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no doubtsOriginally posted by loverboy
you may want to include in the list the number of lives and amount of money lost in the War in Iraq
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Even if that estimate is valid (it may be over, or under, estimating), remember that Bush himself claimed that his tax cuts would produce 300,000+ jobs every month from the inception of the cuts until the end of 2004.Originally posted by WarChild
Estimated number of jobs lost in lower Manhattan area following 9/11: 100,000
Number of jobs it has been estimated will be lost in the US as result of the attacks by the end of 2002: 1.8m
Number of jobs lost in US travel industry in last 5 months of 2001: 237,000
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waron...776451,00.html
That's 337,000 in Lower Manhattan area and travel industry alone.
Surely there must be more.
Here's the data on how well he's been able to fulfill on that promise:
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Quite frankly, I find someone invoking 9-11 as the reason behind every failure of policy cowardly and insincere. These are numbers laid out by Bush when the white house, the senate AND congress are all controlled by republicans. If you can't come through on your promises when there's no major obstacles to doing so, then those promises are obviously bogus.
Not only has he failed to live up to his country's expectations, he's failed to live up to his own.~
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http://www.georgewbush.com - check out the part where he says he will make it more economical to manufactor in america...Originally posted by Centurion
He should do exactly what Kerry is proposing..to make it MORE economical for jobs to STAY in the U.S. due to tax incentives for business.
But as usual, Bush is much more caught up in the Iraqi war to really even come up with any economic policy for our country except TAX CUTS!IcooCash - DVD Content for your TGP
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It's a fact 1 million jobs were lost in the month after 911...Originally posted by Centurion
Throw in the INTEREST you have to pay on the deficit and you'll see why they say we are "mortgaging" our childrens' futures.
And I don't know where you got the 1 million jobs lost from 9/11. Would love to see your source on that one.IcooCash - DVD Content for your TGP
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Ok, here is something to chew on about issues... On how its easy to promise...
Kerry last night in his speech threw all 3 of these at the people.... 1.) He is going to provide healthcare to everyone 2.) Tax Cuts for the Middle Class 3.) He then bitched about the current Adminstration Deficit
Now I don't know the details of his health care plan or his tax increase on the top 2%... But, something does not add up to me..IcooCash - DVD Content for your TGP
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You mean the 10% that actually pays taxes.Originally posted by Centurion
The recession was made WORSE by Bush's tax cuts. WHO gives money back to the richest 10% of the country when we can't finance even some of the most basic programs in our country?
And the attack on NYC was 3 years ago! You are still going to argue that the loss in jobs that numbers a million are so are STILL due to 9/11???
Do not start this rant about tax cuts for the 'rich'. Until you start paying in excess of $100K a year, you have no right to point fingers on tax issues.Comment
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Originally posted by piker
Ok, here is something to chew on about issues... On how its easy to promise...
Kerry last night in his speech threw all 3 of these at the people.... 1.) He is going to provide healthcare to everyone 2.) Tax Cuts for the Middle Class 3.) He then bitched about the current Adminstration Deficit
Now I don't know the details of his health care plan or his tax increase on the top 2%... But, something does not add up to me..
The other issue is, he assumes everyone wants his health insurance. I do not want ANYTHING paid for by the government. They have proven time and time again, to be the biggest wasters of money.
They will give me health care, which I don't want, and then raise my taxes another 10%.
Fuck them.Comment
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I'm sure you'll let us all know when you've finished paving that section of highway, hired your personal police officer, opened up your own courthouse, equipped your own millitia...Originally posted by davidd
The other issue is, he assumes everyone wants his health insurance. I do not want ANYTHING paid for by the government. They have proven time and time again, to be the biggest wasters of money.
They will give me health care, which I don't want, and then raise my taxes another 10%.
Fuck them.
Taxes are the dues you pay to live in a free society that protects you and provides a framework for commerce and law. Saying that you don't want to pay taxes is saying that you want to exploit all those services that everyone's paid for without giving back your fair share. It's unpatriotic, it's not fair, and it's just plain wrong.~
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Well, this was written in 8/2002 and was an ESTIMATION of what they THOUGHT would happen in the FUTURE.Originally posted by WarChild
Estimated number of jobs lost in lower Manhattan area following 9/11: 100,000
Number of jobs it has been estimated will be lost in the US as result of the attacks by the end of 2002: 1.8m
Number of jobs lost in US travel industry in last 5 months of 2001: 237,000
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waron...776451,00.html
That's 337,000 in Lower Manhattan area and travel industry alone.
Surely there must be more.
I'd rather stick to CURRENT stats.
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WHY HASN'T HE ALREADY DONE THIS THEN?Originally posted by piker
http://www.georgewbush.com - check out the part where he says he will make it more economical to manufactor in america...
And he doesn't give ANY specifics. Pretty important on policy matters.Comment
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For how long? A couple of months until the offices lost in the trade towers got relocated and new people were hired to kill those in the towers?Originally posted by piker
It's a fact 1 million jobs were lost in the month after 911...
This is a NON-ENTITY figure being thrown around of "1 million jobs lost due to 9/11". It was nothing more than speculation.
Man..if you pubes didn't have 9/11 as a fall back for EVERY argument (Iraq, the Economy, health care, etc), you'd have NOTHING to stand on would ya?Comment
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Dude..you've already LOST this argument if you're talking about MY earnings!Originally posted by davidd
You mean the 10% that actually pays taxes.
Do not start this rant about tax cuts for the 'rich'. Until you start paying in excess of $100K a year, you have no right to point fingers on tax issues.
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Great! Give it to someone in Brooklyn then..there will be no shortage of takers!Originally posted by davidd
The other issue is, he assumes everyone wants his health insurance. I do not want ANYTHING paid for by the government. They have proven time and time again, to be the biggest wasters of money.
They will give me health care, which I don't want, and then raise my taxes another 10%.
Fuck them.Comment
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Uh... I think you meant to say "to replace those killed". Unless you know something I don't.Originally posted by Centurion
For how long? A couple of months until the offices lost in the trade towers got relocated and new people were hired to kill those in the towers?~
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Originally posted by rickholio
Uh... I think you meant to say "to replace those killed". Unless you know something I don't. Some of the best messages happen when the hands typing are WAY faster than the brain.
Thanks for pointing that out.Comment
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