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LOLOriginally posted by punkworld
Spamming is probably the worst form of destruction of capital online.
I believe the average person who works with computers spends about 5 minutes a day looking through and deleting spam. Now, that doesn't seem like a lot, does it?
Let's say there are about 50 million people in the US working with computers (a fairly realistic, maybe even low estimate). In that case, spam costs ~4.2 million work hours a day. At an average of $15 per hour, that's $62,500,000 per day.
Assuming an average of a 5 day work week and 48 weeks of work a year, email spamming adds up to an economic damage of about $15 billion a year in the US alone.
And that's just a small part of the damage spam does. It also has direct effects like diminished consumer trust regarding the internet, actually scaring people away from the internet, etc. The internet as a business tool has been greatly damaged by spam and crap like it.
While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:
Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.
I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.Last edited by stocktrader23; 09-02-2004, 04:27 AM.
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haha, agreed. and i don't even like spam...Originally posted by stocktrader23
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While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:
Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.
I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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There is one big difference: spam costs time when people are working. It's actual work-time, people don't do it during (actual or self-appointed) breaks, and it is perceived as work... and rightly so.Originally posted by stocktrader23
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While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:
Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.
I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.
Spam doesn't cause more inefficiency in workers, it raises the workload. The difference between the two is rather essential.../(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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people also surf porn while they should be working. in fact, it's an epidemic problem in many large companies. these people should be working. productivity quickly going to shit!Originally posted by punkworld
There is one big difference: spam costs time when people are working. It's actual work-time, people don't do it during (actual or self-appointed) breaks, and it is perceived as work... and rightly so.
Spam doesn't cause more inefficiency in workers, it raises the workload. The difference between the two is rather essential...we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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I don't think the internet has much to do with the lack of productivity in workers. If workers are not constantly watched, they'll generally only spend 50-75% of the time working, and they'll just waste the rest of the time any way they can. Could be talking with co-workers, playing solitaire on the computer, staring out the window, staring at some secretary's boobs - the "how" isn't all that important.Originally posted by quiet
people also surf porn while they should be working. in fact, it's an epidemic problem in many large companies. these people should be working. productivity quickly going to shit!
What that phenomenon does do is make the time they do spend working even more valuable
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there is no money in spam
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lol, spam in different forms can be ok... I never did get into email spam, some people convert well with it but the way they do it requires a lot of effort to keep it working right... The actual funny thing is when a sponsors legit email gets put in the spam folder, thats the part that always makes me laugh.Today is a strange day, I think
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Originally posted by nofx
how are spammers 'fucking over' other human beings? its an email, its not even a tangible object. how can you fuck over people with it? you click delete or the email gets filtered before you even see it.
explain..
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you are serious 2, sadOriginally posted by jacobt
I really don't see how you could say that spam was/is fucking the internet over. If anything it helped fuel the growth of bandwidth that people have to play with these days - not to mention the huge industry that anti-spam software has become now.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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so true.....Originally posted by stocktrader23
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While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:
Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.
I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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i can deal with spam untill time stands still, its the spyware thats the killer.
its not me who gets it, like most of you guys, i know how to avoid it. its the other people in my life that know ive got a job on a computer who natrually think im mr fix it. 90% of there problems are spy ware. i went over to my girls mothers house and ran adware, she had over 80k diff kinds of spyware on her computer.want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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I think spam is not great in itself, but that is basically one of my points from earlier. EVERY persons house I go to and go on their computer they are infested with junk EVERYWHERE. I literally can not understand how they would even bother turning their computer on. They can't navigate the net, there is annoying flashing search bars, popups every few secnds, etc etc.Originally posted by brand0n
i can deal with spam untill time stands still, its the spyware thats the killer.
its not me who gets it, like most of you guys, i know how to avoid it. its the other people in my life that know ive got a job on a computer who natrually think im mr fix it. 90% of there problems are spy ware. i went over to my girls mothers house and ran adware, she had over 80k diff kinds of spyware on her computer.
But regardless of the difference between the two, spam and spyware is fucking other people over for the purpose of simply making yourself money, and no matter what people say a good 90% would jump on a spyware deal if they thought it would make them enough cash (same with spam - except that is possibly closer to 100%). Being poor sucks, building TGP's all day and making fuck all sucks too. I guess that is what makes these options so enticing, but where does it stop.Last edited by Odin88; 09-02-2004, 06:57 AM.Comment
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spammings in my blood like a flood it succumbs me
numbs me
to the rest of the world
everytime i try to get away
the next day it comes callin
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spam is holy
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do the means getting to the end justify themself?
ethics wont help your mortgage payments
ethics car wont help your car payments
that being said. EVERYONE SPAMS SOMETHING
they spam sigs
they spam links
they spam emailsSomeone finds you...
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PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.Comment
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But there is a difference in saying that. How can the means justify the end? You are screwing around other people in order to justify your end. It is a leader of a nation invading another nation and killing people to make himself rich - do the means justify the end? On the other hand if he invaded that nation in order to truly help the people out and ultimately save that nation, than that is a different story. Just more food for thought, and no that example has nothing to do with Bush.Originally posted by chowda
do the means getting to the end justify themself?
ethics wont help your mortgage payments
ethics car wont help your car payments
that being said. EVERYONE SPAMS SOMETHING
they spam sigs
they spam links
they spam emailsComment
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are u really screwing ppl over?Originally posted by Odin88
But there is a difference in saying that. How can the means justify the end? You are screwing around other people in order to justify your end. It is a leader of a nation invading another nation and killing people to make himself rich - do the means justify the end? On the other hand if he invaded that nation in order to truly help the people out and ultimately save that nation, than that is a different story. Just more food for thought, and no that example has nothing to do with Bush.
id like to think that selling them dreams is something good.
who knows, maybe the placebo effect will happen.
besides.. lookin at porn is not screwing around other ppl. thats the job of bad pornsites with heavy xsales.Someone finds you...
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PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.Comment
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It depends really. I am not trying to dramatise what it is, but I am suggesting that it isn't a nice was to earn a living. I mean if you are spamming Joe's Environmental Yahoogroup, yeah you're screwing people around.Originally posted by chowda
are u really screwing ppl over?
id like to think that selling them dreams is something good.
who knows, maybe the placebo effect will happen.
besides.. lookin at porn is not screwing around other ppl. thats the job of bad pornsites with heavy xsales.Comment
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You know, in this day and age, people need to look up for themselves. So many ethical considerations will only slow you down. While you care about others, others do not give a flying fuck and hardly appreciatte it.Originally posted by Odin88
But there is a difference in saying that. How can the means justify the end? You are screwing around other people in order to justify your end. It is a leader of a nation invading another nation and killing people to make himself rich - do the means justify the end? On the other hand if he invaded that nation in order to truly help the people out and ultimately save that nation, than that is a different story. Just more food for thought, and no that example has nothing to do with Bush.
I draw a line here:
1.- I do not do to others, what I do not want others do onto me.
2.- I respect the law.
Other than that I will use any means possible to achieve my goal. Once I started to see things this way, my decisions are very eeeeaaaasy.
I care only about me, my family, friends, and close business associates. The rest can go fuck and take care of themselves.
My only concern with spam is that I would not like my children to receive sick stuff or any kind of porn in their email. So I do not do it.Comment
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You know, I am with you. But still, doesn't that say something for our society and humanity as a whole?Originally posted by Praguer
You know, in this day and age, people need to look up for themselves. So many ethical considerations will only slow you down. While you care about others, others do not give a flying fuck and hardly appreciatte it.
I draw a line here:
1.- I do not do to others, what I do not want others do onto me.
2.- I respect the law.
Other than that I will use any means possible to achieve my goal. Once I started to see things this way, my decisions are very eeeeaaaasy.
I care only about me, my family, friends, and close business associates. The rest can go fuck and take care of themselves.
My only concern with spam is that I would not like my children to receive sick stuff or any kind of porn in their email. So I do not do it.Comment
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good postComment
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That's the funniest excuse for scamming I've ever seen. It's also one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.Originally posted by chowda
are u really screwing ppl over?
id like to think that selling them dreams is something good.
who knows, maybe the placebo effect will happen./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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No, it doesn't. It says something about the people who actually adhere to such standards, namely that they are not to be trusted.Originally posted by Odin88
You know, I am with you. But still, doesn't that say something for our society and humanity as a whole?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Well he was a bit harsh with regards to his 'fuck everyone except my family', but other than that you better watch your back. I guarantee you couldn't trust 95% of GFY (based on your assumptions) if they where given a chance.Originally posted by punkworld
No, it doesn't. It says something about the people who actually adhere to such standards, namely that they are not to be trusted.Comment
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to each their own.Originally posted by punkworld
That's the funniest excuse for scamming I've ever seen. It's also one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
im sorry, how do u sell porn again? u never offered surfers something that is unrealistic to them?Someone finds you...
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PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.Comment
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I doubt that. I believe I am not the only person here who would never deliberately screw someone over.Originally posted by Odin88
Well he was a bit harsh with regards to his 'fuck everyone except my family', but other than that you better watch your back. I guarantee you couldn't trust 95% of GFY (based on your assumptions) if they where given a chance./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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professional mass email marketing is funOriginally posted by Odin88
Well he was a bit harsh with regards to his 'fuck everyone except my family', but other than that you better watch your back. I guarantee you couldn't trust 95% of GFY (based on your assumptions) if they where given a chance.Comment
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I offer surfers access to porn sites, and use marketing talk that promotes the product but doesn't scam surfers.Originally posted by chowda
to each their own.
im sorry, how do u sell porn again? u never offered surfers something that is unrealistic to them?
I was specifically referring to the comment about the placebo effect you made though... that implicates selling stuff of which you know that it doesn't work./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Yeah, that is why I said 95% and not 100%. Do you honestly think a GFYer would turn down something that can earn them $XXX's a day without any real effort? You think too highly of people if you do. Personally, if you take such a product to someone who works a regular job, I think the ONLY real question you would receive from a good 80% of them when you offer it to them is "Is it legal?" Perhaps I think too poorly of people, but from my interaction with general working class folk, I know they'd all jump on it. Sad perhaps, but true.Originally posted by punkworld
I doubt that. I believe I am not the only person here who would never deliberately screw someone over.Comment
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Good words from Juicy himself. I can't be wrongOriginally posted by juicylinks
good post
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i skimmed through it ill read it all when i wake up lollOriginally posted by Odin88
Good words from Juicy himself. I can't be wrong
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How come your initial post makes a leap right from things like TGPing etc to "spamming"? It's like saying "I'm not making enough money working 40 hours a week, so I think I'll try bank robbing, what do you guys think?"
You skipped the most obvious answer of perfectly legal and legitimate email marketing.
The line between marketing and spamming is VERY oddly blurred here, right in the heart of the industry. It's very very strange to see such a misconception by the supposed experts.. very very strange indeed.
People do know that email marketing isn't automatically "spam", don't they? One is legal, the other is not. The differences are super clear. No fake headers, no spoofed IP's, physical address and phone number and functioning opt-out link. The sexually-explicit tag if your email contains such images. All simple for a legimate business to have in place.
So why jump to the illegal way before trying the right way?
Simple damn question.
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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juicy? lists? u? me? cyber?Originally posted by juicylinks
professional mass email marketing is funSomeone finds you...
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PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.Comment
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Actually I did a number of things. TGP's, galleries for a short while, SEO for quite a while and than I met a friend. I don't know if I classify it illegal, but I was offered to learn the tricks of the trade from a guy in the know and for free so I did just that.Originally posted by Tom_PM
How come your initial post makes a leap right from things like TGPing etc to "spamming"? It's like saying "I'm not making enough money working 40 hours a week, so I think I'll try bank robbing, what do you guys think?"
You skipped the most obvious answer of perfectly legal and legitimate email marketing.
The line between marketing and spamming is VERY oddly blurred here, right in the heart of the industry. It's very very strange to see such a misconception by the supposed experts.. very very strange indeed.
People do know that email marketing isn't automatically "spam", don't they? One is legal, the other is not. The differences are super clear. No fake headers, no spoofed IP's, physical address and phone number and functioning opt-out link. The sexually-explicit tag if your email contains such images. All simple for a legimate business to have in place.
So why jump to the illegal way before trying the right way?
Simple damn question.Comment
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In my own experience, simply offering people trust, reliability and a helping hand when they need one works wonders.Originally posted by Odin88
Yeah, that is why I said 95% and not 100%. Do you honestly think a GFYer would turn down something that can earn them $XXX's a day without any real effort? You think too highly of people if you do. Personally, if you take such a product to someone who works a regular job, I think the ONLY real question you would receive from a good 80% of them when you offer it to them is "Is it legal?" Perhaps I think too poorly of people, but from my interaction with general working class folk, I know they'd all jump on it. Sad perhaps, but true.Last edited by Libertine; 09-02-2004, 08:03 AM./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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It says a lot indeed.Originally posted by Odin88
You know, I am with you. But still, doesn't that say something for our society and humanity as a whole?
The problem is that people do not see "VALUES" as something important anymore. Money come first to anything and everything.
While there are few others with ethical considerations like you and well defined limits like myself, the great-vast majority of people, would not even think for a second before doing something to make a buck in spite of going against their values and beliefs. Given of course, they have any at all.Comment
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Well if it complies with the can-spam law, then it's not "spam"Originally posted by Odin88
Actually I did a number of things. TGP's, galleries for a short while, SEO for quite a while and than I met a friend. I don't know if I classify it illegal, but I was offered to learn the tricks of the trade from a guy in the know and for free so I did just that. It's email marketing.
Chat services are another thing. No clue, wouldnt' touch it, period.
To answer the thread though, I would not spam, but I would email market like a mother fucker. Nothing, and I mean nothing wrong with it if done right.
You may run into host problems though, because some upstream providers dont care if you comply with every law on the books. Once they get complaints, they'll threaten your host and your host has no choice but to stop it. That (to me) is the real problem with these laws. They make it incumbent upon the complainer to attempt to opt out (which is as it should be!) but the people in control of the bandwidth aren't held to it whatsoever. If they say "jump" then your host has to jump.
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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if you say that spamming doesn't require any real efforts then YOU HAVE NO IDEA of what you are talking about,
in the old days - maybe, but definately not now,
to get decent money from spamming you need to invest A LOT first, you need to be smart and put lots of effort into it
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Spam sux
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man u must hit me up, im doing less thant 6figsOriginally posted by Darkystar
if you say that spamming doesn't require any real efforts then YOU HAVE NO IDEA of what you are talking about,
in the old days - maybe, but definately not now,
to get decent money from spamming you need to invest A LOT first, you need to be smart and put lots of effort into it
(decent money ~ 6 figs/mo)Someone finds you...
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PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.Comment
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spamming is bullshit, i would never do it.
i thought about putting together double opt in/4 free type programs but it would be too much hassle for me so i said fuck it.Comment
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no one here can start mailing if you new to it or never done it before, even if i give you free proxies/hosting you still will fail (99% of people will), so just move on and stick to submiting galleries hehComment
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spaming is bullshit ? you telling me you wouldn't spam if you could pull $500-1000 per day ?Originally posted by FlyingIguana
spamming is bullshit, i would never do it.
i thought about putting together double opt in/4 free type programs but it would be too much hassle for me so i said fuck it.Comment
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If you want to do it do it - if you don't want to do it don't do it but don't be a hypocrite by telling everybody you are a spammer but making anti spam statements all the time.
I get a few spam mails every day and I don't care, I also don't care about those retards who catch spyware/search bars/whatever but can't remove them.Fucking over some morons internet experience?Who cares, the net wasn't made for those people.
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spamming = most profitable business for us programmers
A. you can sell your software for a high price
B. you keep your software private and make all teh monies yourself
only limits is imagination
so my answer is yes of course id do it, anyone who needs a programmer do put their ideas to life.. im your guy
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Just for general information, www.AdminShop.com is run by both Odin and myself in a partnership, and the ICQ number provided on that site is mine, not his. Odin's ICQ is 344709237.
A bunch of people contacted me on ICQ believing I am Odin, so I felt I had to mention this.Comment
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You guys are selling a hitbot?Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Just for general information, www.AdminShop.com is run by both Odin and myself in a partnership, and the ICQ number provided on that site is mine, not his. Odin's ICQ is 344709237.
A bunch of people contacted me on ICQ believing I am Odin, so I felt I had to mention this.
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Huh?Ref spammer isn't a hitbot.Originally posted by punkworld
You guys are selling a hitbot?
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