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  • Mr. Marks
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    #1

    Why the historical hate against Jews?

    Think about it. The more jews you have in your country, the more productive your country is. Proof?

    When Spain kicked out the Jews, Spain quickly went from one of the most vital new Euro city-states to a broke ass backwards country.

    When European countries expelled Jews in the Dark Ages, their economies quickly went to shit.

    Why are so many ethnicities antisemitic when it's clear that the more Jews your country has (except Israel due to security issues grappling with Arabs hell bent on your destruction), the more prosperous your country is?
  • Tempest
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    #2
    Don't know about 1000s of years ago, but in more recent time I think it was because they could lend money with interest and others couldn't. Thus they got rich. Or something like that.

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    • beergood
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      #3
      not sure why everyone hates the Jews. Wonder the same thing myself.
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      • Fake Nick
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        #4
        historically they are SNITCHES and no one likes a snitch

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        • Love Brokers
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          #5
          Originally posted by Tempest
          Don't know about 1000s of years ago, but in more recent time I think it was because they could lend money with interest and others couldn't. Thus they got rich. Or something like that.
          Where as non Jews, i.e. the Jentiles, believed it was best to "help" your fellow man with a loan, interest free. One should not gain wealth from another in need.
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          • Mr. Marks
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            #6
            Originally posted by Tempest
            Don't know about 1000s of years ago, but in more recent time I think it was because they could lend money with interest and others couldn't. Thus they got rich. Or something like that.
            Which they then reinvested in the local economy.

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            • Mr. Marks
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              #7
              Originally posted by Love Brokers
              Where as non Jews, i.e. the Jentiles, believed it was best to "help" your fellow man with a loan, interest free. One should not gain wealth from another in need.
              Adam Smith wrote (paraphrasing):

              The guy who grew wheat or milled it and put it on your table DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK whether you live or die... all he cares about is that he GOT PAID.

              That's the fundamental law of any economic system--Self-Interest. Anything else will FAIL. Socialism and Communism failed because they imagined that Man is basically Good and is altruistic... bullshit. Same type of bullshit that undergirds the logic of the anti-usury laws (famously promulgated by the Catholic Church during the Dark Ages) which led to economic decay.

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              • Mr. Marks
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                #8
                Originally posted by Fake Nick
                historically they are SNITCHES and no one likes a snitch
                Who did they snitch to?

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                • Goatse
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                  By being a wandering tribe without a homeland, generally refusing to assimilate, keeping their own religion, retaining their culture, and choosing to mate amongst their own kind, they were seen as outsiders. Furthermore, by practicing usury and despoiling entire villages of their land and money, they attracted quite a bit of antagonism.

                  More recently, some have grown tired of the Jewish double-speak: on one hand, they support ethnic nationalism for themselves (Israel); on the other hand, they try to oppose ethnic nationalism for people of European descent.

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                  • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                    #10
                    Topic: Why the historical hate against Jews?



                    I think the main reason for the hatred is because a lot of jews tend to be "jewish."

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                    • -HF
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by papichulo
                      Think about it. The more jews you have in your country, the more productive your country is. Proof?

                      When Spain kicked out the Jews, Spain quickly went from one of the most vital new Euro city-states to a broke ass backwards country.

                      When European countries expelled Jews in the Dark Ages, their economies quickly went to shit.

                      Why are so many ethnicities antisemitic when it's clear that the more Jews your country has (except Israel due to security issues grappling with Arabs hell bent on your destruction), the more prosperous your country is?

                      you might be on to something there. could you show some backup for the economical declines you refer to?

                      preferably a before - after comparison.
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                      • Odin
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                        #12
                        When Hitler kicked the Jews out of Germany prior/during WWII the economy went way way up. Keep in mind this is even before they started waging war.
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                        • polish_aristocrat
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                          Apart form the old religious or current political reeasons....hm...if anything, i'd say Jews are vieved as people who consider themselves 'chosen' or 'superior' or they think they deserve a special treatment because of Holocaust.

                          That's probably why not eveyone likes them.
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                          • Nanda
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by papichulo
                            Think about it. The more jews you have in your country, the more productive your country is. Proof?

                            When Spain kicked out the Jews, Spain quickly went from one of the most vital new Euro city-states to a broke ass backwards country.

                            When European countries expelled Jews in the Dark Ages, their economies quickly went to shit.

                            Why are so many ethnicities antisemitic when it's clear that the more Jews your country has (except Israel due to security issues grappling with Arabs hell bent on your destruction), the more prosperous your country is?
                            Spain was intimidated with how rich the Jews were.
                            Spain kicked most out, the one's who didn't left were forced to convert to christianity. The one's who refused to convert, were tortured to death......The Spanish Inquisition was ruthless, and beyond horrible.
                            Regardless, once they converted to christianity, they were still prosperous...then they found ways to kill them b/c they were't true catholics!
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                            • Corleone
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                              • directfiesta
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                                Maybe because of this ?
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                                • Paul Markham
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                                  #17
                                  T%he Muslims hate them because God told them to march into Palestine and kill the people there. They have been carrying it out recently.

                                  The Christians don't like them becasue while Peter was in Rome coverting people Jews were back in Palestine killing Roman soldiers. He seperated his message from the Jews and blamed as much as he could on them.

                                  Beginning of Anti Semitism.



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                                  • alexg
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by charly
                                    T%he Muslims hate them because God told them to march into Palestine and kill the people there. They have been carrying it out recently.
                                    Are you sure that's what god told them? you should read the jewish bible or some history books for that matter.

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                                    • alexg
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                      Apart form the old religious or current political reeasons....hm...if anything, i'd say Jews are vieved as people who consider themselves 'chosen' or 'superior' or they think they deserve a special treatment because of Holocaust.

                                      That's probably why not eveyone likes them.
                                      I didn't know that independence in the jewish home land since 2000 years back is considered special treatment

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                                      • pure energy
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                                        Are they the chosen people and we Gentiles by God's grace. Ya I think
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                                        • p3rsian
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                                          #21
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                                          • strats
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                                            #22
                                            simple: they invented handouts and forged it as natural behaviour. also because they were bible thumpers and some dude was like, "uh", so now we hate

                                            history 101 -durrrrrrrrr

                                            o wait. should I let the masses be stupid and retarded? or should I actually put some effort into this thing.
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                                            • reynold
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by charly
                                              T%he Muslims hate them because God told them to march into Palestine and kill the people there. They have been carrying it out recently.

                                              The Christians don't like them becasue while Peter was in Rome coverting people Jews were back in Palestine killing Roman soldiers. He seperated his message from the Jews and blamed as much as he could on them.

                                              Beginning of Anti Semitism.
                                              Peter went to Rome? I thought that was St. Paul?

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                                              • spamofon
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
                                                Topic: Why the historical hate against Jews?



                                                I think the main reason for the hatred is because a lot of jews tend to be "jewish."

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                                                • Linguist
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                                                  #25
                                                  Reason is that the typical jew will expect you to do something for him, then take it as a granted, then turn around and make it seem like you actually owe something to him.

                                                  Like here in Canada, they come here, bring all their relatives, try to cheat the system by saying that their families are refugees, and once investigated, they cry how the Canadian system is opressing them. Just one of many examples.

                                                  alexg: no one's saying that it's wrong to have own country. You're a nationalist and I respect that.
                                                  It's fundamental in jewish religion that they are "god's chosen people" aka superior to other nations.

                                                  But isn't it hypocritical that they expect people from other countries to not be nationalistic?
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                                                  • polish_aristocrat
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by alexg
                                                    I didn't know that independence in the jewish home land since 2000 years back is considered special treatment
                                                    I wasn't talking about my feelings and I wasn't talking about that situation too.

                                                    Just general why i think *some* people don't like Jews.
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                                                    • flashfreak
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                                                      #27
                                                      back in 1900 the jews bankrupted all the local guilds.
                                                      they were making the same biz but selling for half the money, then when the guilds bankrupted (after 6-8 months) they increased the prices 5-6 times...
                                                      there was an uprising in 1907 against them, ppl didn't make enough money to pay their bank debts because of the jews. for example they were increasing the interrest rate when the harvest was good ... ppl had to sell their lands to live (at very low sums of course), basically the jews transformed the local ppl into slaves in their own country. later a "historian" with jewish roots said the uprising was against the local nobility - this is what our childs are learning in schools now.
                                                      they also leaded the local banking system to failure in 30's.

                                                      oh, don't forget the communism, they invented it too ...
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                                                      • TheWildcard
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                                                        #28
                                                        I love jews

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                                                        • TIMZIM
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Chief
                                                          When Hitler kicked the Jews out of Germany prior/during WWII the economy went way way up. Keep in mind this is even before they started waging war.
                                                          Hitler kicked the jews out of Germany ???

                                                          Due to his sick and fanatic hate more than 6 million jews got killed !!

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                                                          • palladin
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                                                            I can't believe the historical ignorance and simple stupidity expressed by some people in this thread. Hitler didn't kick out the jews - he murdered them wholesale. men women, kids, young and old. Anyone who can justify this with any argument, never mind an economic one, isnt worth talking to. The jews have been a convenient group to turn public resentment against for political ends throughout History. And before you ask, no I'm not.

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                                                            • Goatse
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by palladin
                                                              I can't believe the historical ignorance and simple stupidity expressed by some people in this thread. Hitler didn't kick out the jews - he murdered them wholesale.
                                                              The poster said prior to WWII. He is partly correct. There were no mass killings of Jews in Germany prior to WWII, and hundreds of thousands did leave the country due to the restrictive Nuremberg Laws passed in 1935, stripping them of their citizenship and forbidding them from practicing law, journalism, teaching, etc. It was a period during which Germany did thrive, as he stated. It wouldn't last for long, however...

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                                                              • chodadog
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                                                                #32
                                                                Money.

                                                                Christians and Muslims have long held the belief that lending money and charging interest was wrong. The Jews disagreed. Lending money for profit was considered a dirty business. This is where all the stereotypes about jews being greedy misers stem from.

                                                                I'm pretty sure that Muslim banks (or at least the majority of them) even to this day do not pay or charge interest.
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                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by alexg
                                                                  Are you sure that's what god told them? you should read the jewish bible or some history books for that matter.
                                                                  Without a bible by my hand I'm sure it says in the Old Testament
                                                                  God told them to go to the land of the Cannites and kill all there.

                                                                  You go find it. But I'm pretty sure it's something close to that.

                                                                  I didn't know that independence in the jewish home land since 2000 years back is considered special treatment
                                                                  And who cares about the people who were already living there. These Europeans turned up and decided it was their homeland and the Palestinians who lived there, well who cares about them?



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                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by reynold
                                                                    Peter went to Rome? I thought that was St. Paul?
                                                                    No it was Peter, hence St Peters square in the Vatican.



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                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Goatse
                                                                      The poster said prior to WWII. He is partly correct. There were no mass killings of Jews in Germany prior to WWII, and hundreds of thousands did leave the country due to the restrictive Nuremberg Laws passed in 1935, stripping them of their citizenship and forbidding them from practicing law, journalism, teaching, etc. It was a period during which Germany did thrive, as he stated. It wouldn't last for long, however...
                                                                      This is true, Hitler was trying to get rid of them by exporting them.

                                                                      I think the US was very restrictive about the numbers it let in. Once the war started the emmigration stopped.



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                                                                      • directfiesta
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by charly

                                                                        I think the US was very restrictive about the numbers it let in. Once the war started the emmigration stopped.
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                                                                        US people her have an idealistic image of their country. Since they are young and learned no history, they believe that crap...
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                                                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                        • alexg
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by charly
                                                                          Without a bible by my hand I'm sure it says in the Old Testament
                                                                          God told them to go to the land of the Cannites and kill all there.

                                                                          You go find it. But I'm pretty sure it's something close to that.

                                                                          And who cares about the people who were already living there. These Europeans turned up and decided it was their homeland and the Palestinians who lived there, well who cares about them?
                                                                          The jews GOT BACK to the land from which they were kicked out 2000 years ago...

                                                                          they had rights over this land, and the UN acknowledged these rights.
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                                                                          • QuaWee
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                                                                            Stop bitching, history isnt respectful to Native Americans and other groups
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                                                                            • excitica
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              It's just a question about a power and money - they have a money and want to have a power. Other who don't have a money hate jews - it's simple.
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                                                                              • Mr. Marks
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by charly
                                                                                No it was Peter, hence St Peters square in the Vatican.
                                                                                By that same logic, St Paul visited London cuz London has the historic St. Paul Cathedral designed by Christopher Wren? I don't think so.

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                                                                                • reynold
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by excitica
                                                                                  It's just a question about a power and money - they have a money and want to have a power. Other who don't have a money hate jews - it's simple.
                                                                                  you couldn't sum it all up that easily. it's an interplay of all the factors not just power nad money.

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                                                                                  • slavdogg
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by charly


                                                                                    And who cares about the people who were already living there. These Europeans turned up and decided it was their homeland and the Palestinians who lived there, well who cares about them?
                                                                                    there IS no such thing as Palestinians or Palestine
                                                                                    They are ARABS
                                                                                    in the little piece of land now called Israel there was always Jews, Christians and some arabs living there prior to 20th century

                                                                                    when Israel declared its Independents, they did not kick arabs out, they did not force arabs out.... neighboring countries, Jordan, Egypt, Syria told arabs to leave.

                                                                                    while Jews that lived in arab countries like Iraq and Iran and others were forced to leave, kicked out from their homes
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