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  • Choker
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 9024

    #1

    new 2257 info maybe

    I am being told that the DOJ is going to make the new regs effective ONLY for content shot after June 23rd 2005. Can anyone esle confirm this??
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  • llporter
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2005
    • 3221

    #2
    that would be great news

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    • NaughtyRob
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      • Nov 2004
      • 29602

      #3
      I cannot confirm it, but yes. I have heard the same thing.
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      • Titan
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        • Jun 2002
        • 994

        #4
        Errr.... didn't they already say that? I think it was DOJs reply to ambiguous definitions.
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        • Chio The Pirate
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          • Oct 2002
          • 946

          #5
          Originally posted by Choker
          I am being told that the DOJ is going to make the new regs effective ONLY for content shot after June 23rd 2005. Can anyone esle confirm this??

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          • Choker
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2001
            • 9024

            #6
            Originally posted by Titan
            Errr.... didn't they already say that? I think it was DOJs reply to ambiguous definitions.
            Yeah but do you have any links ? thanks
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            • Titan
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              • Jun 2002
              • 994

              #7
              I think it was an xbiz article. Can't find the link. I'm sure somebody can dig it up.
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              • Choker
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                • Apr 2001
                • 9024

                #8
                Come on, somebody has got to have a link
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                • DatingGold
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                  • Feb 2003
                  • 13185

                  #9
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                  • Hornydog4cooter
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 2859

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Choker
                    I am being told that the DOJ is going to make the new regs effective ONLY for content shot after June 23rd 2005. Can anyone esle confirm this??

                    Only problem i see with that is you still gotta produce docs to show it was shot before June 23 2005 or am i reading the post wrong?

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                    • tungsten
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                      • Mar 2004
                      • 10579

                      #11
                      that would be alot better!
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                      • seeric
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 41917

                        #12
                        wow. that would make sense for them to guarantee convictions on stuff done after the new regs went into effect. could be them playing the safe game and guaranteeing them some convictions. i have no knowledge of this, just an opinion.



                        especially if they are intending to enforce the "letter of the law" instead of what is normally enforced when it goes to trial in a lot of situations, which is the "spirit of the law"

                        if they really wanted to fuck with people, this would be a great foundation to lay .
                        Last edited by seeric; 07-26-2005, 06:55 PM.

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                        • Choker
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 9024

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hornydog4cooter
                          Only problem i see with that is you still gotta produce docs to show it was shot before June 23 2005 or am i reading the post wrong?
                          Well if it was produced before June 23 2005 then you don't have the secondary producer thing to worry about, this will be a clusterfuck I see
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                          • Expo_Vids
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 1162

                            #14
                            One of those attorneys you always read about on AVN told me that the entire secondary producer issue will be thrown out all together.

                            Hey, that's just what he told me. Not saying it is going to happen.
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                            • Hornydog4cooter
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 2859

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Choker
                              Well if it was produced before June 23 2005 then you don't have the secondary producer thing to worry about, this will be a clusterfuck I see

                              Yeap i agree a complete clusterfuck. I wish we could get some confirmation on this..........

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                              • NKYKev
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 283

                                #16
                                There was a recent article on avnonline.com discussing concessions by the DOJ; here is a link to the article in question.

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                                • TheDoc
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                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 13827

                                  #17
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                                  • pornguy
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                                    • Mar 2003
                                    • 62912

                                    #18
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                                    • Hornydog4cooter
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2005
                                      • 2859

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Expo_Vids
                                      One of those attorneys you always read about on AVN told me that the entire secondary producer issue will be thrown out all together.

                                      Hey, that's just what he told me. Not saying it is going to happen.

                                      And we were all told that everyone would be covered not just paided members....

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                                      • fusionx
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2003
                                        • 4618

                                        #20
                                        http://www.fight2257.com/fight-2257/...80%93-sort-of/

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                                        • Choker
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 9024

                                          #21
                                          "Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."



                                          So this means that if your content was produced before June 23rd 2005 the secondary producer requirements are not valid also?
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                                          • Titan
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2002
                                            • 994

                                            #22
                                            I think the translation into normalese is that it only applies to content produced (actually shot) after June 23, 2005 and NOT pre-existing content (shot before June 23rd) that is later published on the web or some other form.
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                                            • Hornydog4cooter
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                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 2859

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Titan
                                              I think the translation into normalese is that it only applies to content produced (actually shot) after June 23, 2005 and NOT pre-existing content (shot before June 23rd) that is later published on the web or some other form.

                                              makes you wonder why this wasnt stated before all this went down

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                                              • PixeLs
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                                                • Jul 2005
                                                • 11922

                                                #24
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                                                • Centurion
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                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 6033

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Choker
                                                  "Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."



                                                  So this means that if your content was produced before June 23rd 2005 the secondary producer requirements are not valid also?
                                                  That is correct.

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                                                  • Lace
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                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 16116

                                                    #26
                                                    thanks! gotta read this over
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                                                    • European Lee
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                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 7133

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Hornydog4cooter
                                                      makes you wonder why this wasnt stated before all this went down
                                                      Because, if it was, the FSC wouldnt have had thousands of webmasters paying them money each day up until the first court date.. DUH!

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                                                      • Hornydog4cooter
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                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                        • 2859

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by European Lee
                                                        Because, if it was, the FSC wouldnt have had thousands of webmasters paying them money each day up until the first court date.. DUH!

                                                        Regards,

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                                                        I know this i was being sarcastic........

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                                                        • European Lee
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 7133

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Hornydog4cooter
                                                          I know this i was being sarcastic........
                                                          Actually, it wasnt

                                                          The FSC took the industry for one big ol' ride and came out happy at the end of that ride, how much do you think they earnt through them and their lackeys spreading fear across the industry?

                                                          No law or regulation can realistically be back-dated, any attorney worth their salt will tell you that.

                                                          The FSC attorneys however, didnt.

                                                          Everyone who joined the FSC for 'protection' under the mis-information they spread across the industry was scammed, it really is as simple as that.

                                                          Lets just hope there isnt a really serious threat to the industry anytime soon, a lot of people wont be trusting the FSC if there is.

                                                          Of course, this is GFY so people can hardly manage to remember what happened yesterday so im sure when that time comes, the FSC will return here to fleece everyone again

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                                                          • Mutt
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                            • 34431

                                                            #30
                                                            that's exactly the way i interpreted that government response - seems to be what they're saying, ONLY content shot AFTER June,23,2005 is subject to the new additions to 2257 - which is a huge deal - and for the people who scrambled and worked their asses off trying to get in compliance for ALL their content it has to be maddening - all that time and money spent trying to comply with the fucking goverment and then 'oh we didn't mean that - you really went to all that trouble? silly pornographers!'

                                                            if they do inspect you, you're still going to have to have some proof that content produced before June, 23, 2005 was indeed shot prior to that date.
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