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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
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      • 12clicks
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jan 2001
        • 19814
        #52
        Originally posted by dig420
        No, he means all the much much much more credible evidence that Hussein had NOTHING that was ignored while Bush pressured our intelligence services to come up with the results he wanted to see.
        much more credible?
        post it then genius. links, not more tin foil rantings.

        Originally posted by dig420
        And most of the info you cite was already discredited TOTALLY before the crackhead put it before the American public. Or maybe you missed that whole Valerie Plame thing. I don't think Fox covered that very much.
        wrong again silly. none of it was discredited. (well, as long as you don't call liberals giving an opinion as "discredited")
        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19814
            #53
            Originally posted by dig420
            I don't know who you're talking about, but it isn't me. Keep making the smiley faces though, they're the strongest part of your argument.
            you talking to me or the voices in your head?
            imagining I'm talking to someone other than you only fools you, not anyone else reading this.
            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                best designer on GFY
                • Mar 2003
                • 30307
                #54
                ahahaha, only a deluded, broken down off his meds shut in would characterize the president of the US as a failure.

                Hello?

                HAhahaha!
                You goto be on meds to think that Bush has done well with his 4 years of destruction.

                I would say he has done great being a complete uncompromising dick whom has single handedly wrecked our country.

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                  • CraigA
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 723
                    #55
                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                    fals info? you mean russian intelligence warning of saddam planning attacks on the US or do you mean saddams use and ownership of chemical weapons, or the brittish intelligence about nuclear interest or the discovery of a hidden nuclear program or the UN intelligence stating tons of proscribed weapons unaccounted for?


                    its gotta suck being a leftist stooge who's only ability is to second guess what the don't have the balls to do.
                    Perfect. No US intelliegence mentioned so we could pass the buck on someone else when all of this became fantasy land.
                    It's not about balls, macho man. It's about discretion. As our former president said at the Democratic Convention, strength and wisdom are not opposing values. Obviously this is a concept you and your square headed cronies have failed to grasp.

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                      • 12clicks
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 19814
                        #56
                        Originally posted by CraigA
                        Perfect. No US intelliegence mentioned so we could pass the buck on someone else when all of this became fantasy land.
                        It's not about balls, macho man. It's about discretion. As our former president said at the Democratic Convention, strength and wisdom are not opposing values. Obviously this is a concept you and your square headed cronies have failed to grasp.
                        Yes, we've got it all wrong.
                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                          • dig420
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                            • May 2001
                            • 9240
                            #57
                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            much more credible?
                            post it then genius. links, not more tin foil rantings.


                            wrong again silly. none of it was discredited. (well, as long as you don't call liberals giving an opinion as "discredited")
                            It's not my fault you don't read Ronnie, why don't you go look it up? Start with the NY Times, then go to CNN. It's public knowledge, not hard to find and it's been on all the major news outlets. Which you would know if you got your news from any other sources besides Rush Limbaugh and Fox 'News'.

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                              • 12clicks
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 19814
                                #58
                                Originally posted by AlienQ


                                Hello?

                                HAhahaha!
                                You goto be on meds to think that Bush has done well with his 4 years of destruction.

                                I would say he has done great being a complete uncompromising dick whom has single handedly wrecked our country.
                                I just wanted to repost this for fun.
                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                  • ezrydn
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                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 695
                                    #59
                                    Let me see if I get this right. You're upset because George didn't show up for his Flight Physical? Really, that's all this "new" stuff is about.

                                    Consider this: Missing the Flight Physical only removes him from flight status. Maybe you are unaware that, without a current Flight Physical, you can't legally fly. Ok, he's off flight status. What does that have to do with his "served honorably" position? Two different animals there.

                                    While in Nam, I missed a physical and was removed from "liftship" flight status for about 3 weeks, until I could get another appointment. Does that make my service "dishonorable?"

                                    Give me a fuckin' break. Or, just reload your pipe and wish on.

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                                      • 12clicks
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Jan 2001
                                        • 19814
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by dig420
                                        It's not my fault you don't read Ronnie, why don't you go look it up? Start with the NY Times, then go to CNN. It's public knowledge, not hard to find and it's been on all the major news outlets. Which you would know if you got your news from any other sources besides Rush Limbaugh and Fox 'News'.
                                        Translation: I've been exposed. let me switch to plan B and say he can't read
                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                          • 12clicks
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 19814
                                            #61

                                            poor deluded children.
                                            life sucks, eh?
                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                              • dig420
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 9240
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                Translation: I've been exposed. let me switch to plan B and say he can't read
                                                Translation: I'm not going to work that hard on your behalf to show you shit that's already been published all over the world. If you want to stay ignorant it's really not my problem, except that you vote. Then it becomes my problem, but it takes a certain mental flexibility to process information and change your mind, and if you had that mental prowess you wouldn't be a conservative in the first place.

                                                so look it up yourself, lazy fuck.

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                                                  • 12clicks
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 19814
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by dig420
                                                    Translation: I'm not going to work that hard on your behalf to show you shit that's already been published all over the world. If you want to stay ignorant it's really not my problem, except that you vote. Then it becomes my problem, but it takes a certain mental flexibility to process information and change your mind, and if you had that mental prowess you wouldn't be a conservative in the first place.

                                                    so look it up yourself, lazy fuck.
                                                    ah yes, again, when pressed for proof, the liberal stooge bows out.
                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                      • mardigras
                                                        Bon temps!
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 14194
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                        ok dopey, I'll play your game.
                                                        Please give us examples of AWOLs from the 70s who were discharged in the 70s as a "convenience to the government"



                                                        I'll wait
                                                        Your childish namecalling is wearing thin and if you want to continue humping my posts and get a response you should consider slacking off on it

                                                        Let me spell this as clearly as I can.

                                                        What I said has nothing to do with "examples of AWOLs from the 70s who were discharged in the 70s". It was a statement of military policy.

                                                        The commanding officer that signs a military discharge will designate the discharge under one of many categories. There is completion of service, medical, hardship and "convenience to the government" amongst those that would be issued an Honorable Discharge certificate. The other certificates are "Under other than honorable" and "Bad conduct discharge". You have to have done something pretty bad to get a Bad Conduct discharge.

                                                        I know first-hand that favors are done when writing these discharges and also often the CO is compassionate when designating it because he knows the stigma attatched forever. If someone is unsuitable for military service but they aren't a criminal the CO could give them a "convenience to the government" designation which gets them out of the military's hair and they get their honorable discharge. I personally know of at least 2 of those given to people with addictions.

                                                        We may never know what really went on during George Bush's "service", but I've never heard of military people being able to toss off their obligations to go campaigning for political candidates so obviously someone was making special arrangements for him (not that there's anything wrong with that).... at any time any CO could have written him a "convenience to the government" HONORABLE Discharge... whether a favor or just to let go an unneeded/unwanted member and even if he had been a little "naughty".
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                                                          • dig420
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2001
                                                            • 9240
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                            ah yes, again, when pressed for proof, the liberal stooge bows out.
                                                            yet again, when pressed to do some research, the conservative idiot flips on Fox News.

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                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 19814
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                Your childish namecalling is wearing thin and if you want to continue humping my posts and get a response you should consider slacking off on it

                                                                Let me spell this as clearly as I can.

                                                                What I said has nothing to do with "examples of AWOLs from the 70s who were discharged in the 70s". It was a statement of military policy.

                                                                The commanding officer that signs a military discharge will designate the discharge under one of many categories. There is completion of service, medical, hardship and "convenience to the government" amongst those that would be issued an Honorable Discharge certificate. The other certificates are "Under other than honorable" and "Bad conduct discharge". You have to have done something pretty bad to get a Bad Conduct discharge.

                                                                I know first-hand that favors are done when writing these discharges and also often the CO is compassionate when designating it because he knows the stigma attatched forever. If someone is unsuitable for military service but they aren't a criminal the CO could give them a "convenience to the government" designation which gets them out of the military's hair and they get their honorable discharge. I personally know of at least 2 of those given to people with addictions.

                                                                We may never know what really went on during George Bush's "service", but I've never heard of military people being able to toss off their obligations to go campaigning for political candidates so obviously someone was making special arrangements for him (not that there's anything wrong with that).... at any time any CO could have written him a "convenience to the government" HONORABLE Discharge... whether a favor or just to let go an unneeded/unwanted member and even if he had been a little "naughty".
                                                                any length to spin a tale to call night day or black white or truth false.
                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                  • Giorgio_Xo
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                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 4263
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Damn. This thread got big while my internet went down.
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                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 14194
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                        any length to spin a tale to call night day or black white or truth false.
                                                                        Any length? I told you I know first-hand from my own military experience. If you'd like you may publicly call me a liar. That seems to be a popular thing for Republican sheep to do to people who actually served. BTW, what branch were you in?
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                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                            • 30307
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Hi Horse riders never see the blade that cuts the legs out from under em...

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                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                • 19814
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by dig420
                                                                                yet again, when pressed to do some research, the conservative idiot flips on Fox News.
                                                                                run away diglet, run away.

                                                                                http://www.nci.org/pr/pr21998.htm
                                                                                The Nuclear Control Institute (NCI) warned today that contrary to the widespread belief that Iraq's nuclear weapons program no longer poses an immediate threat, evidence collected by United Nations inspectors in fact points to an active, advanced program that poses a clear and present danger.
                                                                                In 1990, just prior to the Gulf War, NCI had warned that Iraq might be only weeks away from having a bomb because it could divert bomb-grade uranium fuel from its civilian research reactors between visits by IAEA inspectors. NCI's warning went unheeded at the time, only to be proven correct when Saddam's son-in-law defected in 1995 and disclosed he had ordered a "crash program" to produce a bomb by this means until allied bombing halted the effort.

                                                                                http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemi...miraqgas2.html

                                                                                soil samples taken from bomb craters near a Kurdish village in northern Iraq by a team of forensic scientists have been found to contain trace evidence of nerve gas.

                                                                                this link is probably over your head but the smart ones will get it:
                                                                                http://www.direct.gov.uk/Newsroom/Ne...956&chk=G9/Fci

                                                                                go look at the report of multiple sources for the iraq niger connection. you'll see that intelligent men disregarded the forged documents and still concluded that iraq tried to buy uranium.

                                                                                you have until tomorrow for a rebuttle with your leftist thoughts, nitwit. my day is over
                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                    Any length? I told you I know first-hand from my own military experience. If you'd like you may publicly call me a liar. That seems to be a popular thing for Republican sheep to do to people who actually served. BTW, what branch were you in?
                                                                                    oh please, fool. the only sheep here are the people who buy into your 1000 word expalination of how someone can go awol and get a honorable discharge. keep drinking the koolaide, stooge.
                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                      • Tom_PMs
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                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 2049
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                        thats like saying you're an idiot who doesn't know how the military works.
                                                                                        lol, I forgot.. When it comes to awarding medals in real combat, the military doesnt work. When it comes to sugar coating a pretty rich boy's record, it works just fine tyvm

                                                                                        You've read it, you can't unread it.

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                                                                                          • project_naughty
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                                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                                            • 568
                                                                                            #73
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                                                                                              • theking
                                                                                                Nice Kitty
                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                • 21053
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                Excuse me? I don't think I said that. The military services can designate the discharge of any member as "convenience to the government" and the discharge itself will say "Honorable Discharge".
                                                                                                No it will not...it will be what is known as a general discharge and will say...if applicable...under honorable conditions. It is a totally different document than an Honorable Discharge.
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                                                                                                  • mardigras
                                                                                                    Bon temps!
                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                    • 14194
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                    oh please, fool. the only sheep here are the people who buy into your 1000 word expalination of how someone can go awol and get a honorable discharge. keep drinking the koolaide, stooge.
                                                                                                    So again, I ask you what branch you were in to know first hand?

                                                                                                    If someone arranged for him to go campaigning instead of his normal duties why is it hard to believe they would write a "Convenience to the government" discharge for him? It's a matter of simple cleric paperwork. You act like it's an act of Congress or something.
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                                                                                                      • unconnected
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                                                                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                                                                        • 1025
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        12 clicks is like the herpes that only festers up around election time. The good thing is that after his anti-christ is either re-elected or taken out of office he will go away again for another 4 years as he has nothing to troll on about..

                                                                                                        not like I will ever read this thread again, so you can save your breath from calling me a diglet, or any other new made up word you have, and don't worry I will go take my meds now..
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                                                                                                          • mardigras
                                                                                                            Bon temps!
                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                            • 14194
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                            No it will not...it will be what is known as a general discharge and will say...if applicable...under honorable conditions. It is a totally different document than an Honorable Discharge.
                                                                                                            I know for a fact that a CO can issue whatever documents he wants. Or at least it was still that way in '81.
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                                                                                                              • theking
                                                                                                                Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                • 21053
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                I know for a fact that a CO can issue whatever documents he wants. Or at least it was still that way in '81.
                                                                                                                A CO does not process any discharge..."Honorable Discharge"...or "general discharge" or any other type of discharge...and in addition a discharge is given primarily...if not totally...based upon your 201 file/jacket. A "general discharge" covers most dishcharges other than an "Honorable Discharge"...ie...a person can go AWOL and in lieu of a Courts Martial he can be given a "general discharge" which will literally state "less than honorable conditions". A person could be given a "general discharge"...for let us say...a "hardship" which will literally state "honorable conditions". An "Honorable Discharge" is a totally different document and is given when all contractual obligations have been honorably full filled...and your term of service is up. It would be interesting to know if President Bush actually received an "Honorable Discharge" or a "general discharge" under honorable conditions.
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                                                                                                                  • mardigras
                                                                                                                    Bon temps!
                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                    • 14194
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                    It would be interesting to know if President Bush actually received an "Honorable Discharge" or a "general discharge" under honorable conditions.
                                                                                                                    I thought this whole discussion was how GW could have gotten an Honorable Discharge. If he didn't I'll quit trying to post benefits of the doubt
                                                                                                                    .

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                                                                                                                      • theking
                                                                                                                        Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 21053
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                        I thought this whole discussion was how GW could have gotten an Honorable Discharge. If he didn't I'll quit trying to post benefits of the doubt
                                                                                                                        I personally do not know if he received an "Honorable Discharge" or a "general discharge" under honorable conditions...or if his proponents are aware of the distinction.

                                                                                                                        BTW I received more than one honorable discharge with my last discharge in '92 being a "general discharge" for medical reasons and under honorable conditions.
                                                                                                                        Last edited by theking; 09-09-2004, 12:10 PM.
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                                                                                                                          • trouserrat
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                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                            • 324
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by CraigA
                                                                                                                            Voted on it based on false information, bad intelliegence and outright lies.
                                                                                                                            I might have voted for it too based on the cover story they were promoting.
                                                                                                                            If all the information has been proved to be false, lies, discredited, etc. then why does John Kerry say he still would have authorized Bush to move ahead if asked to do it today? So much for your propagandist bullshit.

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                                                                                                                              • squeezeboobs
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                                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                • 887
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                that we're glad we don't live in your deluded fantasy land?

                                                                                                                                What? Isn't this all true?
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                                                                                                                                  • rett11
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                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by trouserrat
                                                                                                                                    If all the information has been proved to be false, lies, discredited, etc. then why does John Kerry say he still would have authorized Bush to move ahead if asked to do it today? So much for your propagandist bullshit.
                                                                                                                                    He said he would still authorize it because the dems are afraid of looking like wimps. In reality, I truly doubt he would've supported it.
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                                                                                                                                      • trouserrat
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                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by rett11
                                                                                                                                        He said he would still authorize it because the dems are afraid of looking like wimps. In reality, I truly doubt he would've supported it.
                                                                                                                                        So I guess Kerry's lying about saying he'd still support it then if in fact, with your mind reading capabilities, you've determined he actually *wouldn't* support it. Either way, I personally wouldn't want someone as president who's afraid to makes a decision because he's afraid of looking like "anything", wimp or otherwise. But I know, I know, you guys have an answer for everything.

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                                                                                                                                          • genomega
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                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 1190
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
                                                                                                                                            All these 'missing' memos are coming out of the woodwork. While the Pentagon destroyed Bush's records, they forgot to destroy the records of his superiors which rebutt W's states that he served honorably. Several superiors note major political pressure to give him good marks, etc. It also turns out that he had committed to a final 7 months with a unit in Boston and W never reported.

                                                                                                                                            It looks like multiple AWOLs with a desertion.
                                                                                                                                            Heh, the press pulled the same crap 4 years ago and it helped bush. Kerry supporters bad mouthing bush are a dime a dozen.
                                                                                                                                            The left wingers along with cbs news are in a panic.

                                                                                                                                            Remember Richard Clarke and Joe Wilson both proven liars?




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