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  • neewwman
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    • Jan 2002
    • 1737
    #51
    You can't really say one artist is "better" than another (unless you're comparing, say, Michelangelo and Thomas Kinkade). A lot of it is subjective taste.

    I would guess that if you gave Eddie Van Halen the assignment of playing a Jimi Hendrix piece note-for-note he could do it while Jimi probably could not have played "Eruption"

    My favorite guitarist is Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, who did not make it into the top 100 on Rolling Stone's list. But that list was insane, with Eddie Van Halen down at 70.

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      • FissPunny
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        • Sep 2004
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        #52
        Originally posted by AlienQ
        Actually I think Eddie Van Halen is a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix.

        In not only Technique and higher learning about the instrument but creatively speaking as well.

        Take a good listen at 1984.

        "Hot For Teacher" opens up with one incredible piece of sound that demonstrates the dynamic of Eddie Van Halen taste with sound.

        Another guy that is totally underated with the guitar is Prince.
        But if ya wanna talk about a guy that cleans them all up take a look at Kirt Hammet.
        Kirk "penta - wah" Hammet... that's funny.

        Steve Vai cleans them all up, have you ever seen him live?
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          • Drake
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            • Mar 2003
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            #53
            Originally posted by AlienQ
            So your saying the Music Industry didnt go quality musicians for more cheaper musicians?

            There is no comparison between Nirvana and any of the below.
            Nirvana had nothing they were pure trash pushed on people.

            White Snake
            Pantera
            Def Lepard
            AC/DC
            Bon Jovi
            Van Halen

            Fuck sakes even Halloween!

            The Music Industry cashed out true talent for washed up non playing fiddler's in the mid 90's to score out rape style deals and pushed trash on the ears of people like you that bought it...
            Cobain wasn't a technically savvy guitarist, that I can't even think would be debatable. His song writing, singing, and ability to create simple but unique melodies backed by one of the best drummers of a rock band ever made Nirvana a great band. From the bands you listed only Hanen, Panteria, and Def Leppoard should be compared as being better or worse than Nirvana. They all had good players and brought something unique to thetable. AC/DC is a great hard rock band, but they're brand guitar playing is nothing special or new. It's good blues with distorted guitars. Bon Jovi, I wouldn't want to begin comparing. Image over music there, as with Whitesnake.
            Last edited by Drake; 09-09-2004, 07:02 PM.

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              • bhutocracy
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                • Dec 2001
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                #54
                Originally posted by Mike33
                I wish Nirvana had not been termed "grunge" and there was never a "grunge" or "alternative" movement in the 90's. It created generic sounding rock, all watered down versions of Nirvana/Pearl Jam/Soundgarden. Nirvana was simply a rock band that should have been called a rock band in the long tradition of rock bands. With the grunge tag other 'grunge' bands took center stage over other bands that played unique styles of basic rock music. But yeah, it was marketing. Maybe sales were down or sales were up but they thought they could milk it for more by creating grunge/alternative.
                Oh don't worry I agree, grunge was a bullshit marketing term.. Pearl Jam was a straight up traditional rock band. I think Nirvana considered themselves "indie punk". I don't pay attention to that stuff personally only in reference to others using the term.. just like "new rock" and "rap metal"..

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                  • Nicky
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                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30071
                    #55
                    Hehehe, wtf is this, how can someone mention Kirk when we talking about the best guitarists.......? Kirk is OK, nothing more.

                    Anyone of u know who Joe Satriani is?
                    Maybe Steve Vai? or John Petrucci ?

                    Jimi was god, Van Halen is ok :-)

                    I like my Ibanez

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                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                        • Mar 2003
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                        #56
                        Well If you were debating me in MI I would beat you in the face and say your right as far as Phrasing.

                        But to say Hammet was tied to 2 Modes is just silly, maybe you should give em a listen and a fair break.

                        aeolian and phrygian is all there I dint say it was not but there is alot of Myxolydian.
                        Again give "Ride the Lightening" a listen and you will understand.

                        Pink Flyd also uses Myxolydian.

                        Myxolydian is not as rare as you think in rock Metal. Its everywhere.


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                          • FissPunny
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                            #57
                            you will be pleased to learn I am the best. I can play smoke on the water with my knob
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                              • garce
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                                #58
                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                What are you some sort of Muffled Gibson guitarist???

                                HAhaha!

                                Jackson is the only guitar that truly opens up...

                                Go home...
                                Yeah, Jackson's are great for mechanical speed-weenie types. For nuance, tone, shading and subtlety, they don't come close to Pauls, Strats or Teles.

                                The telecaster is one of the very few guitars that can sound like a person crying. Your Jackson isn't doing that plugged into your Soldano.

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                                  • Nicky
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                                    • Mar 2003
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by FissPunny
                                    you will be pleased to learn I am the best. I can play smoke on the water with my knob
                                    ur 2nd, I can play it with my thumb on the low E string

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                                      • CDSmith
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                                        #60
                                        My money's on garce in this debate.
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                                          • garce
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                                            #61
                                            Back on topic, I love Jimi and (used to love) Eddie - who probably should have died before he got old. They both redefined rock guitar. You can't say that about many others - maybe Keith, as well.

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                                              • garce
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                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                My money's on garce in this debate.

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                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                    • Dec 2001
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                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    So your saying the Music Industry didnt go quality musicians for more cheaper musicians?

                                                    There is no comparison between Nirvana and any of the below.
                                                    Nirvana had nothing they were pure trash pushed on people.

                                                    White Snake
                                                    Pantera
                                                    Def Lepard
                                                    AC/DC
                                                    Bon Jovi
                                                    Van Halen

                                                    Fuck sakes even Halloween!

                                                    The Music Industry cashed out true talent for washed up non playing fiddler's in the mid 90's to score out rape style deals and pushed trash on the ears of people like you that bought it...
                                                    being technically proficient isn't the same as being a great musician. There is no comparison with Nirvana and Bon Jovi because Bon Jovi is for 40 year old women and who's contribution to music will be when he stops making it. White Snake were hacks.. Pantera are a bunch of sellout hair metallers that took a queer eye for the straight guy makeover from poodles to tough guys but still managed to make some decent music.. Def Lepard were a decent rock band, AC/DC are legends and continue to rock out today.
                                                    No.. the listening public got sick of the formulaic crap the hair metallers were churning out and switched to a more refreshing sound before it too became formulaic crap as the companies pushed shite like Candlebox.

                                                    To think that one lot of music was any less company driven than another is basically naive and retarded. All musical groupings have been marketed after the initial breakthrough bands. Back to the beatles and their copy cats and the beach boys, theirs and beyond.

                                                    You're confusing the fact that new artists don't get paid as much as established ones because they are untested with some overarching rational decision.. record companies only care about profits.. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE ON UNTESTED ARTISTS OVER THEIR ESTABLISHED PROFITABLE ONES. If they could make millions trying to keep on selling whitesnake they would, but grunge effectively killed their audience because in one foul stroke they and the rest of poodle-rock suddenly were embarrassing to large sections of the general public and basically became unprofitable because the record sales waned. Record companies don't give a fuck about giving proven artists millions of dollars because it's money in the bank. You're just bitter that your preferred style of music got trumped (as they all do). To your logic bands like REM wouldn't get the 80 million dollars they did a few years ago, they would spend a million each on 80 bands to replace them.. it doesn't happen.. Style changes just kill currently popular music sales.. it happened to "grunge" too. It happened to "rap metal"..

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                                                      • garett
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                                                        • Mar 2004
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                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by garett
                                                        "Ionian. = C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C
                                                        Is the standard phrasing in Metallica."

                                                        Ionian is the major scale. It is the simplest scale in music theory because it contains no flats or sharps. In fact.. Ionian is the first thing you learn when you begin to study music theory because EVERYTHING relates back to Ionian. I was assuming that you already knew that but after reading your post there it's obvious that you don't.
                                                        I just realized I made an extremely erroneous statement there. I would have edited my other post but since it's been more than 5 minutes ...

                                                        Ionian can most certainly contain sharps and flats .. lol .. it's C Inonian (or C major - which is what AlienQ posted) that is the simplest scale because it contains no sharps and flats. I really can't believe I typed that lol.

                                                        And with that said .. that's another thing that doesn't really make sense. Ionian does not = C D E F G A B C D .. that's simply C Ionian.. it doesn't describe the mode (which is simply represented as 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 .. and that's how everything in music relates back to Ionian.. all other scales use the Ionian formula as a basis .. ie: aeolian = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 etc.).

                                                        So I hope AlienQ isn't saying that all of Metallica's songs are in C Major lmao

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                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                            • Mar 2003
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                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by garce
                                                            Yeah, Jackson's are great for mechanical speed-weenie types. For nuance, tone, shading and subtlety, they don't come close to Pauls, Strats or Teles.

                                                            The telecaster is one of the very few guitars that can sound like a person crying. Your Jackson isn't doing that plugged into your Soldano.
                                                            Actually I use Roland Amps with the Jackson.
                                                            Tonal quality is all in the Amp and Pick ups not the Guitarr.

                                                            However in metal who gives a fuck about Subtlety....

                                                            Garret go back to school...
                                                            Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 09-09-2004, 07:28 PM.

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                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 10218
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by neewwman
                                                                I would guess that if you gave Eddie Van Halen the assignment of playing a Jimi Hendrix piece note-for-note he could do it while Jimi probably could not have played "Eruption"
                                                                The difference is Jimi would be able to practice enough to get Eruption down pat Whereas Eddie would never be able to come up with the creativity of Jimi's notes in the first place.

                                                                Technical proficiency is just a matter of time. (lots and lots of time)

                                                                Creativity is a rare and unlearnable gift.

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                                                                  • Drake
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                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 12508
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                    being technically proficient isn't the same as being a great musician. There is no comparison with Nirvana and Bon Jovi because Bon Jovi is for 40 year old women and who's contribution to music will be when he stops making it. White Snake were hacks.. Pantera are a bunch of sellout hair metallers that took a queer eye for the straight guy makeover from poodles to tough guys but still managed to make some decent music.. Def Lepard were a decent rock band, AC/DC are legends and continue to rock out today.
                                                                    No.. the listening public got sick of the formulaic crap the hair metallers were churning out and switched to a more refreshing sound before it too became formulaic crap as the companies pushed shite like Candlebox.

                                                                    To think that one lot of music was any less company driven than another is basically naive and retarded. All musical groupings have been marketed after the initial breakthrough bands. Back to the beatles and their copy cats and the beach boys, theirs and beyond.

                                                                    You're confusing the fact that new artists don't get paid as much as established ones because they are untested with some overarching rational decision.. record companies only care about profits.. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE ON UNTESTED ARTISTS OVER THEIR ESTABLISHED PROFITABLE ONES. If they could make millions trying to keep on selling whitesnake they would, but grunge effectively killed their audience because in one foul stroke they and the rest of poodle-rock suddenly were embarrassing to large sections of the general public and basically became unprofitable because the record sales waned. Record companies don't give a fuck about giving proven artists millions of dollars because it's money in the bank. You're just bitter that your preferred style of music got trumped (as they all do). To your logic bands like REM wouldn't get the 80 million dollars they did a few years ago, they would spend a million each on 80 bands to replace them.. it doesn't happen.. Style changes just kill currently popular music sales.. it happened to "grunge" too. It happened to "rap metal"..
                                                                    Yep

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                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                        #68
                                                                        "You're confusing the fact that new artists don't get paid as much as established ones because they are untested with some overarching rational decision.. record companies only care about profits.. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE ON UNTESTED ARTISTS OVER THEIR ESTABLISHED PROFITABLE ONES."

                                                                        But thats exactly what they did.
                                                                        They threw the shit away with The grunge sound and gave it a fancy name to boot. The Music industry spit in the face of truly talented musicians.
                                                                        And if you have your doubts why the fuck are there so many Rap bands that come out of the wood work today?

                                                                        Ya wanna explaine why Green Day is better than Def Lepard?

                                                                        Good luck.
                                                                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 09-09-2004, 07:41 PM.

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                                                                          • garce
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                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                            • 7103
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                            Jimi Hendrix used a Squire Strat...
                                                                            Are you sure you're not confusing Jimi with Jeff Healey? One is dead and black, the other blind and white.

                                                                            Todays Guitars such as Jackson's have modifications that are unbelievable from Floyd Rose Wammies to Ice Strings and double Hummbucker's.
                                                                            Ummm, the whammy isn't a "recent" innovation, the locking nut is (20 years or so?). Double humbuckers are older than me, and thats old
                                                                            The potential of the 60's guitar is limited to the 60's in technical ability alone.
                                                                            Tell that to (the late) Andrés Segovia. Or Lenny Breau. Comparing musical ability based on technical mastery of a specific genre is futile. You may think that the blues is simple, but I'd bet my left nut that you can't really play it. Not with that attitude.
                                                                            Solid state Amps brought a whole new school of sound in itself.
                                                                            Hear GK amp's in Metallica and listen to the fuzz of the old school amp's and there is no comparison.
                                                                            Although solid state is fine for the road (very sturdy and reliable), the sound cannot compare to a hot valve amp.

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                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                Ya wanna explaine why Green Day is better than Def Lepard?

                                                                                Good luck.
                                                                                Okay that made me laugh.
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                                                                                  • pimplink
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by FissPunny
                                                                                    Kirk "penta - wah" Hammet... that's funny.

                                                                                    Steve Vai cleans them all up, have you ever seen him live?
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                                                                                      • Kard63
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                                                                                        #72
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                                                                                          • garce
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                                                                                            • 7103
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                            Actually I use Roland Amps with the Jackson.
                                                                                            Tonal quality is all in the Amp and Pick ups not the Guitarr.

                                                                                            However in metal who gives a fuck about Subtlety....

                                                                                            Garret go back to school...
                                                                                            I've been to school, and I graduated. When you have your gain at "10" and your master at "2", I agree - the guitar doesn't really matter.

                                                                                            But I have a hollowbody Les Paul from the Gibson custom shop that says it will not sound anything like your Jackson no matter what you do with the volume settings.

                                                                                            The guitar should sound good without an amp. And Roland makes cheap pieces of shit, anyway. Get a real amp. My buddy Jim Marshall would like to talk to you.

                                                                                            I think I'm getting yanked. I can't believe that someone told me that tonal quality is in the amp and pickups.

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                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                • 10218
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                "You're confusing the fact that new artists don't get paid as much as established ones because they are untested with some overarching rational decision.. record companies only care about profits.. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE ON UNTESTED ARTISTS OVER THEIR ESTABLISHED PROFITABLE ONES."

                                                                                                But thats exactly what they did.
                                                                                                Wrong. You can think that all you want but it's still wrong.
                                                                                                It's almost the exact opposite.. Record companies are so conservative they don't sign the beatles when approached.
                                                                                                If you had a mainstream porn site making 10k a week and then reality sites came along would you just shut off your 10k a week site to start up a reality site? No you milk them both. NO COMPANY THROWS AWAY MONEY. The market for hair metal just dried up making it unprofitable for all but a few able to make the transition such a metallica, pantera etc. The bands you mentioned continued to release material.. the albums just started bombing. Of course once you become an unviable entity you get canned.

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                                                                                                  • garce
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Ok, final post. I have some work to do. AlienQ, you go back to school. Learn where it came from, then maybe one day you can take it someplace new.


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                                                                                                    Gibson Guitars

                                                                                                    Fender Guitars & Amps

                                                                                                    Just try to enjoy music. Don't get uptight over styles and techniques. As Frank Zappa would say...

                                                                                                    Shut up and play your guitar

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                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by garce
                                                                                                        I've been to school, and I graduated. When you have your gain at "10" and your master at "2", I agree - the guitar doesn't really matter.

                                                                                                        But I have a hollowbody Les Paul from the Gibson custom shop that says it will not sound anything like your Jackson no matter what you do with the volume settings.

                                                                                                        The guitar should sound good without an amp. And Roland makes cheap pieces of shit, anyway. Get a real amp. My buddy Jim Marshall would like to talk to you.

                                                                                                        I think I'm getting yanked. I can't believe that someone told me that tonal quality is in the amp and pickups.
                                                                                                        You are exactly right a Jackson will never sound like a Gibson, no matter what you do to a Gibson its sound is burried almost as bad as an Ibanez. The "Unleashing" sound is not there, it sounds contained to me.

                                                                                                        Roland is a very good Amp and if you will notice my choice of Amp is not solid state but a tube amp.

                                                                                                        Again with Marshal the sound is muffled to me, the "clarity" is not there with distortion. The Roland Amp is the same model used by "The Police" in Synchronicity. The Roland Amp gives absolute clarity when its needed.

                                                                                                        I honestly feel like I got the best of both worlds with my choice of gear and it is a unique combo I will admit that much that gives the sound the way I like it when I am on 1 channel or all 4 with the Jackson.

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                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            "If you had a mainstream porn site making 10k a week and then reality sites came along would you just shut off your 10k a week site to start up a reality site?"

                                                                                                            HaHaaa now thats funny. But thats exactly what pornsites did.
                                                                                                            Everyone jumped on the reality thing and those that didnt missed out...
                                                                                                            Those same sites making 10K a week fell to 9 then 7 then 5...
                                                                                                            There is no steady in Porn or music it always changes.

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                                                                                                              • Drake
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                Wrong. You can think that all you want but it's still wrong.
                                                                                                                It's almost the exact opposite.. Record companies are so conservative they don't sign the beatles when approached.
                                                                                                                If you had a mainstream porn site making 10k a week and then reality sites came along would you just shut off your 10k a week site to start up a reality site? No you milk them both. NO COMPANY THROWS AWAY MONEY. The market for hair metal just dried up making it unprofitable for all but a few able to make the transition such a metallica, pantera etc. The bands you mentioned continued to release material.. the albums just started bombing. Of course once you become an unviable entity you get canned.
                                                                                                                Nice... I think this is what I tried getting at in another thread "Best rock group". Basically all the supergroups of the 70's didn't just disappear. Most of them stayed and put out albums but they no longer produced material the public wanted to hear. The music industry tries to provide what the public will buy. The public dictates what is viable and what is not and the record company follows by dishing out tons of wannabe bands that sound like the one that sold well to begin with. Sometime marketing preceeds demand where a company artificially creates a want for a product but for music it's largely been the other way around because it's hard to coerce people to buy music they simply don't like hearing.

                                                                                                                Also, remind me never to argue with Garce on matters of the guitar. I'm humbled just reading his posts here.

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                                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                    • 10218
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ

                                                                                                                    Ya wanna explaine why Green Day is better than Def Lepard?
                                                                                                                    I don't have to.. to me they're both comparable for their time.. I think I may have even bought the single for "Rocket".. Perhaps in a time of economic depression more people identified with lyrics like:

                                                                                                                    "No time for motivation
                                                                                                                    Smoking my inspiration
                                                                                                                    I sit around and watch the phone but no one's calling
                                                                                                                    Call me pathetic, call me what you will
                                                                                                                    My mother says to get a job
                                                                                                                    But she don't like the one she's got
                                                                                                                    When masturbations lost its fun
                                                                                                                    You're fucking breaking "
                                                                                                                    -longview

                                                                                                                    than:

                                                                                                                    "There you are breathin? soft on my skin, yeah
                                                                                                                    Still you won?t let me in
                                                                                                                    So come on

                                                                                                                    Why save your kisses for a rainy day
                                                                                                                    Baby let the moment take your heart away"
                                                                                                                    -have you ever needed someone so bad

                                                                                                                    Metal's bland pomposity probably wasn't "keeping it real".
                                                                                                                    It was ok for it's time but the youth coming up just didn't identify with it. Which happens of course regardless of lyrical content there is only a certain amount of time a musical style is rebellious before it becomes something your parents listen to or whatever.

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                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        HEhe what that comparison tells me is that the generation under me are a bunch of self wallowing pathetic cry babies...

                                                                                                                        At least the 80's were filled with some sort of goal even if it was trying to get laid.

                                                                                                                        But true...
                                                                                                                        I guess the comparison is a good one and logical!
                                                                                                                        Go Green Day! Go and make the next generation a bunch of self wallowing pathetic cry babies, just like Nirvana.
                                                                                                                        I am sure everyone will relate to that message of pathetic exhistance.
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                                                                                                                          • block
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Jimi is great, but Eddie may be a "better" guitarist... As far as being influential and everything I would give that to Jimi for sure. He did some amazing work.

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                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                "If you had a mainstream porn site making 10k a week and then reality sites came along would you just shut off your 10k a week site to start up a reality site?"

                                                                                                                                HaHaaa now thats funny. But thats exactly what pornsites did.
                                                                                                                                Everyone jumped on the reality thing and those that didnt missed out...
                                                                                                                                Those same sites making 10K a week fell to 9 then 7 then 5...
                                                                                                                                There is no steady in Porn or music it always changes.

                                                                                                                                Ok.

                                                                                                                                A. *sigh* No, pornsites did not shut off their 10k a week sites, they diversified.

                                                                                                                                B. Reality sites did not kill mainstream sites.

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                                                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                    Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 10218
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                    HEhe what that comparison tells me is that the generation under me are a bunch of self wallowing pathetic cry babies...
                                                                                                                                    I think mostly they just thought hair metal was exeedingly gay.

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                                                                                                                                      • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 15772
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Nuno.

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                                                                                                                                          • pimplink
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 9535
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Was there an "ALTERNATIVE" metal before it became commercial?

                                                                                                                                            I'm guessing Anthrax and really early Metallica were examples of this

                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                            I don't have to.. to me they're both comparable for their time.. I think I may have even bought the single for "Rocket".. Perhaps in a time of economic depression more people identified with lyrics like:

                                                                                                                                            "No time for motivation
                                                                                                                                            Smoking my inspiration
                                                                                                                                            I sit around and watch the phone but no one's calling
                                                                                                                                            Call me pathetic, call me what you will
                                                                                                                                            My mother says to get a job
                                                                                                                                            But she don't like the one she's got
                                                                                                                                            When masturbations lost its fun
                                                                                                                                            You're fucking breaking "
                                                                                                                                            -longview

                                                                                                                                            than:

                                                                                                                                            "There you are breathin? soft on my skin, yeah
                                                                                                                                            Still you won?t let me in
                                                                                                                                            So come on

                                                                                                                                            Why save your kisses for a rainy day
                                                                                                                                            Baby let the moment take your heart away"
                                                                                                                                            -have you ever needed someone so bad

                                                                                                                                            Metal's bland pomposity probably wasn't "keeping it real".
                                                                                                                                            It was ok for it's time but the youth coming up just didn't identify with it. Which happens of course regardless of lyrical content there is only a certain amount of time a musical style is rebellious before it becomes something your parents listen to or whatever.

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                                                                                                                                              • reynold
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                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 51271
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                It's pretty obvious Jimmy Hendrix.

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                                                                                                                                                  • fr8
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                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 5074
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    How is this even being debated? Hendrix was before his time. Eddie does not even compare to hendrix.

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                                                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                        Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 10218
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by pimplink
                                                                                                                                                        Was there an "ALTERNATIVE" metal before it became commercial?

                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing Anthrax and really early Metallica were examples of this
                                                                                                                                                        more like Sabbath and Judas Priest. Anthrax and Metallica came after Van Halen and Whitesnake..

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                                                                                                                                                          • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                            I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 41470
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            ummm, jim's dead.

                                                                                                                                                            if they had a contest i don't think a corpse could play well......
                                                                                                                                                            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                            Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                              • DWB
                                                                                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 31779
                                                                                                                                                                #90

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                                                                                                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                    ummm, jim's dead.

                                                                                                                                                                    if they had a contest i don't think a corpse could play well......
                                                                                                                                                                    Good point!

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                                                                                                                                                                      • michel
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 3420
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                                                        Kirt Hammet 4th rate!

                                                                                                                                                                        OMg...

                                                                                                                                                                        Your retarded.
                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, he meant 6th rate

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                                                                                                                                                                          • ivil_klown
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                            • 192
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            do we really have to compare them? Jimi Hendrix, and BTW Kirk Hammet is better than you think he is. even better than you guys.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Mikey_219Inc
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1876
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
                                                                                                                                                                                Secondly, a Jackson isn't a guitar. It is a toy.
                                                                                                                                                                                Let him who hath understanding reckon the WISDOM of the TOOF!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mikey_219Inc
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1876
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jimi Hendrix was ahead of OUR time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Whatever happened with the court ruling - i think there was a hearing last week, Jimis father left money to a cousin but not the son or something, now EXPERIENCE HENDRIX or whatever the company is called is selling jimi hendrix toilet paper and pepsi commercials (ugh)

                                                                                                                                                                                    man im out of the loop these hurricanes really suck ass. I missed ozzfest AND im missing the damn stevie ray vaughan freeview on directv

                                                                                                                                                                                    FUCK YOU FRANCES!

                                                                                                                                                                                    p.s. i dont know if it was hammet or hetfield who wrote but many of the metallica stuff is very cool - regardless of how good of a player hammet is - i get chills listening to "To Live is to Die" ... theoritically anything can be labelled scales arpeggios

                                                                                                                                                                                    ... but im almost blown out of my car when i put in electric ladyland - if you like hendrix - get the dvd making of EL ... fucking cool
                                                                                                                                                                                    Let him who hath understanding reckon the WISDOM of the TOOF!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Praguer
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 991
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Is a good gutarrist judged by the number and coolness of the tricks he can perform on a guitar? If yes, then absolutely Hendrix or Halen are no doubt the best.

                                                                                                                                                                                        If a good gutarrist means being able to express emotions and touch people in a way no words can do. Then my vote goes for:

                                                                                                                                                                                        Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana, Joe Satriani.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • SinisterStudios
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 3087
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Jimi hands down, very few guys can hold a candle to him, but stevie ray vaughn would probally give him a run for his money.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • SongRider
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 651
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                I am a fan of both.... but Jimi paved the way for Eddie and all the rest.... NOBODY did any of those things before Jimi did!!! And Jimi's carrear was from 1967 to 1970 with only 4 original albums released. So that alone shows you the talent & impact he had on the music biz and guitarists.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Eddie is a great guitarist as well and he opened doors when Van Halen was released in the late 70's. He brought attention back to the guitar and raised the bar for all players after him. But ALOT of Eddie's playing was all tricks.... Hammering and so on..... Jimi ALSO used these tricks but they were not the foundation for his entire style.

                                                                                                                                                                                                It almost becomes an apples and oranges type of thing.... But I think Jimi did alot more in 3 or four years then Eddie has done in over 20.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I have to go with Jimi!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • dennisthemenace
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 2668
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Apples vs oranges IMO

                                                                                                                                                                                                    All the best to you

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Danny_C
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2160
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've been playing since I was 10. I didn't take lessons from Satch, but I know music theory, can play many styles, and have done seminars with many famous guitarists (from Vinnie Moore to Chet Atkins). I studied with many great teachers............ And this has to be the most pretentious guitar discussion I've ever seen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here are some things I've discovered: the kind of guitar you use depends on your preference. The benchmarks you use to compare guitarists is relative, and depends on your preference.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Having said that, I'd personally agree that Kirk Hammett is a terrible guitarist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        And between Jimi and Eddie, I'd never compare. They're way too different.

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