Celsius 41,11 - A movie that will NOT be loved by the europeans..and some americans..

Bad taste. Using 9/11 footage like that. Pro-Bush movies just shouldn't be made.

cool a new propaganda movie paid for by bush and a dick named cheney

As if who wins (Kerry/Bush) actually makes a difference....if they are controlled by the same group of people

Blah?

ahahahahahahahahaha... they even copied the title.

Conservatives are incapable of originality.

Oh, but it's okay for Moore to edit and twist his footage in to his point of view that leads the easily fooled into beliving what he wants them to?

I'm not saying other sources, such as popular news agencies don't do the same . I'm just saying he is as guilty as the rest and to me that is the point of this film. Pro-Bush or not. What I got from the trialer was an approach at exposing Moore and his obvious biased political agenda that he tries to mask in the form of "documentary".

He's just as fucked up as the rest of politically biased, greedy, power hungry clowns out there. He simply maskes it in the form of a documentry which in my mind is now a ruined word. Detroyed by every overly biased frame of film he spewes out of his egotistical agenda.

I completely agree he is biased.......however, it doesn't make some fo the facts from his movie untrue.

Sure it doens't make some of the stuff in his movie untrue. However, it's very easy to edit, clip, cut and what not to make things seem more extreem, harsh , less harsh or what ever.

It's just like simple statistics. It's easy to make any stats you want to appear in a fashion you most prefer them to be seen. You don't even have to lie or fudge numbers to do it. It's just a mater of how you scale for instance the Y axis and suddenly you have a slow growth in the economy looking like a huge jump to someone that just looks at bars and lines and has no idea or desire to really analyize what the graph acutally represents.

The same is easily done in film and in his case his so called "documentaries" which are suppose to be ubiased accounts of the subject matter. To me this trailer was more, no pun intended, waving a bullshit flag on Michael Moore. I didn't really see any Pro-Bush shit. I saw Bush speaking as and that was it. Never did I see "VOTE FOR BUSH!" or anything like that.

I still agree. Obviously the way Moore's film was put together, it was to hit Bush hard again and again and again.

This film may be trying to show both sides of the picture...

Fact remains, I still think no matter who wins the election, it will be the same story with a different puppet

I totally agree. The problem is they are all crooks and liars with thier own personal agendas. Anyone who thinks politicians beyond your local townships actually give a shit about everyone else is in denial.

Do people really think that Senators, Congressmen and Presidents can't sleep at night worrying how the every day person is getting by? Fuck no. They don't give two shits as long as they can feed enough two tongued lies to get the popular vote.

Their entire careers are based on saying what people want to hear. After that coprorate backers take care of the rest.

That clip is just another example of republicans not understanding the critical differences between Osama / Al Queda / Afghanistan and Saddam / Iraq. It makes the creators look stupid, not Moore or Kerry.

How so? Please elaborate?

It simply starts with a quote saying there is not threat of terrorism and then goes on to showing acts of terrorism directly attributed and in most cases even claimed by Osama/Al Queda.

Saddam was a terroist as well. Mostly of his own people. Oh let's see, most American's are not Kurds so they wouldn't relate to the the early 90's when he hit Kurdish towns in northern Iraq with chems. No, that's not terrorism and there must be room in this world for people that feel it's ok to try and kill off an entire population just because they are not of the same religion.

Oh, and yea, it's okay that Saddam's Iraq was a well known hang out /harbor for anti-westerners in transit.

What a lot of people don't think about when preaching this anti war shit is that there are hundreds of thousands out there that hate America. It has nothing to do with Bush. This has been going on long before Bush Jr. and Bush Sr.

Here is the fun part, they could give a shit if you feel you love them or not, if you hate Bush or not, if you hate the war in Iraq or not. They will still blow you the fuck up along with your kids and themselves if they get the chance. That is thier pure hatred. What else besides hate could encourage someone to walk in to a crowded area full of harmless and inocent women and kids and set off a bomb straped to their chest?

Man, attempting to destroy a population out of hate disguised under relgious causes. That sounds familure. Funny though, 60 years ago it was ok to fight back when someone tried to pull that shit .

I could of sworn a good portion in the begining of moores film used 911 footage.

I'm not sure what's more original, the thread title or the movie

Well this site IS pro Bush
http://www.citizensunited.org/

that is what I meant when I said that is will not be liked by my fellow europeans..and some americans.

However this is a movie that will not be exposed in the media in EU like they did with the left wing propaganda movie "Farenheit 911". But it´s pretty much the same crap, just from a different angle.

First you need to watch the film . . . then you can feel free to comment. Until then just, know that you are wrong with this statement.

I am going to award you with the "DENSE" award. This is given out to the person who "thinks" they know what is going on, but really has no idea that they are completely wrong. I don't blame you . . . I blame the bias media that force feed crap to you. They are the ones who help you somehow rationalize bUsH's hitler like actions.

I guess you are to blame as well. I mean, you somehow ignore logic and reason and accept bullshit and you manage to make it all "ok" in your mind. That IS your fault. In addition, you seem to have accepted only half-truths and incorrect information, which lead to really dumb posts like yours. In addition, you seem to be very uneducated on the subject at hand. This aspect of the problem is absolutely your fault. If you knew ANYTHING about this , you wouldn't swallow the SHIT this administration is spewing.

It mixes footage of Iraq and Afghanistan to create the illusion that they are related; when in fact Afghanistan was ruled by a radical islamic theocracy, the Taliban, who supported Osama and were directly involved in 9/11 vs. Iraq which was rules by a secular government (who killed powerhungry clerics) and who played absolutely no role in 9/11. Osama and Saddam were ideological enemys and Osama called Saddam an infidel and wanted his regime overthrown. 9/11 was an invitation and Bush took the bait.


Saddam did not gas the Kurds because they were not of the same religion. He gassed the Kurds because the Kurds tried to start a civil war with both Iraq and Turkey claiming land they had no right to in over 1000 years. Saddam used gas because his army was busy fighting the islamic radicals in Iran for us. Do some research on the Kurds and it's hard to have sympathy for them.

What would America do if all the mexicans in texas started killing white people to claim that land back?




And now, thanks to this unprovoked attack on a sovereign arab nation, now there are hundreds of millions. A few years ago, the majority of the population in most muslim countries held a favorable view of the USA! Bush has manage to turn all those moderates against us in just a couple of years. It's Osamas dream come true. This is exactly what he was trying to accomplish.

Poll shows U.S. isolation: In war's wake, hostility and mistrust

You couldnt be more wrong. Saddam was our ally until Bush Sr destroyed that relationship. Saddam fought Iran for us, but since America no longer feared the spread of communism, he decided that relationship was no longer valuable.

Saddam consulted with the US before taking military action to settle a border dispute against Kuwait. The US told Saddam in no uncertain terms that we had no opinion on this matter or any arab-arab conflicts. Our opinion on the Kuwait dispute had been just that for 30 years. What changed our policy after Saddam acted was pressure from Saudi Arabia, whom the Bush family was very close to. If it had not been for Bush Sr, Saddam would still be our ally today; an effective obstacle to the spread of radical islam.


Frustration. Desperation. Revenge. These people feel they have been pushed so far, had their affairs meddled with by outsiders for so long, had their grievances ignored so completely, that this is the only way they can fight back. We must find a way to diffuse the hatred; and dropping bombs has the undesirable opposite effect (making more of them hate us more). If we do not acknowledge the causes of terrorism, we will never put an end to it. You cannot kill them all. It is a Hydra; for every head you cut off, more will grow. Because of Iraq the number of people who want to see dead american kids has multiplied 10 times. How can anyone believe that makes us safer?


It is ok to fight back.
Iraq did not attack us, so we are not fighting back.

Hmmm I guess the black chick he cuts too after he black video and sounds of jets slamming into the buildings were not in NYC and were not ON 911.

Hell his fucking title for the movie must have been called farenheight 411. What was I thinking.... LOLLLLLL

So fuck you too idiot.

shhhh. let the sheeple think they actually have a choice

good.
there needs to be a reply to this biased movie by this idiot Michael Moore