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09-10-2004, 10:32 AM

Eventually, the governments of western countries will figure out that laws concerning age verification for sites don't shield minors from adult content on the internet. There are always countries with other laws, after all.

Anyone else think that it's quite likely that filtering adult content at the ISP level (i.e. the ISP filters out adult content/sites unless the customer has supplied proof of age) will become mandatory in the next 5-10 years?

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09-10-2004, 10:35 AM

I suppose it's possible. Schools even try to do this though and they get shot down. It's too hard to control plus the free speech issue usually wins.

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09-10-2004, 10:39 AM

impossible.

even this doesn't work. so in the end the only viable solution , is the one we already have that works fine.

PARENTS NEED TO CONTROL THIS THEMSELVES !!!!!

THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

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09-10-2004, 10:41 AM

The free speech wins for now because there are no filtering methods accurate enough to only filter adult.... they always end up also filtering out medical sites and such.
Plus, free speech isn't that much of an issue if any adult has the possibility to get rid of the filter when they want to.

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09-10-2004, 10:43 AM

It's possible in the EU. Porn is already mostly illegal to sell in Germany.
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09-10-2004, 10:44 AM

It always amazes me how many people can argue 10 ways to sundown on this topic.

But we all know the answer..

Is there any way to 100% verify a person is of legal age to view the material.?? . NOPE and there never will be.. ( aside from manual verification i.e. in person )

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09-10-2004, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

PARENTS NEED TO CONTROL THIS THEMSELVES !!!!!

THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

Exactly... censorship on the internet is bullshit. Besides, if a minor is looking up porn who really gives a shit? At least they're not out having sex.
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09-10-2004, 10:45 AM

Things will always be changing, it's insane. People just always will need and have something to bitch about
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09-10-2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
impossible.

even this doesn't work. so in the end the only viable solution , is the one we already have that works fine.

PARENTS NEED TO CONTROL THIS THEMSELVES !!!!!

THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

Let me play devil's advocate for a while.

It is quite clear that the current method is NOT working. Adult content isn't just easily accessible for children, it's really hard to avoid even if you try.

Saying that parents should control their children doesn't cut it. Compare it to the real world... ofcourse, parents have to take care of their own children, but fucking in the street is illegal, as is giving adult magazines or alcohol to children. An ISP offering unrestricted access to porn can be compared to a store allowing children to read through the Playboys in the magazine rack.

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09-10-2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
It's possible in the EU. Porn is already mostly illegal to sell in Germany.

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09-10-2004, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
It always amazes me how many people can argue 10 ways to sundown on this topic.

But we all know the answer..

Is there any way to 100% verify a person is of legal age to view the material.?? . NOPE and there never will be.. ( aside from manual verification i.e. in person )

There are far more effective ways than the ones being used now... just look at Germany.

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09-10-2004, 10:48 AM

It's funny to see so many people fight online porn, while in the same time we almost have a second sex revolution in the real world and mass media show more sex than anytime before.

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09-10-2004, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
It's possible in the EU. Porn is already mostly illegal to sell in Germany.

Its not possible you moron ( sorry but )..

Lets say i have a page called widgets.com that sells assorted widgets.. i wont be filtered. If i place a picture on that page of a naked woman , the isp cant tell i have changed the picture instantly. It would take manual verification. With literally thousands of new porn sites opening up daily, this is fairly futile.

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09-10-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by stev0
Exactly... censorship on the internet is bullshit. Besides, if a minor is looking up porn who really gives a shit? At least they're not out having sex.

Most parents give a shit, especially the conservative ones. And, let me assure you that politicians do not give a shit if you give a shit or not.

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09-10-2004, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
Let me play devil's advocate for a while.

It is quite clear that the current method is NOT working. Adult content isn't just easily accessible for children, it's really hard to avoid even if you try.

Saying that parents should control their children doesn't cut it. Compare it to the real world... ofcourse, parents have to take care of their own children, but fucking in the street is illegal, as is giving adult magazines or alcohol to children. An ISP offering unrestricted access to porn can be compared to a store allowing children to read through the Playboys in the magazine rack.

PARENTS ALLOWING CHILDREN TO USE THE INTERNET is like giving them a playboy , not the isp.

TELEVISION displays tits and sex and violence , its up to the parent to montitor. Just like the internet...

Think about it seriously. HOW WOULD YOU POSSIBLY VERIFY AGE..

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09-10-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Its not possible you moron ( sorry but )..

Lets say i have a page called widgets.com that sells assorted widgets.. i wont be filtered. If i place a picture on that page of a naked woman , the isp cant tell i have changed the picture instantly. It would take manual verification. With literally thousands of new porn sites opening up daily, this is fairly futile.

With your argumentation you shouldn't be calling people morons. Has it ever occurred to you that for politicians, "protecting children from porn" gives better publicity than "doing nothing"?
The fact that no method will have a 100% success rate does not mean that politicians will just do nothing. 90% is better than 0%.

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09-10-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
There are far more effective ways than the ones being used now... just look at Germany.

doesn't appear to be very effective as looking through my stats i notice THOUSANDS of german hits to my porn sites this week. And looking back over the years stats, the numbers dont very 1 iota.

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09-10-2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
impossible.

even this doesn't work. so in the end the only viable solution , is the one we already have that works fine.

PARENTS NEED TO CONTROL THIS THEMSELVES !!!!!

THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

EXACTLY.
when we were kids and went intoa store with our parents and got caught looking at the playboy in the magazine section, who would the store yell at, our MOM for not controlling us. they never called playboy to bitch or yelled at the store manager for carrying the magazines. it all lies with the parents.
watch your freakin kids and monitor what they do on the internet. kinda like when you go to a community festival where theres that adults only area thats not monitored where uncle joey is getting plastered and making an idiot out of himself. when the 12 year old goes over to hang with the big boys, what does everyone scream "wheres his mother"

parents need to take resoonsibility. if i had a kid i can damn guarantee you their computer would be on lock. with no kazaa, no nothing. there are programs to do it. i knowa guy whos a sex addict that has to get permission for every website his browser shows from a "net guardian" he cannot view one page that isnt authorized.

and for those that will say that limits free speech, there is no right until their of age anyhow, since they are the responsibility of the parent until that age.

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09-10-2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
With your argumentation you shouldn't be calling people morons. Has it ever occurred to you that for politicians, "protecting children from porn" gives better publicity than "doing nothing"?
The fact that no method will have a 100% success rate does not mean that politicians will just do nothing. 90% is better than 0%.

There already is a 100% solution thats my whole point. Parents monitor internet activity period. Problem solved.. Get rid of lazy parents..

If a father buys a playboy and leaves it on the kitchen table , its the same thing...

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09-10-2004, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
PARENTS ALLOWING CHILDREN TO USE THE INTERNET is like giving them a playboy , not the isp.

TELEVISION displays tits and sex and violence , its up to the parent to montitor. Just like the internet...

Think about it seriously. HOW WOULD YOU POSSIBLY VERIFY AGE..

Parents allowing children is like them allowing their children to go outside. The internet has gained an extremely dominant position in everyday life, and is even necessary for many school projects.

Verifying age is quite easy at the ISP level. Not the age of the surfer, mind you, but the age of the person requesting the filter to be disabled. That way, only those who want to will have access to porn.

I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do think it is extremely likely that it will happen in the next 10 years.

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09-10-2004, 11:00 AM

Any parent who gives a child unmonitored access to the internet is a moron in my opinion.

You can change all the laws and filters as you may try , but in the end the problem is when your a 16 y.o. male you are looking for some titties. And you will find them..

If you let your child have access to the internet he/she will most likely end up a paranoid schizophrenic with severe sexual issues..

I let my children access certain sites , but when they do they are monitored 100% of the time by s-video monitor duplication so i can see everything they do.

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09-10-2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

Verifying age is quite easy at the ISP level. Not the age of the surfer, mind you, but the age of the person requesting the filter to be disabled. That way, only those who want to will have access to porn.
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Its not possible , how do you verify age ??? you can't.

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09-10-2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
doesn't appear to be very effective as looking through my stats i notice THOUSANDS of german hits to my porn sites this week. And looking back over the years stats, the numbers dont very 1 iota.

Gee, somehow I thought I had already mentioned the fact that "laws concerning age verification for sites don't shield minors from adult content on the internet. There are always countries with other laws, after all."

What Germany did is extremely effective for adult *sites* based in Germany. A similar system for *ISPs* would probably shield Germans under 18 from adult content entirely. Now, imagine a system like that being implemented in other countries.

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09-10-2004, 11:04 AM

i see what you mean.. thats not a bad idea, but i cant see anyone signing up for an isp that would do this.. Another company would just ask you at point of purchase if you want filters on.

Either way this solves absolutely nothing....

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09-10-2004, 11:05 AM

dont think its possible.

people CRAVE porn. nothing will stop them getting it.l
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09-10-2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
Gee, somehow I thought I had already mentioned the fact that "laws concerning age verification for sites don't shield minors from adult content on the internet. There are always countries with other laws, after all."

What Germany did is extremely effective for adult *sites* based in Germany. A similar system for *ISPs* would probably shield Germans under 18 from adult content entirely. Now, imagine a system like that being implemented in other countries.

i see what your saying here.. Again equally implausable as the world doesn't all agree to any laws. good luck getting the whole world to agree on any law.

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09-10-2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Any parent who gives a child unmonitored access to the internet is a moron in my opinion.

Please, try to get my point through your thick skull:
THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR OPINION IS

Ofcourse, parents should take responsibility. Unfortunately, many don't... they expect others to watch out for their children. Worse, most western governments agree with those parents and stupid people.

I am NOT talking about whether this *should* happen or not. I am talking about whether this *will* happen or not. Therefore, arguments why it *shouldn't* happen are irrelevant.

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09-10-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
i see what your saying here.. Again equally implausable as the world doesn't all agree to any laws. good luck getting the whole world to agree on any law.

The world doesn't have to agree. If a single country forces it's own ISPs to filter adult content for all internet access accounts that have not been adult-unlocked, this will be almost completely effective in shielding the citizens of that country from porn unless they've verified their age.

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09-10-2004, 11:09 AM

Either way your solution STILL wont GUARANTEE that a child cant access porn..

But my solution does guarantee that a child cant access porn

100% MONITORING OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN !!!

Every solution that has been posed so far does not even come close to keeping children from seeing porn. My solution is 100% effective , but it actually requires some work from the parent..

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09-10-2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
The world doesn't have to agree. If a single country forces it's own ISPs to filter adult content for all internet access accounts that have not been adult-unlocked, this will be almost completely effective in shielding the citizens of that country from porn unless they've verified their age.

So if i was a child i would just sneak over to my uncles house and watch his porn , gee that solves alot of problems.. Grab a brain

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09-10-2004, 11:15 AM

there is no way to ensure everyone watching nudity and sex on cable is of age either.

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09-10-2004, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Either way your solution STILL wont GUARANTEE that a child cant access porn..

But my solution does guarantee that a child cant access porn

100% MONITORING OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN !!!

Every solution that has been posed so far does not even come close to keeping children from seeing porn. My solution is 100% effective , but it actually requires some work from the parent..

Fucking hell. You still fail to understand what I'm saying?

This is NOT "my solution". I am NOT in favor of this. I do NOT claim it will be 100% effective.

What I am saying is that it is very likely that this will be implemented by western governments. I am also saying that it will be very effective, even if not 100%.

90% is more than enough to sound good to most voters (as it beats 0%), and therefore politicians will really like this. Politicians do not care that "parents should take responsibility". They care about their family-oriented image.

Oh, and is it possible? You decide:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07...adult_content/

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09-10-2004, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
[B]Please, try to get my point through your thick skull:
THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR OPINION IS

Loook here you waste of fucking space , you are a complete sack of useless braincells. You dont have a brain. Fuck off and suck my dick you sausage eating dog molester.

When i see you you will eat my daytons...

You cant keep your kids from porn because you are bad parents.. BAD PARENTS .

In civilized countries we look after our children, dont try to push your communist style lazy ass parent routine here.

We can look after our children , just because you cant doesn't mean were going to even think one moment about you and your inbred goat fucking family.

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09-10-2004, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
So if i was a child i would just sneak over to my uncles house and watch his porn , gee that solves alot of problems.. Grab a brain

And still you fail to understand what I'm saying. Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

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09-10-2004, 11:20 AM

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there is no way to ensure everyone watching nudity and sex on cable is of age either.

DING DING DING

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09-10-2004, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
And still you fail to understand what I'm saying. Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

Fuck off you stupid nazi...

Grow up learn to be parents..

Just because germans obviously cant look after their own children doesn't mean the rest of the world is so inadequate..

We already have the SAME ISP adult filters available here and we have had them from the internets conception..

You either buy the internet and know it has porn ( just like t.v. )

Or you dont.. get it..

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09-10-2004, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

You either buy the internet and know it has porn ( just like t.v. )

Or you dont.. get it..

This sums up the whole argument..

If you dont want you kids seeing porn on the internet . WATCH THEM. Try spending some time with your kids.

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09-10-2004, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Loook here you waste of fucking space , you are a complete sack of useless braincells. You dont have a brain. Fuck off and suck my dick you sausage eating dog molester.

When i see you you will eat my daytons...

You cant keep your kids from porn because you are bad parents.. BAD PARENTS .

In civilized countries we look after our children, dont try to push your communist style lazy ass parent routine here.

We can look after our children , just because you cant doesn't mean were going to even think one moment about you and your inbred goat fucking family.

You are without a doubt the single stupidest person I have encountered in all my years online. Congratulations.

This is the first time I've ever seen someone miss the difference between actually being in favor of something or just thinking it's quite likely that it will happen.

I think it will probably rain over here tomorrow. That doesn't mean I am in favor of it raining here tomorrow. Do you see the difference?

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09-10-2004, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Fuck off you stupid nazi...

I am a nazi for thinking something may happen in the future?

Nice analysis, tardboy.

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09-10-2004, 11:28 AM

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You are without a doubt the single stupidest person I have encountered in all my years online. Congratulations.

LOL your just another typical mouth. I shit bigger than you son..

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09-10-2004, 11:28 AM

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I am a nazi

aha .. proof.

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09-10-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

You either buy the internet and know it has porn ( just like t.v. )

Or you dont.. get it..
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This sums up the whole argument..

If you dont want you kids seeing porn on the internet . WATCH THEM. Try spending some time with your kids.

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09-10-2004, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
LOL your just another typical mouth. I shit bigger than you son..

And you're atypically stupid.

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09-10-2004, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
It always amazes me how many people can argue 10 ways to sundown on this topic.

But we all know the answer..

Is there any way to 100% verify a person is of legal age to view the material.?? . NOPE and there never will be.. ( aside from manual verification i.e. in person )

Yes, I agree. And have a look at germany: they force the adults to proof legal age by mail - not e-mail! The surfer has to go to the mail office and gets his access code. That´s why the german webmasters can´t earn a cent any longer.
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09-10-2004, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
aha .. proof.

Wow, you found out it's possible to edit the text inside quotes. Good going, Corky. That's a real achievement for someone as mentally challenged as you are.

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09-10-2004, 11:37 AM

Road Runner is allready filtering some sites. I can't vist a certian forum because it's blocked by the ISP. I have to use a proxy server to get to it.

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09-10-2004, 11:37 AM

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I killed jews with my bare hands.

how deplorable.. Thats not very nice at all..

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09-10-2004, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
You either buy the internet and know it has porn ( just like t.v. )

Or you dont.. get it..

Most porn on tv isn't as extreme as what can be found online, and therefore draws less criticism from the religious right than the internet.

If you just look at stuff like COPA, it is clear that adult stuff on the internet is an important target for politicians.

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09-10-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by punkworld
Most porn on tv isn't as extreme as what can be found online, and therefore draws less criticism from the religious right than the internet.

If you just look at stuff like COPA, it is clear that adult stuff on the internet is an important target for politicians.

If you were sitting with your child spending some time with them, you wouldnt need the government to tell you how to do things and what you can see.

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09-10-2004, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by m4yadult
Yes, I agree. And have a look at germany: they force the adults to proof legal age by mail - not e-mail! The surfer has to go to the mail office and gets his access code. That´s why the german webmasters can´t earn a cent any longer.

Just imagine what would happen if ISPs started requiring proof of age to allow access to adult sites. Many potential customers would be blocked from online porn yet unwilling to officially request access to porn.

Something like this would do considerable damage to the industry.

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