data internally so you can move your database if need be.
                                                                        THIS is the real and only realistic option, especially if your a large program that can do the volume, run a tight legitimate ship and care for your business future. 3rd party will all but die. Dont know when but it will happen.
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                                                                          • PornGeneral
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                                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                                            • 564
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                            I would wager you are correct.
                                                                            Shares Short (as of 9-Aug-04): 74.00K

                                                                            Someone is going to make a killing when it re-opens..
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                                                                              • tony299
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                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by PornGeneral
                                                                                Sorry if I sound less then optimistic its because I have possible income loss if iBill goes under. I am just so mad that they waited till August 2004 to contact Merrick when they knew the Sept 15, 2004 deadline was approaching....
                                                                                I doubt they did nothing til August, I assume that taking on a large adult processor takes tons of meeting and more paper work then you could dream of.

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                                                                                  • XPays
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                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                    • 13002
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                    shill Audio pronunciation of "shill" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
                                                                                    n.

                                                                                    One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.



                                                                                    Evan was that a compliment or an insult?
                                                                                    from everything i have heard- you licked the ass crevasses of friends you have made inside at ibill at shows and such, yet you play the shill here. your "support" is thinly veiled to say the least- but so be it. no need to kill the messenger- maybe a fake nic would have been suitable for ya here
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                                                                                      • MattO
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                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                        • 10861
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by MarkTiarra

                                                                                        2) Yet another argument for getting your own merchant account as soon as you can and capturing the data internally so you can move your database if need be.

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                                                                                          • Lensman
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                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 9846
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IBD&...=on&z=m&q=l&c=



                                                                                            The chart just stops.

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                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                I doubt they did nothing til August, I assume that taking on a large adult processor takes tons of meeting and more paper work then you could dream of.
                                                                                                Well obviously whatever they did wasn't enough huh?


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                                                                                                  • Rick Latona
                                                                                                    The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                                    • 6037
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                    from everything i have heard- you licked the ass crevasses of friends you have made inside at ibill at shows and such, yet you play the shill here. your "support" is thinly veiled to say the least- but so be it. no need to kill the messenger- maybe a fake nic would have been suitable for ya here
                                                                                                    Why do you insist on being this way with me? I don't have friends at I-Bill and I never use a fake nick. We can go to battle in this thread now if you want but I think it might be best to stay on the subject.

                                                                                                    P.S. What worries me is that you knew what the word shill meant.
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                                                                                                      • MarkTiarra
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                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                        • 3833
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                                        THIS is the real and only realistic option, especially if your a large program that can do the volume, run a tight legitimate ship and care for your business future. 3rd party will all but die. Dont know when but it will happen.
                                                                                                        I have to agree with you. I don't see third party processing holding on forever. Is there any other business in the world that is dominated by third party processing? You start any brick and morter company and you are responsible for your own accounts. Part of the problem here has always been that the barrier to entry is so low that the number of unqualified people running business is too great. I don't mean this as an insult, but I'm trying to make the point that much of the difficulty with large volumes of chargebacks came not just from fraud but also from sites that had not nearly enough (or at least unique enough) content to be charging any fee for access. Also sites put together shoddily with no proper customer support... it's a mess.

                                                                                                        Look, at the end of the day the customer base in this business isn't going anywhere. But the ability to deliver content to them and charge them will become restrictivly difficult enough such that only serious businesses are capable of doing so.

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                                                                                                          • PornGeneral
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                                                                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                                                                            • 564
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                            I doubt they did nothing til August, I assume that taking on a large adult processor takes tons of meeting and more paper work then you could dream of.
                                                                                                            I thought I read in the Court filing they contacted Merrick in August. That is kinda waiting till the last minute. IMHO

                                                                                                            Why didn't they get the extension in writting?

                                                                                                            These are serious questions that need to be answered, poor management decision?
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                                                                                                              • Holly
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                                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                • 10017
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                                secondly- i spoke with ibill and it is certainly a crisis and they are "moving their traffic to a new merchant account" right now.
                                                                                                                Would have made a little more sense if they would have done that before they no longer had the ability to process, don't ya think? ;-}
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                                                                                                                  • stocktrader23
                                                                                                                    Let's do some business.
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 18781
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Holly
                                                                                                                    Would have made a little more sense if they would have done that before they no longer had the ability to process, don't ya think? ;-}
                                                                                                                    Give up Holly. The die hard Ibill supporters are completely oblivious to anything that resembles making sense.


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                                                                                                                      • XPays
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                                                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                                                        • 13002
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Holly
                                                                                                                        Would have made a little more sense if they would have done that before they no longer had the ability to process, don't ya think? ;-}
                                                                                                                        i'm busy enough running my own business so i will not waste too much time on that one. a lot of people will suffer if things to not work out for ibill and that is the part that gives me an upset stomach. they need to avert this
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                                                                                                                          • Veterans Day
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                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                                                                                            Part of the problem here has always been that the barrier to entry is so low that the number of unqualified people running business is too great.
                                                                                                                            this is the correct answer, there are no other industries with as many clueless 18 year old wannbe player, pimp businessmen, that reak havoc on the industry for the fast buck with no regards to tommorrow. Pure havoc sooner or later. If your a large program doing the volume and have the ability to get your own merchant, I wouldn't hesitate if I were you.
                                                                                                                            Last edited by Veterans Day; 09-22-2004, 10:54 AM.
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                                                                                                                              • MarkTiarra
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                                                                                                                                • 3833
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                Give up Holly. The die hard Ibill supporters are completely oblivious to anything that resembles making sense.

                                                                                                                                Forget about support or not it comes down to this:

                                                                                                                                1) Was I-Bill negligant and/or foolish or,
                                                                                                                                2) Are there some factors we're not aware of here that made it impossible for them to get plan B ready in a timely manner?

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                                                                                                                                  • XPays
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                                                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 13002
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                                                                    this is the correct answer, there are no other industries with as many clueless 18 year old wannbe player, pimp businessmen, that reak havoc on the industry for the fast buck with no regards to tommorrow. Pure havoc sooner or later. If your a large program doing the volume and have the ability to get your own merchant, I wouldn't hesitate if I were them.
                                                                                                                                    True- but several of the biggest players since the old days have said that "if they had sent all of their sales to Paycom (for example) since day 1, they would have made a lot more money than juggling banks".
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                                                                                                                                      • V_RocKs
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                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 32466
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                                                                        http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IBD&...=on&z=m&q=l&c=



                                                                                                                                        The chart just stops.

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                                                                                                                                          • taboo_dude
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                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 707
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                                                                                                            And might I add to this thread two thoughts:

                                                                                                                                            1) This is why cascading is so crucial. We've got three billers on Duke Dollars so flipping one down is no big deal and that's quite a relief although some of the eggs in the rebilling basket would stll get squooshed.

                                                                                                                                            2) Yet another argument for getting your own merchant account as soon as you can and capturing the data internally so you can move your database if need be.
                                                                                                                                            I second that, cascading billing has been built into our software for clients exactly because of this type of situation.

                                                                                                                                            As for the merchant accounts we are talking with a particular payment processor that has agreed to waive their setup fee. ICQ me if you are need. They are professionals and we have worked with them for over 4 years.
                                                                                                                                            I don't want to mention any names because that would be to spammy. I just want to offer help, this sucks big time........

                                                                                                                                            I see a lot of people that will not even bother trying to keep their programs alive and go back to what they were doing before ......

                                                                                                                                            I cannot believe this was a verbal agreement.... not with that much money riding on it...
                                                                                                                                            If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. The Duke.

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                                                                                                                                              • PornGeneral
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                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 564
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                                                                                this is the correct answer, there are no other industries with as many clueless 18 year old wannbe player, pimp businessmen, that reak havoc on the industry for the fast buck with no regards to tommorrow. Pure havoc sooner or later. If your a large program doing the volume and have the ability to get your own merchant, I wouldn't hesitate if I were you.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Veterans Day
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 8403
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                                                                    True- but several of the biggest players since the old days have said that "if they had sent all of their sales to Paycom (for example) since day 1, they would have made a lot more money than juggling banks".
                                                                                                                                                    3rd pary is not the future nor the answer for longevity. Im going boating so flame away.
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                                                                                                                                                      • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 18781
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                                                                                                                        Forget about support or not it comes down to this:

                                                                                                                                                        1) Was I-Bill negligant and/or foolish or,
                                                                                                                                                        2) Are there some factors we're not aware of here that made it impossible for them to get plan B ready in a timely manner?
                                                                                                                                                        I agree with you. I've just been watching these people sing Kumbaya every time there has been a huge issue over the last year. Reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister. Doesn't matter what you say they see no problems.


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                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 46917
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                                                                            from everything i have heard- you licked the ass crevasses of friends you have made inside at ibill at shows and such, yet you play the shill here. your "support" is thinly veiled to say the least- but so be it. no need to kill the messenger- maybe a fake nic would have been suitable for ya here
                                                                                                                                                            Well now...Since we are busy listening to rumors instead of courtroom facts.....

                                                                                                                                                            I just searched "xpays" on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                            It appears that xpays is:

                                                                                                                                                            A front for spam.

                                                                                                                                                            Too broke to pay their affiliates.

                                                                                                                                                            Being sued by Microsoft.

                                                                                                                                                            Jealous of p1mpdogg.

                                                                                                                                                            FUCKuPAYme = Evan of xPays

                                                                                                                                                            VividCash may be related to xpays.



                                                                                                                                                            Shall I continue?

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                                                                                                                                                              • Veterans Day
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 8403
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                Well now...Since we are busy listening to rumors instead of courtroom facts.....

                                                                                                                                                                I just searched "xpays" on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                                It appears that xpays is:

                                                                                                                                                                A front for spam.

                                                                                                                                                                Too broke to pay their affiliates.

                                                                                                                                                                Being sued by Microsoft.

                                                                                                                                                                Jealous of p1mpdogg.

                                                                                                                                                                FUCKuPAYme = Evan of xPays

                                                                                                                                                                VividCash may be related to xpays.



                                                                                                                                                                Shall I continue?
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                                                                                                                                                                  • PornGeneral
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                    • 564
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by taboo_dude

                                                                                                                                                                    I cannot believe this was a verbal agreement.... not with that much money riding on it...
                                                                                                                                                                    That is what burns me...

                                                                                                                                                                    Contracting 101:
                                                                                                                                                                    "Get it in writing!"
                                                                                                                                                                    "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                                                                                                    "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                                                                                                      • MarkTiarra
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 3833
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                                                                                        True- but several of the biggest players since the old days have said that "if they had sent all of their sales to Paycom (for example) since day 1, they would have made a lot more money than juggling banks".
                                                                                                                                                                        Granted but that also begs the question why were banks being juggled? I know in some cases banks just got assaholic and flaked... but in other cases you have people dancingthe Potamic two-step because they had problems as a result of sketchy billing practices.

                                                                                                                                                                        The worst part is that banks might go flaky on you even when your numbers are great just because they are tired of getting burned by the dozen other not so honest guys. The hope here is that things settle to the point that there is no way to operate your business dishonestly and only the people doing it right survive and they can keep their merchant accounts. When you deal with a third party processor everything gets homoginzed through them... good and bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • boobmaster
                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 6185
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Lensman
                                                                                                                                                                            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IBD&...=on&z=m&q=l&c=



                                                                                                                                                                            The chart just stops.
                                                                                                                                                                            Anyone here banking that ibill will find come back from the dead? I can't believe that a company that big won't be able to find another processor. Might be a good opportunity to buy tomorrow after everyone dumps the stock.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • PornGeneral
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 564
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                Well now...Since we are busy listening to rumors instead of courtroom facts.....

                                                                                                                                                                                I just searched "xpays" on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                                                It appears that xpays is:

                                                                                                                                                                                A front for spam.

                                                                                                                                                                                Too broke to pay their affiliates.

                                                                                                                                                                                Being sued by Microsoft.

                                                                                                                                                                                Jealous of p1mpdogg.

                                                                                                                                                                                FUCKuPAYme = Evan of xPays

                                                                                                                                                                                VividCash may be related to xpays.



                                                                                                                                                                                Shall I continue?


                                                                                                                                                                                Takes the edge off to laugh when such a drama day is unfolding.
                                                                                                                                                                                "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                                                                                                                "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • XPays
                                                                                                                                                                                    Team Player
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 13002
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                    Well now...Since we are busy listening to rumors instead of courtroom facts.....

                                                                                                                                                                                    I just searched "xpays" on GFY.
                                                                                                                                                                                    And gfy is a credible new source to quote
                                                                                                                                                                                    It appears that xpays is:

                                                                                                                                                                                    A front for spam.
                                                                                                                                                                                    We are not but we get spoofed a lot!

                                                                                                                                                                                    Too broke to pay their affiliates.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Have always paid and never paid late so apologize.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Being sued by Microsoft.
                                                                                                                                                                                    SETTLED!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                    Jealous of p1mpdogg.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Uh-k

                                                                                                                                                                                    FUCKuPAYme = Evan of xPays
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have no fake nic's

                                                                                                                                                                                    VividCash may be related to xpays.

                                                                                                                                                                                    We launched vividvip and hosted it for 3 years.



                                                                                                                                                                                    Shall I continue?


                                                                                                                                                                                    You can continue but you are a moron (my answers in your quoted post)
                                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by XPays; 09-22-2004, 11:03 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Drake
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hello world!
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 12508
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have to agree with you. I don't see third party processing holding on forever. Is there any other business in the world that is dominated by third party processing? You start any brick and morter company and you are responsible for your own accounts. Part of the problem here has always been that the barrier to entry is so low that the number of unqualified people running business is too great. I don't mean this as an insult, but I'm trying to make the point that much of the difficulty with large volumes of chargebacks came not just from fraud but also from sites that had not nearly enough (or at least unique enough) content to be charging any fee for access. Also sites put together shoddily with no proper customer support... it's a mess.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Look, at the end of the day the customer base in this business isn't going anywhere. But the ability to deliver content to them and charge them will become restrictivly difficult enough such that only serious businesses are capable of doing so.
                                                                                                                                                                                        You are right Mark

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • boobmaster
                                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 6185
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by XPays


                                                                                                                                                                                            You can continue but you are a moron (my answers in your quoted post)
                                                                                                                                                                                            Yep! He is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Drake
                                                                                                                                                                                                Hello world!
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 12508
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                                                                                                                Anyone here banking that ibill will find come back from the dead? I can't believe that a company that big won't be able to find another processor. Might be a good opportunity to buy tomorrow after everyone dumps the stock.
                                                                                                                                                                                                It's not so much whether they be able to find another processor, it's will they be able to in time, if in fact, they are only looking into an alternative now. A few days losing $800k every day and it becomes too late because the company is bankrupt and no longer has a need for a processor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The paper work alone will take days for something this large assuming the paper work only started today or a few days ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                It's not like multi-million dollar processors haven't gone under before for one reason or another. I can recall at least 5 in the past year and a half. Why didn't they move under a different name, get a new account, start all over again? Because it's not that easy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Drake; 09-22-2004, 11:07 AM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • PornGeneral
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 564
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyone here banking that ibill will find come back from the dead? I can't believe that a company that big won't be able to find another processor. Might be a good opportunity to buy tomorrow after everyone dumps the stock.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Total Cash (mrq): 28.00K
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Total Debt (mrq)²: 1.17M

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Average Volume (3 month): 18,750
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shares Outstanding: 15.67M
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Float: 11.40M
                                                                                                                                                                                                    % Held by Insiders: 27.26%
                                                                                                                                                                                                    % Held by Institutions: N/A

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Unconfirmed just grabbed from the Key Statistics, but this is not promissing. Insiders don't hold a huge stack in the outcome of the company and the volume is garbage. Not to mention the all stock buy of iBill from Penthouse.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by XPays


                                                                                                                                                                                                        You can continue but you are a moron
                                                                                                                                                                                                        This from a guy who has yet to figure out that a sentence should end with some sort of punctuation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I love it when people like you try to insult me. Usually insults like this are followed by comments about me being fat and bald too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'll let you know when I give a fuck about you, your opinions, or your company.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now....Mr. "I'm a Trial Attorney".......Come at me with something a bit stronger or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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