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  • Tipsy
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 6989
    #101
    Originally posted by baddog
    You are making a couple assumptions here.

    1. That her service was poor.
    2. That if the service was poor it was her fault.
    No I'm not. You simply didn't read my post properly. I stated clearly in it that I thought two different subjects (although obviously related) were being discussed and the guy was an idiot who should have paid the bill. I have no idea if his service was good or bad.

    Those comments were directed at the subject of tipping generally and not that particular case.


    Oh and...100 people to tight to leave a tip.
    Ignorance is never bliss.

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      • tony299
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021
        #102
        Originally posted by Plan9
        Tipping should be abolished?
        No, cheap people that stiff waiters and waitresses on tips should be shot.

        I'll admit that if a tip is MANDATORY it should be included on the bill - although, in every situation I have been in where it was, it has been.

        But people that don't tip at all are a different story altogether. I always leave 15% if the service is adequate - 20% if I feel the service went above and beyond what was required. But if the service is acceptable and someone doesnt tip, I have a fucking tip for them - dont fucking eat out on the first place. I've never worked as a waiter, but people that stiff on the tip is still one of my pet peeves.

        THank you , I have worked for tips and the number of times you get stiffed is amazing. You bust your ass for a party and then they stiff you on the tip. If they serve the food and seem aware I am there they get 15% ,they dont have to be my friend. If I get really good service then I tip 20-25% and then when I go to that restaurant they treat me like the owner because sadly as seen in some of these posts people suck by nature. I rarely get bad service because I treat the server as a person not my personal servant, so unless the kitchen screws up the service is fine.

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          • Tipsy
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2001
            • 6989
            #103
            Originally posted by tony404
            I rarely get bad service because I treat the server as a person not my personal servant, so unless the kitchen screws up the service is fine.
            Depends 100% where you eat. It's very rare that I never tip but sometimes service really is the bad and yes - I always treat any waiter/waitress with respect. Eat at enough different places and you do find assholes who really shouldn't be doing that job just as you find assholes who won't tip good service.

            But then tipping is looked upon very differently here. Unfortunately it's often the norm here not to tip which I've always found odd because a small tip for good service harms nobody. But then as I said ealier waiting staff here also get much better pay for the most part.
            Ignorance is never bliss.

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              • Praguer
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 991
                #104
                Originally posted by eroswebmaster

                I tip..and I tip well...especially when the service was excellent or the waiter/waitress had to serve a large party and may have missed out on a lot more tips....but I do make sure the tip reflects bad service or I speak to the manager.
                Finally, someone makes sense and show some class here.
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                  • SmokeyTheBear
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                    • Jun 2004
                    • 28609
                    #105
                    If the tip is mandatory ( very common ) then its not even a question..

                    They guy didn't pay his bill he should be arrested for theft..

                    Waitress's PAY tax on wage + 15% tips , whether they get tips or not..

                    So if no customer tips , and the waitress made many sales , she may actually have to pay her employer to work.. ( this is not uncommon either )


                    Stores often post prices for items without tax , its the same thing..

                    You cant walk into mcdonalds and expect a 99cent burger for 99 cents.. and if you ate it before you paid for it you would be arrested as well.
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                      • Drake
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                        • Mar 2003
                        • 12508
                        #106
                        How can a tip be mandatory? A tip is a tip because it's optional. Otherwise it's called a bill or a tax.

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                          • VirtuMike
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2002
                            • 2483
                            #107
                            How cool would it be to open a restaurant and charge all you people a fine printed 20% "cooking charge", a 20% "eat in charge", and a "5% payment processing fee"?

                            But it's on the menu...

                            And then tack on an ambiance charge onto that?

                            Don't pay it? Call the police and have you arrested, fingerprinted, and charged.
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                              • angeleyes
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 3584
                                #108
                                I was just in Lake George a few days ago and I remember seeing that place. If memory serves me correctly, it was a "hole in the wall".
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                                  • DarkJedi
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                                    • Feb 2001
                                    • 28301
                                    #109
                                    MANDATORY TIPPING IS RETARDED.

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                                      • FlyingIguana
                                        aspiring banker
                                        • Mar 2002
                                        • 10870
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by RedShoe
                                        cheap mutha fucka.
                                        tips should be earned not expected.

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                                          • Gynecologist
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Sep 2004
                                            • 2184
                                            #111
                                            I tip exactly 15% if the service is good. I deduct for any attitude the waiter/waitress gives me.

                                            I worked in restaurants when I was in college and most people don't realize how much waiters and waitresses make. They can make more than most pople who work office jobs! So don't over tip. These people don't deservie to make that much money for just taking orders and delivering food.

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                                              • Project-Shadow
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 7340
                                                #112
                                                "MANDATORY TIPPING IS RETARDED."

                                                I don't believe any sort of tipping should be expected.
                                                If you want to give someone a little extra for being nice and doing a good job then fine, but paying extra to be served at a restaurant is stupid. You pay for the food, service and whatever else. Ugh -_-'

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                                                  • Steen2
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                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                    • 7662
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by Real Money
                                                    Lake George is the shit.

                                                    Just stay away from Lake George Village. Its where all the NY Itallian trash goes.
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                                                    And tips added to your bill is pretty common in England.
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                                                      • SykkBoy2
                                                        Jesus loves bacon
                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                        • 19969
                                                        #114
                                                        If it was common practice to arrest non-tippers, 99% of Canadians would be in jail.....

                                                        I'm a very generous tipper, but very picky as well....if I didn't enjoy the meal or had problems, I'll bring it to a manager's attention and explain the problem. If the service was still good despite problems (ie, the waitress came by and said 'sorry, we're having issues, your meals being delayed") I'll leave a tip because it was beyond her control.

                                                        If the waitress is just terrible and unpersonable, the tip goes down...way down...

                                                        I wonder how many of you cheapskate non-tipping bastards fail to tip your lapdancer if the dance was bad?
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                                                          • NoHassleSteve
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                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 450
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                            If it was common practice to arrest non-tippers, 99% of Canadians would be in jail.....
                                                            Considering where Lake George is... non-tipping Canadians might be just the reason for that policy

                                                            As has been seen from this thread, 'tipping' customs vary greatly from country to country. So, when you travel, just follow the local custom.

                                                            And then bitch on a message board once you get home.
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                                                              • pure energy
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                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                • 4274
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                If it's mandatory, they should put it on the damned bill. In fact, they should include it in the food prices and just pay their damned waitresses...
                                                                Ya, I strongly agree. Good point bro!
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                                                                  • baddog
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 107089
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by pure energy
                                                                    Ya, I strongly agree. Good point bro!
                                                                    am glad you read the thread before posting

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                                                                      • wesbob2k4
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                        • 122
                                                                        #118
                                                                        people who dont leave tips are a fucking disgrace. Cheap ass fuckers who would rather keep there 3$ for a pack of cig's or to rent a porn, rather then pay a server what they are deserved. If you haveing been a server and bitch about tipping, fucking try it one time. Im sure you will change your tone. I wait tables for 3 hours a day 3 days a week on the side for gas, cigs and beer. Its a good job and if its done right can produce good money. Sure some times u get stiffed on tips, but u move on and kiss more ass on the next table. Im glad this fuck bag got arrested and i hope he gets jail time. Even if the service is shitty, still at least pay the bill in full or leave some change. There tryin to earn there living.

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                                                                          • Joe Citizen
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 4552
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by wesbob2k4
                                                                            people who dont leave tips are a fucking disgrace. Cheap ass fuckers who would rather keep there 3$ for a pack of cig's or to rent a porn, rather then pay a server what they are deserved.
                                                                            It's the EMPLOYERS responsibility to pay the EMPLOYEE for fucks sake.

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                                                                              • wesbob2k4
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                • 122
                                                                                #120
                                                                                should shitty servers be paid the same as expirenced servers? THey shouldnt. Thats why the tipping system was invented. The smart and hard working people should be rewarded. The stupid lazy fucks on welfare for 20 years should be shot. Bottom line: The harder a server works the more money they should make. Same thing goes for stippers. The better they dance and look the more money they should make. If it was the employers job to pay the servers they would all act the same, they would have no reason to strive to reach a better standard. Hence tipping, it gives them a reason to be extra nice to the guests, so they have a better stay, so they come back and tell there friends. Its a big cycle. Say what you will about it, but its the best way to insure your servers make the guests happy.

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                                                                                  • AkiraSS
                                                                                    Wemaxa.com
                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                    • 2989
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    plainly stupid, I guess thats one restauraunt that's lost it's customers!

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                                                                                      • BrainDead
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                        • 1536
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        well wisemen say that you have to know the terrains beforre attacking... and when in rome... do what the romans do

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                                                                                          • VirtuMike
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                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 2483
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            See ladies and gentlemen, what wesbob2k4 just did is called a "flip flop".

                                                                                            His first post is that all waiters need to get paid. Then in his second post only minutes later, he says that everyone needs to get paid based on the quality of their work.

                                                                                            "Bottom line: The harder a server works the more money they should make" - this quote is defending the customer in the case. He possibly thought that this server did not deserve 18%, so he did not pay it.

                                                                                            Very reasonable.
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                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by Praguer
                                                                                                In the USA, Czech Republic and mostly everywhere, the following applies.

                                                                                                IF THE TIP IS MANDATORY under the terms of Service of The Restaurant. YOU MUST PAY IT. Period.

                                                                                                Do not Like the terms of service ? GO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO EAT.

                                                                                                However if you simply refuse to pay or partially pay the bill, of course you face a penalty according to the local laws.

                                                                                                Anyone who says otherwise, obviously does not eat above the McDonalds level very often.
                                                                                                Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

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                                                                                                  • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                    • 18781
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Basic_man
                                                                                                    Cheap ass bitch! He deserved it !
                                                                                                    Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                    "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                    http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                      • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                        • 18781
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                        the tip was calculated into the bill, the guy refused to pay it. Nine people at his table, and he wasn't going to leave any tip, even though it was calculated into the bill, and was most likely stated on the menu that parties of 6 or more the tip would be calculated into the bill
                                                                                                        Suck it!

                                                                                                        "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                        http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                          • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                            • 18781
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rictor
                                                                                                            Tipping for large parties is mandatory. It's printed on the menu and most restuarants also hang a sign near the door to state their policy. Try not leaving a tip for your party of 10 and see what happens.

                                                                                                            Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                            "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                            http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by jennym
                                                                                                                I guess some people cannot read.



                                                                                                                It WAS added to the bill, and the guy still did not pay it.

                                                                                                                The tip is almost always madatory for parties over a certain number of people. If you don't like it, don't eat there.
                                                                                                                Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                                "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                                http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                                  • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 18781
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                    Unless the restaurant's policy wasn't prominently displayed the man is stupid for thinking he could just go ahead and eat there and not pay the total bill. If you don't like a business's policies you have no reason to think they are going to make an exception for you. He should have gotten his entire party to walk out and head to the afore mentioned McDonalds
                                                                                                                    Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                                    "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                                    http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                                      • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                        • 18781
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                        If the tip is mandatory ( very common ) then its not even a question..

                                                                                                                        They guy didn't pay his bill he should be arrested for theft..

                                                                                                                        Waitress's PAY tax on wage + 15% tips , whether they get tips or not..

                                                                                                                        So if no customer tips , and the waitress made many sales , she may actually have to pay her employer to work.. ( this is not uncommon either )


                                                                                                                        Stores often post prices for items without tax , its the same thing..

                                                                                                                        You cant walk into mcdonalds and expect a 99cent burger for 99 cents.. and if you ate it before you paid for it you would be arrested as well.
                                                                                                                        Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                                        "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                                        http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

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                                                                                                                        "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

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                                                                                                                          • Drake
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                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                            • 12508
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                            Wrong jackass.

                                                                                                                            "The Warren County District Attorney's Office said a restaurant patron can't be forced to leave a gratuity. Prosecutors said establishments have to call it a service charge -- not a tip -- in order to make it a mandatory add-on charge."

                                                                                                                            http://www.wnbc.com/money/3729682/detail.html

                                                                                                                            buachahahaha
                                                                                                                            I thought this was common sense. As I mentioned earlier, there is no such thing as a Mandatory Tip. If it's a mandatory charge it's called a bill or a tax. Thank goodness the law really does work sometimes. This "tip" was a charge and not a tip. They need to state this CHARGE instead of using the "tip" bs to get extra money for nothing.

                                                                                                                            It's an underhanded unprofessional way of doing business.
                                                                                                                            Last edited by Drake; 09-15-2004, 09:08 AM.

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                                                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                                                                                I thought this was common sense. As I mentioned earlier, there is no such thing as a Mandatory Tip. If it's a mandatory charge it's called a bill or a tax. Thank goodness the law really does work sometimes. This "tip" was a charge and not a tip. They need to state this CHARGE instead of using the "tip" bs to get extra money for nothing.

                                                                                                                                It's an underhanded unprofessional way of doing business.
                                                                                                                                You would think it's common sense yes. But half the population votes Bush.


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                                                                                                                                  • Tricksy
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                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 2601
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                                                                                    If it's mandatory, they should put it on the damned bill. In fact, they should include it in the food prices and just pay their damned waitresses...
                                                                                                                                    I do agree with u! Anyway the word "tip" means that it's up 2 the person if he wants or not 2 leave tips. If I like the food and service I'd definitel leave tips but sometimes both are sux...why should I pay 4 that extra money????


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