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08-26-2004, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Yea ... I'm not saying nothing about the price . I'm just saying it was possible and is probably possible now if you are just a little bit original .

I think it's fairly easy to replicate a site like this one at way lower costs (and with better features/scripts):

Comus Thumbs - $195
TM3 - $395
Design - ~$200
100k feeder traffic - ~$800

That adds up to ~$1600, and is enough for anyone who can keep a site at 100k/day to get a site at 100k/day.

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08-26-2004, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Of course. There are two kinds of people, those who can build traffic and those who can convert it. Very few know both, mainly due to the fact that in order to become really good at either, you need to spend time practicing and that doesn't leave you time for the other. That being said, ANYONE can tweak sales pitches and experiment with traffic until it converts well. A lot fewer know how to generate traffic. Traffic is a comodity and a site with traffic should be treated as such. Again, those who know how to convert traffic should have no problem making back the price within a couple of months.

So you'd buy a new site with no indication of current income from an unknown person?
Could I interest you in becoming the new owner of a really nice bridge?

Originally posted by DamageX
Now, even with current income level unknown and no details about who actually owns the site, do you think recovering your investment in two months is a bad deal? Personally I think it's good as gold and if you show me another online or offline venture with the same payback possibilities, except for porn, I'd be happy to venture into it. My bet is you can't.

With current income level unknown, how would you know you'd recover your investment in 2 months?
Also, we still have the very real risk of traffic suddenly dying.

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08-26-2004, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
I think it's fairly easy to replicate a site like this one at way lower costs (and with better features/scripts):

Comus Thumbs - $195
TM3 - $395
Design - ~$200
100k feeder traffic - ~$800

That adds up to ~$1600, and is enough for anyone who can keep a site at 100k/day to get a site at 100k/day.

If it's so easy, then why aren't you doing it?

I'm happy that I'm helping you increase your postcount, but please refrain from making comments like that, unless you intend to actually back them up with hard evidence. Otherwise you'll just look like a pre-drivers ed scholar who's gonna bump into the very next tree the first time he sits down behind the wheel.

I grow sites like this for people and I've got A LOT of work. The ones who look for deals like this are interested in them because they either don't have time to build traffic or don't have the knowledge for it. And in the long run, the alternative cost for the time required to grow a site might just be higher than buying a ready one.

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08-26-2004, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
Also, we still have the very real risk of traffic suddenly dying.

Yeah, well, you might wanna start sleeping on the carpet, most people die in bed, so the risk for that is high.

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08-26-2004, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Now, even with current income level unknown and no details about who actually owns the site, do you think recovering your investment in two months is a bad deal? Personally I think it's good as gold and if you show me another online or offline venture with the same payback possibilities, except for porn, I'd be happy to venture into it. My bet is you can't.

So the current income level is unknown but you do know you can get an ROI after two months?

Is the site fed or not?

How much traffic is fed to the site

How much $ is spent on feeding the site (month)
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08-26-2004, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by notjoe
So the current income level is unknown but you do know you can get an ROI after two months?

Can you read? If so, did you read the whole post? I said "based on reports from my clients, a site like this makes around $2K/mo".

Originally posted by notjoe
Is the site fed or not?

How much traffic is fed to the site

How much $ is spent on feeding the site (month)

There is no traffic being fed to the site currently and there hasn't been any for a while. Of course, if you wish to buy it and start feeding it, then you'd be the one deciding on the amount of money to spend on that.

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08-26-2004, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
Let's compare it to bunnyteens:

Now look at the *relative* stability. Notice a difference? Ofcourse you do.

Obviously, alexa is grossly inaccurate. However, in this case it is confirming something that is already quite obvious: the site (still) needs feeder traffic to stay at it's current traffic level.

There's nothing wrong with raising sites on feeder traffic, getting them somewhat stable and then selling them, but in this case it really looks like all traffic could be gone in a day or two

Plus, if he created this site with the specific intent of selling it, it's kinda odd that he doesn't know what the site makes, and has set up the site in a way that it couldn't even be known.

Remember that Alexa graphs _rank_, not _traffic levels_

As you drop further in rank your site will shuffle around in rank more, since the number of sites with similar traffic to yours increases significantly.

Also, he said he's selling it for a friend. I would be in the same boat if I was selling a site - I run more than one, there is no accurate way to prove which sites the signups are coming from.
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08-26-2004, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
If it's so easy, then why aren't you doing it?

I'm not doing it right now because I prefer working on new, more profitable ideas, instead of doing what thousands have done already.
Yet another TGP with mediocre income and a crapload of semi-blind traffic. Whoop dee fucking doo.

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08-26-2004, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Yeah, well, you might wanna start sleeping on the carpet, most people die in bed, so the risk for that is high.

so by that statement r u guaranteeing that the traffic will stay at least 100K/day!??
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08-26-2004, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by rowan
Remember that Alexa graphs _rank_, not _traffic levels_

As you drop further in rank your site will shuffle around in rank more, since the number of sites with similar traffic to yours increases significantly.

Hey, thanks for clearing that up, I actually didn't know that myself. Will be great help in slapping smartasses upside the head every time the pull up that Alexa graph.

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08-26-2004, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
I'm not doing it right now because I prefer working on new, more profitable ideas, instead of doing what thousands have done already.
Yet another TGP with mediocre income and a crapload of semi-blind traffic. Whoop dee fucking doo.

So what the fuck do you care, then? Are you so much of a loser that you actually need the attention that a thread like this would get you? Whoop dee fucking doo.

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08-26-2004, 07:47 PM

stop shitting in his thread. you either want it or you dont. shut up and let the man get a buyer

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08-26-2004, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by sixxxthsense
so by that statement r u guaranteeing that the traffic will stay at least 100K/day!??

No, I'm not guaranteeing it. For all I know, the buyer will do his utmost to run it into the ground, how could I, or the owner, guarantee such a thing? But as long as the buyer doesn't try too hard to fuck it up, or anything uncontrollable happens, like a server crash, the traffic should stay thereabout.

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08-26-2004, 07:48 PM

Alexa is not a reliable source to gauge traffic levels.
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08-26-2004, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
I'm not doing it right now because I prefer working on new, more profitable ideas, instead of doing what thousands have done already.
Yet another TGP with mediocre income and a crapload of semi-blind traffic. Whoop dee fucking doo.

I've been lazy with my TGPs lately, traffic has fallen but I still make more than $2k a month from them. Some days I don't even load the trading script at all. The whole setup is about 95% automated.

TGP traffic is of much lower quality, definitely... but considering the amount of work I have to put into making the $ I'm not complaining.

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08-26-2004, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by QuaWee
stop shitting in his thread. you either want it or you dont. shut up and let the man get a buyer

It's OK man, I'm actually enjoying this. By making themselves look bad, they make me look damn good. Not to mention that they keep bumping the thread. Thanks, haters!

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08-26-2004, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
So what the fuck do you care, then? Are you so much of a loser that you actually need the attention that a thread like this would get you? Whoop dee fucking doo.

ur making ur self looking like an idiot by making stupid comments like that and insulting people on this board! Therefor u wont sell shit all!
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08-26-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by rowan
(newbie warning: don't expect you can do this from day 1 )

Nah, don't say that. Let them give it a go, buy the scripts, buy design, buy traffic. Then, when the feeder's gone and they're left with a 2K site, they'll hire me to grow it to 100K and wish they had done that from the very beginning. Not to mention that they'll have a lot more appreciation for my services, knowing that it's not actually such a piece of cake.

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08-26-2004, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by sixxxthsense
ur making ur self looking like an idiot by making stupid comments like that and insulting people on this board! Therefor u wont sell shit all!

This coming from the guy who can't even spell correctly.

BOO FUCKING HOO! Do you think for a second that a serious buyer would back out, just because I chose to flame someone who was doing nothing but stirring shit, in a thread where he had nothing to do to begin with? BUSINESSMEN do BUSINESS. Now swallow your pride and make a bid, you know it's a damn good deal!

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08-26-2004, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Nah, don't say that. Let them give it a go, buy the scripts, buy design, buy traffic. Then, when the feeder's gone and they're left with a 2K site, they'll hire me to grow it to 100K and wish they had done that from the very beginning. Not to mention that they'll have a lot more appreciation for my services, knowing that it's not actually such a piece of cake.

That's why it's so silly when people start posting "$x for trade script, $y for thumb script, $z for traffic" type analysis into a for sale thread.

Hey, did you know it works out much cheaper if I buy the materials and build my house myself? My builder must be ripping me off!
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08-26-2004, 07:59 PM

And here's a final thought for the thread:

The start of a site is the most labour-intensive period, and it's also the period which requires the most investments (scripts, feeder traffic).

Now, this site took ~2 months to build up. According to DamageX, it will take another ~2 months to make what they're selling it for. Why sell it then??
From a business point of view, that doesn't make any sense (unless maybe you're broke and need to make rent).
Also, since income mainly comes from sponsor hosted galleries, it's not really a matter of having skills to convert... it's more a matter of basic math.

I'm done with this. Ask the buyer to bump this thread with the results in two months, and if he's totally satisfied I'll gladly admit I was wrong

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08-26-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
So what the fuck do you care, then? Are you so much of a loser that you actually need the attention that a thread like this would get you? Whoop dee fucking doo.

Oh, I don't give a shit about your whole site, this is just entertainment for me

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08-26-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
And here's a final thought for the thread:

The start of a site is the most labour-intensive period, and it's also the period which requires the most investments (scripts, feeder traffic).

Now, this site took ~2 months to build up. According to DamageX, it will take another ~2 months to make what they're selling it for. Why sell it then??
From a business point of view, that doesn't make any sense (unless maybe you're broke and need to make rent).
Also, since income mainly comes from sponsor hosted galleries, it's not really a matter of having skills to convert... it's more a matter of basic math.

I'm done with this. Ask the buyer to bump this thread with the results in two months, and if he's totally satisfied I'll gladly admit I was wrong

I'm not gonna list the reasons the owner has for selling, because I don't know them, so I won't speculate.

I will, however, list the reasons why I build sites for others, instead of building them for myself, as I get the same question a lot.

For me, there are two reasons. First off, I get easily bored and I need to change projects often, otherwise I just run them into the ground. Second, compare the building for others versus building for yourself with promoting a per signup sponsor versus promoting a revshare one. With the per signup you get a nice chunk of cash up-front and nothing thereafter, while with the revshare one you get less up-front but you get to pocket the recurring. So in this case, it's all about the fast cash. I choose the money up-front and let my clients pocket the recurring, I'm happy, they're happy.

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08-26-2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
Oh, I don't give a shit about your whole site

At a certain point, I could've sworn you did.

Originally posted by punkworld
this is just entertainment for me

And for the rest of people reading your posts.

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08-26-2004, 08:17 PM

Trading scripts seem like a great way to get it started. I'm glad there are a few names of em in here

Seems extremely hard to put a price on this though. I could make a site and setup a shitty computer on my network to access the site 80,000 times a day.

I'm not making accusations, only observations.
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08-26-2004, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Kard63
Seems extremely hard to put a price on this though. I could make a site and setup a shitty computer on my network to access the site 80,000 times a day.

So could I, but then again, I'd be risking my reputation and all future business and profits in this industry. This isn't hitbot traffic we're talking about and anyone interested in purchasing the site will be given the chance to test this, if they want to.

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08-26-2004, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
So could I, but then again, I'd be risking my reputation and all future business and profits in this industry. This isn't hitbot traffic we're talking about and anyone interested in purchasing the site will be given the chance to test this, if they want to.

I have spoken, therefore you won't be selling it to anyone on this board. Sorry.

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08-26-2004, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
So could I, but then again, I'd be risking my reputation and all future business and profits in this industry. This isn't hitbot traffic we're talking about and anyone interested in purchasing the site will be given the chance to test this, if they want to.

All I said was it would be 'hard'. I'm sure an interested buyer will accept your offer to test it and everythign will be ok.
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08-26-2004, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by kmanrox
I have spoken, therefore you won't be selling it to anyone on this board. Sorry.

You need to get your head out of your ass. Sorry.

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08-26-2004, 08:30 PM

Bunch of fuckin idiots in this thread.
Why is it so hard to believe that a site can be grown 0-100k that fast? Cause you cant manage to break 10k?

punkworld, you are a genius, comparing a new site to BUNNYTEENS, one of the top 3 thumb sites that has been around forever and probably has over 100k of jus bookmarks. Maybe pull up madthumbs alexa and compare that too. Real smart.

DamageX makes good sites and does it fast.

This one is worth $2750 imho... if you dont sell it lemmie know on icq, I'll take it for $2250 not a penny more but good luck with the sale...

Dre should not be allowed to post in threads like this.... you are on a totally different scale man... these newbie tgp will never understand your skills (you worked with Jenny right?)

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08-26-2004, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha
punkworld, you are a genius, comparing a new site to BUNNYTEENS, one of the top 3 thumb sites that has been around forever and probably has over 100k of jus bookmarks. Maybe pull up madthumbs alexa and compare that too. Real smart.

I wasn't talking about amount of traffic but about relative traffic stability, and in response to rowan saying:

Try any other large site and you'll probably see a similar effect. (eg bunnyteens went +100% then -50% in a few days... do you really think his traffic doubled in that time?)

Now stop being an idiot.

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08-26-2004, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha
punkworld, you are a genius, comparing a new site to BUNNYTEENS, one of the top 3 thumb sites that has been around forever and probably has over 100k of jus bookmarks.

Bunnyteens is actually less than 2 years old, which makes his level of growth and overall stability even more impressive.
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08-26-2004, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha
DamageX makes good sites and does it fast.

This one is worth $2750 imho... if you dont sell it lemmie know on icq, I'll take it for $2250 not a penny more but good luck with the sale...

So you basically value the site about the same as I do, and think the price DamageX is stating is way overpriced? Great way to back him up dude

Also, what kind of sites DamageX makes and how fast he does it is pretty much irrelevant, since he didn't make this site but is just selling it for an anonymous friend.

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08-26-2004, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha
This one is worth $2750 imho... if you dont sell it lemmie know on icq, I'll take it for $2250 not a penny more but good luck with the sale...

Might be worth that to you, or anyone else who actually knows the ins and outs of growing a site. As Rowan said, building a house will cost you less if you do it yourself. On the other hand, hiring a professional to do it might actually cost you less, if you put a price tag on the time you'd need to build it yourself.

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08-26-2004, 08:43 PM

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08-26-2004, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
So you basically value the site about the same as I do, and think the price DamageX is stating is way overpriced? Great way to back him up dude

Yeah, kind of makes me wonder why he'd wanna sabotage the sale.

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08-26-2004, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Yeah, kind of makes me wonder why he'd wanna sabotage the sale.

I don't think he's trying to sabotage the sale, I think he sees the truth of the matter: for such a new site, which still seems fairly unstable, in the particular niche and without proven income, the price in your original post seems way too high.

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08-26-2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by punkworld
I don't think he's trying to sabotage the sale, I think he sees the truth of the matter: for such a new site, which still seems fairly unstable, in the particular niche and without proven income, the price in your original post seems way too high.

Dude, didn't you just see that he tried to push down the price, in order to benefit himself? Ask him if he'd sell a 100K site for $2750, he'd jump ten feet high. It's simple, he actually knows the value of the site and posts a low price to scare off buyers, so he can buy it himself for even less. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

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08-26-2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by DamageX
Dude, didn't you just see that he tried to push down the price, in order to benefit himself? Ask him if he'd sell a 100K site for $2750, he'd jump ten feet high. It's simple, he actually knows the value of the site and posts a low price to scare off buyers, so he can buy it himself for even less. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

There still is a difference between "a 100k site" and a newly grown 100k site with unknown income

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08-26-2004, 09:03 PM

I am not trying to sabotage this sale because I could not care less for another tgp. I have enough of my own traffic and other traffic that I control.

I am jus saying that $4000+ is too much for a new 100k thumb site. However, I am not saying that the site is a bad one.

If someone cant grow a site this big than they should dish out the cash and buy it. DamageX knows his stuff...

A fair price would be ~$3000 though.... cause $1000 PROFIT is a bit hard to pull off a site like that.
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08-26-2004, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by kmanrox
I have spoken, therefore you won't be selling it to anyone on this board. Sorry.

LOL
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08-26-2004, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Za Ha
A fair price would be ~$3000 though.... cause $1000 PROFIT is a bit hard to pull off a site like that.

May be for you, because you deal with traffic management. I have clients who routinely make better profit and they come back for more sites.

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08-26-2004, 09:09 PM

hey DamageX, add me to your ICQ

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08-26-2004, 09:20 PM

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hey DamageX, add me to your ICQ

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08-26-2004, 11:19 PM

You can spend all the money on scripts and bought traffic, but if you cant keep it stable.. then you just waisted your money.. and just for the record, 100k bought traffic doesn't mean 100k stable traffic.. [reality check]

A lot of you readers know what i'm talking about.. because you have tried it and it didnt work..

If DamageX is willing to let you test that the site is stable without feeder traffic... then wtf is the problem?

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08-26-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by bestwaysex
A lot of you readers know what i'm talking about.. because you have tried it and it didnt work..

You don't have to try it to understand the simple logic that non hitbot traffic doesn't generate itself.Without a constant feeder it won't work.
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08-28-2004, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by johndoebob
You don't have to try it to understand the simple logic that non hitbot traffic doesn't generate itself.Without a constant feeder it won't work.

Generally, people who don't know what they're talking about choose not to say anything, so that others can't see that they're stupid. Obviously, you chose to say something.

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If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!
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08-28-2004, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
I started schoolporn and the next day it was 50k ...

feed it traffic for 2-3 days, it hit 100k + .

It kept growing because the owner was doing the right thing ... without any traffic feeding .

Can you teach me how to do that? ......... no really

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08-28-2004, 01:48 AM
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08-28-2004, 01:57 AM

just out of curiousity....

what does one charge to grow a tgp to 100k?
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