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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
Now I know you are completely full of shite. 9-11 is one thing I know about, having lived 2 blocks from the WTC. You met your match on this one, mr. un-informed.
There were troops on the ground the day it happened. I know, because I had to go thru their roadblocks to try and get my dogs out of my loft. I also had to get an escort the following day, to try and get my financial records and family photo's. Funny how things like that matter when you lose all your stuff. Yep, I was standing as hummers were going by in my neighborhood, with machine guns at the ready. On the SECOND day!
While you were sitting at home jacking off that day, I was running for my life with my 6 month old son under my arm. I don't expect a keyboard warrior like you to understand. I have seen first hand what happens when our gov. fails us. People look like exploding pumpkins when they hit from 80+ stories.Once again I don't expect you to understand. Shit you probably thing Iraq had something to do with it, judging from your slant on things.
I agree that there was a failure on every level, but this is the second time that Bush has fucked up. First time, by not putting terrorism on the front burner, when he was warned by everyone who knew. Maybe do a little light reading, it's called the 9-11 report. Second by not being there when he was needed, as there was no other leadership.
You can't honestly say, that he should have been in California the day after this disaster. Get real. I can't believe, just from a political standpoint alone, that it would look better if he was at the white house. Even if he wasn't doing anything, just the idea that he was, would have made him look a hell of a lot better.
He wants a legacy. I can tell you what it is gonna be, The most corrupt, and inept administration that we have ever had. Remember, they still are working on that investigation about Rove. These guys make Nixon look like a fucking saint. I voted for his father, but the best part of this president will be when he leaves office.
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I truly appreciate the time you spent on this post and I now have a clearer view of your perspective and viewpoint. A true rarity on GFY, but hopefully a sign of things to come.
With that said, you are correct, I was in my home glued to the TV (not jacking off as you suggest), watching the entire situation unfold. I would have been there in person if the airlines were not grounded. The event could only truly be understood on the ground, a vantage point you had.
With this said, of course the troops were on the ground. The command and control structure of the State of New York was in full action that day. From the first line of defense, the civil servants, you can not deny the efforts of the NYPD and FDNY in the first seconds of the event. This was key. Contrast that with New Orleans. The cops resigned, fled, and some killed themselves. Difference? Yes.
Did the Mayor of NYC take full control? Yes. Are you denying Guiliani did not control the situation with his comand structure? From the second it happened he was there and the first phase was being handled by those entrusted with public safety (NYPD, FDNY, etc.)
Contrast that with New Orleans' mayor. Did he have control?
Troops. If you recall the Governor of New York declared a state of emergency and the troops were in NYC within 24 hours. A governor's duty, not a federal duty.
Contrast that with the Governor of LA.
None of my statements are defending the actions of George W Bush, I was pointing out that your comments placed the blame solely on him which is not the case. The state and local governments are the first line in of defense in crisis. New Orleans and L.A. dropped the ball.
I will stand with you and criticize anyone in a leadership role, if you are also there to point the finger of blame from start to finish.