A question about the hurricane disaster. Answer pls only if you are sure

always... problem with most people is they are stupid and always say " ...i'm just gonna stay here and ride it out.."

Most of the people who stayed simply had no way to leave. In a lot of big cities people just don't have cars. The whole evacuation plan was contingent on people having cars, money for a tankful of gas and a place to go to. A lot of these people had none of these things.

I really don't think so, but even if they did, most of the people wouldn't have left.

They got warnings I believe last year and the year before, board every thing up and nothing happened, missed them.
Many warnings and nothing real serious happened.

They with stood the Hurricane, just what the Hurricane did to levies.

The news guys were say they dodge a bullet again, then the levee info started coming in..

Lets look at this shall we, mandatory evacuation issued and primary means of hurricane evacuation is in place.

What was the problem?

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Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00

'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

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Mayor Nagin issues mandatory evacuation for New Orleans

As of Saturday 9:30 a.m., Mayor Nagin has issued a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans.

The Superdome has been opened for people with special needs and as a shelter of last resort. Residents should call (504) 568-3200 to reserve space in this shelter.

The city has set up ten pickup areas to take people to emergency shelters. RTA buses will be picking up citizens for free and take them to these shelters. The number to call for pickup areas is 1-800-469-4828.

The pickup locations are

McMain High: 5712 S Claiborne Ave New Orleans, LA 70125

Rabouin High:727 Carondelet St New Orleans, LA 70130

Mondy George O Elementary: 2327 Philip St New Orleans, LA 70113

O.P. Walker: 2832 General Meyer Ave New Orleans, LA 70114

Abramson: 5552 Read Blvd New Orleans, LA 70127

S.T. Reed : 5316 Michoud Blvd New Orleans, LA 70129

Sylvain Williams: 3127 Martin L. King Blvd. New Orleans, LA. 70125

Augustine Middle:425 S. Broad St. New Orleans, LA. 70119

Warren Easton: 3039 Higgins Blvd. New Orleans, LA. 70126

MLK Jr. Elementary: 1617 Caffin Avenue New Orleans, LA 70117

N.O. Mission, address not available at time of publish.

Mondy Center, address not available at time of publish.

William Franz , address not available at time of publish.

Residents are asked to bring food for 3-5 days, pillows, blankets, and any other supplies needed.

Mayor Urges Storm Preparations

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, in a joint afternoon news conference with Gov. Kathleen Blanco, warned residents to take Katrina seriously. Hoping for yet another near miss could be deadly, he said.

?This is not a test. This is the real deal,? Nagin said. ?Things could change, but as of right now, New Orleans is definitely the target for this hurricane.?
The mayor said he would stick with the state?s evacuation plan and not officially call for residents to leave until 30 hours before expected landfall, allowing residents in low-lying surrounding areas to leave first. But he recommended residents in low-lying areas of the city, such as Algiers and the 9th Ward, get a heard start.

?We want you to take this a little more seriously and start moving ? right now, as a matter of fact,? Nagin said.
Entergy officials said the company has geared up for disaster with about 7,500 line repair workers and tree-trimmers ready to mobilize. It?s impossible to say how long power could be out if the city gets a direct hit, but other cities have had outages lasting more than month.
Nagin said the city would open the Superdome as a shelter of last resort for evacuees with special needs. He advised anyone planning to stay there to bring there own food, drinks and other comforts such as folding chairs, as if planning to go camping.

?No weapons, no large items, and bring small quanties of food for three or four days, to be safe,? he said.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said he and Nagin will likely call a curfew at some point, and would station police officers at shopping centers to prevent looting.

?Looters will be dealt with severly and harshly and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,? he said.

maybe the dumbfuck mayor should of put to use the many school buses the city has to bus out the poor.

You are a damb fool.

good point

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Do you mean 600+ busses the city has just for inner city schools?

Like these - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015

oh, you were serious? please explain

i guess they went to better use as mini levees. i think had they been taken out and dumped in a fucking state park with bathrooms and water they'd of been better off then in the superdome taking a dump on the 50 yardline.

Lets assume that you could force people to leave and you want to evacuate the entire city. How many fit on a bus? How far do you need to take them? How many busses were there? How many trips would it take? How long would each trip be in bumper to bumper traffic? That's good for starters.

if they didnt want to leave thats their own fucking problem and i dont feel sorry for them. everyone keeps saying "what about the poor people who couldnt leave even though they wanted to". how many fit on a bus? dunno, maybe 40-50 depending on the bus and how much you filled it. i didnt see bumper to bumper traffic on any news station the day before the storm hit which told me the people who were leaving were out. maybe they could of closed a lane for buses only and been escorted by highway patrol as then took loads of people. im pretty sure the roads coming back would of been empty so thats not an issue. you make it sound like itd be too hard so they shouldnt even of bothered.

ps, its kinda odd that my suggestion is exactly what they're doing now isnt it? i just looked up the state parks online and found out they're taking in people from NO and housing them. please continue sitting behind your computer on gfy bitching about bush and everyone else but those responsible. i dont see people crying about him cutting the fema budget or appointing his butt buddy with no experence to run it. instead its bush is a racist and just doesnt care. (_))=D--- you

http://www.crt.state.la.us/crt/parks/default.htm

Look here, if you want to be a sheep you can baaaaaaaaaaa all night. I'll say this one time...

100,000 to 200,000 people stayed in and around the area. The federal agencies managed to evacuate 42,000 people on Saturday. These people were in 2 central locations waiting to hop on a bus. That was not the case before the storm hit. So tell me how to get 200,000 people out of a city on school busses when the Federal Government who "sent all they could" can only move 42,000 in a day with the help of an ungodly number of people.

And everyone with half a fucking brain is blaming Bush. You see there's this little thing called the Department Of Homeland Security that TOOK OVER the responsibility of things like this thanks to your buddy Bush and "the terrists".

first and foremost the mayor and governor are responsible for the protection of their citizens. its only a federal issue once the storm passes threw. maybe if they put forth the effort to get these poor people, the people you think they care so much about, out of the area there wouldn't of been as many deaths. opps, i forgot. bush bush the racist nazi. did you know they actually flew air force one down low so he could snipe a few blacks waiting for rescue on their roofs. you're right, the people i mentioned above should take none of the blame what so ever because its not as though they had any power to prevent such deaths by using the fucking buses to get people out or using city and local gov vehicles to transport people etc etc. your argument is weak and kinda smells like bullshit. btw, bush isnt my buddy, but blaming him for everything is fucking stupid. he is responsible for the shitty response after the storm hit, but had the governor and mayor done everything in their power prestorm, the deaths wouldn't of been as high and things might of been more organized.

almost forgot! you're right on one thing. most of the people blaming bush for EVERYTHING do have only half a brain. sorry I'm not issuing partial points. <grade>D-</grade>

Even Bush blames Bush (how often does that happen)

"So far, however, the reviews on how government responded are more sharply negative. The failings of the federal response to the disaster point directly to a vast new bureaucracy that was created in the aftermath of Sept. 11, the Department of Homeland Security.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, an agency long responsible for federal action after natural disasters, has been absorbed into Homeland Security. And FEMA's traditional role of emergency preparedness has been shifted to a new office within Homeland Security that has no director.

The difference between FEMA's fumbled handling of Hurricane Katrina, after a successful response to four hurricanes in Florida last year, has led some critics to question the overall capacity of Homeland Security to deal with catastrophe.

"I am surprised that FEMA . . . has performed as slowly and apparently as ineptly as it has in Louisiana," said former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham, a Democrat from Florida.

"I think it's not only at the basic level that the buck does stop with the president," Graham said. "But also, he has now been in office five years, and he was the one who urged the adoption of the new department and the incorporation of FEMA into that department and has been overseeing the budgeting of all these homeland security activities. . . . He has a very direct responsibility."

Every good political cleansing starts with a confession. And Bush was ready with that before leaving Washington on Friday for an aerial and ground tour of the Gulf Coast destruction with his comment that relief efforts to date were "not acceptable." "

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed

You are about as dense as a bowling ball. Ignore every single thing I mentioned earlier and consider this. Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama get MULTIPLE hurricane warnings every year. Are you suggesting that they keep these people on a 100% evacuation route every time there is a chance of a storm? Let's not stop there, we should bus everyone out of any earthquake, volcano, tornado, flood zones, and crime-ridden cities too. Never mind the economical impact it would have on this nation or coming up with the money for such nonsense. Nevermind all of the obstacles that would be faced when trying to do something so idiotic. Maybe you can get David Blaine to make New Orleans disappear for a few days so the storm can't hit it too.

Keep trying to have an intelligent discussion though, doctors will be studying your thought processes for decades when they want to find a cure for sheer stupidity.

who the fuck is this guy then?

http://www.fema.gov/about/bios/brown.shtm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weath...kdown_9-1.html

the answer: an incompetent ass clown with no experience appointed by BUSH. again, bush is responsible for the federal response after the storm hit, but prior i dont see much action that was taken on a local level other then "get the fuck out or goto the super dome."

I gotta say thats about right in a lot of cases.. when i was in the city, even on a pretty sweet salary I didn't have a car just because there wasn't any need. It would have taken longer to get to work in one. Even though I could have organised something or caught a train, it would be hard to leave without a car as you'd have to leave all your belongings at home meaning you'd be a lot more inclined to ride it out if you couldn't just pack all your shit in a car and leave. And without a car.. thats a lot more money to spend on shit to leave behind.

And you were healthy. These people just can't grasp anything bigger than their penis.

so now you're saying it was just a warning and shouldn't of been taken seriously? this storm only had of "chance" of hitting the coast? any other arguments? i think ill go watch a movie and check back on this thread later. i expect to see a reply to this post about how god was angry at the us for the war in Iraq and then about Iran's involvement with their hurricane machine. please don't let me down.

No you fucking idiot, I'm adding to my previous argument. It all goes together making what you suggest even more impossible. Make sure to watch something fitting. (Hint: If it says Rated R you probably won't understand all of the big words.)

Sorry to ruin your thread SR, this idiotic shit pisses me off.

In answer to your original question - when the order first came out Saturday morning - the police used their loudspeakers to drive down all of the streets announcing the evacuation requirement and told them where to go to catch busses out of the city - and quite a few (thousands) did.
The rest went to the shelters to ride out the storm like they were told, and were getting ready to leave to go back home when the levees failed - this was a separate issue that didnt happen right away - and wasnt planned for in the evacuation

In response to the rest of the BS in here from people that have no real idea what really happened down here: Go Do Something to Help Instead of Blaming Everyone Else in the World - if you cant help - STFU