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  • RogerV
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    • Jul 2002
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    #1

    Why are paysite programs paying out 50/50 when others don't?

    Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
    cam companies 35%
    VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

    why doesn't everyone pay 50/50
  • TheDoc
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    • Jul 2001
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    #2
    Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..
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    • seven
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      • Apr 2002
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      #3
      Originally posted by RogerV
      Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
      cam companies 35%
      VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

      why doesn't everyone pay 50/50
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      • chadglni
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        #4
        Originally posted by RogerV
        Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
        cam companies 35%
        VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

        why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

        How would a cam company pay 50%? I always thought that was pretty obvious.


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        • wargames
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          #5
          Originally posted by RogerV
          Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
          cam companies 35%
          VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

          why doesn't everyone pay 50/50
          Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
          cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
          VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)
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          • datatank
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            #6
            Originally posted by RogerV
            Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
            cam companies 35%
            VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

            why doesn't everyone pay 50/50


            Ask Amazon.com

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            • Sly
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              • Sep 2004
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              #7
              Originally posted by TheDoc
              Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..
              The cam models need to make a nice chunk in order to keep them coming back. More hands in the pot.
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              • tony299
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                #8
                well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

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                • chadglni
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                  #9
                  And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?


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                  • RogerV
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                    Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

                    Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.

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                    • RogerV
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by wargames
                      Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
                      cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
                      VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)
                      So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

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                      • wargames
                        Kliris
                        • May 2003
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by RogerV
                        Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.
                        It is a 3 way split.

                        vod producer/owner/webmaster
                        cam girl/owner/webmaster
                        sex toy product/owner/webmaster

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                        • RogerV
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by datatank
                          Ask Amazon.com
                          Fuck them they don't even payout there affliates.

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                          • RogerV
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by tony404
                            well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.
                            I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money

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                            • wargames
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                              • May 2003
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RogerV
                              So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things
                              but they are paying bandwidth and tons of other things as well. When you shoot or buy your own content you keep making money on that for a while.
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                              • Mutt
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                                #16
                                toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

                                and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

                                paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.
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                                • RogerV
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by chadglni
                                  And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?
                                  I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.

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                                  • Sly
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                    I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money
                                    Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.
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                                    • TheDoc
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                                      #19
                                      VOD also has to pay a lease streaming services too.
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                                      • Logan Videos
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                        Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
                                        cam companies 35%
                                        VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

                                        why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

                                        Because somes sites have a bigger profit margin than other sites

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                                        • synapse
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                                          #21
                                          We can pay out 50% or even more because our cam site doesn't rely on models, our site is 100% real people

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                                          • RogerV
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                            toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

                                            and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

                                            paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.

                                            I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well

                                            Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial

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                                            • BVF
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by RogerV
                                              So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things
                                              COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....

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                                              • RogerV
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Sly
                                                Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.
                                                we have to pay for hosted galleries, banners designers etc.

                                                they don't because most of them go into members sections etc.and its the same template.

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                                                • RogerV
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BVF
                                                  COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....
                                                  but we have to constantly deliver new goods to get the traffic since everyone only promotes exclusive and new fresh faces mainly

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                                                  • Sly
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                    I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well

                                                    Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial
                                                    Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

                                                    With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

                                                    Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.
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                                                    • chadglni
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by RogerV
                                                      I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.
                                                      One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

                                                      Are you just trolling or what?


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                                                      • RogerV
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                        Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

                                                        With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

                                                        Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.
                                                        I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

                                                        In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

                                                        they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all

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                                                        • RogerV
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by chadglni
                                                          One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

                                                          Are you just trolling or what?
                                                          really who pays that? I'd like to try them out

                                                          I just know they can all afford to payout more

                                                          and I'm also trolling a little

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                                                          • Doctor Dre
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                                                            • Jan 2001
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by RogerV
                                                            Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
                                                            cam companies 35%
                                                            VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

                                                            why doesn't everyone pay 50/50
                                                            Now that's an easy question ...

                                                            The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.
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                                                            • RogerV
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                              Now that's an easy question ...

                                                              The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.
                                                              you like sending to sites that don't update which cost alot money

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                                                              • Sly
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                                                                #32
                                                                Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

                                                                Damn you Roger!
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                                                                • RogerV
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Sly
                                                                  Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

                                                                  Damn you Roger!
                                                                  Its one of those threads that just asks for drama

                                                                  10% of our webmasters use rev-share shit we pay up front wether we make money or not. LOL

                                                                  I just don't get how these companies have been able to keep there payouts low it's not like they have any risk.

                                                                  I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk
                                                                  Last edited by RogerV; 08-25-2005, 06:50 PM.

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                                                                  • JD
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

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                                                                    • chadglni
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                      I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

                                                                      In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

                                                                      they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all
                                                                      What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please.


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                                                                      • RogerV
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                        i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.
                                                                        See I bet you can get 50% out of them

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                                                                        • chadglni
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by RogerV

                                                                          I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk
                                                                          They do pay you half the profits.

                                                                          40% to 50% to the girl, 10% to 20% for all other expenses like hosting, billing, etc. , leaving about 40%. Most cam sites pay 20% revshare of gross which equals near 50% of profit.


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                                                                          • RogerV
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                            What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please.
                                                                            Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

                                                                            pay the models less shit 90% are in russia
                                                                            Last edited by RogerV; 08-25-2005, 07:00 PM.

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                                                                            • chadglni
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                              Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

                                                                              pay the models less
                                                                              As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.


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                                                                              • RogerV
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.
                                                                                most of the models are in russia working in staged housing I bet the models don't make shit. but what do I know.

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                                                                                • chadglni
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                  most of the models are in russia working in staged housing I bet the models don't make shit. but what do I know.
                                                                                  Not much it seems.


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                                                                                  • RogerV
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    what about the VOD companies and Sexstores?

                                                                                    or are they paying everyone 50%

                                                                                    I just don't get anything anymore

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                                                                                    • RogerV
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                      Not much it seems.
                                                                                      You must be right I better remove my sig and just call it a day.

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                                                                                      • chadglni
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                        what about the VOD companies and Sexstores?

                                                                                        or are they paying everyone 50%

                                                                                        I just don't get anything anymore
                                                                                        I think you're going to cost yourself affiliates with this thread.


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                                                                                        • Paparazzi
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                          Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

                                                                                          With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

                                                                                          Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.
                                                                                          ever heard of recorded shows?

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                                                                                          • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Roger,

                                                                                            If you would make a VOD company and pay out 50% and remain profitable like the other VOD companies. Then you would be a millionaire

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                                                                                            • chadglni
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                              You must be right I better remove my sig and just call it a day.

                                                                                              I've always wanted to flip burgers
                                                                                              We all know you are a program owner that does ok. Has nothing to do with the idiotic questions you're asking in this thread. Like I said, either you are completely joking or have no clue. Maybe Lars should pay you 2 million a year for your insightful advice since you have all the answers.

                                                                                              oh, and call it a day.


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                                                                                              • chadglni
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Paparazzi
                                                                                                ever heard of recorded shows?
                                                                                                Ever heard of less than 1% of their total income?


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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  something else that is obvious but you should consider, some of these programs that are offering really large payouts and revshare are probably shaving many of your sales to regain the payout back.
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                                                                                                  • RogerV
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                                    I think you're going to cost yourself affiliates with this thread.
                                                                                                    I doubt it.. and if I do oh well. they will lose the traffic from my members section. I will survive

                                                                                                    I pay per trial up front at take all the risk like most other programs. just wondering why everyone else doesn't have to? its all a numbers game

                                                                                                    the strong will survive shit i might just start programs for all of them and create a payout war

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