Originally Posted by rickholio

The fact that you 'find people forth coming in answers' is immaterial to the fact that the law stripped people of rights they once had as afforded by the fourth amendment and backed by volumes of standing case law. "Forthcoming" means little more than that they believe in what they're signing on to as being a good idea. Gonzales was also quite forthcoming with the memo issued on the legality of the use of torture.

There was no sunset clause on provision 213. Police can still 'sneak and peak' on any suspect at any time for thin cause with no notification. Provision 215, the ability to obtain secretly private records has been sunsetted. There is at least 35 instances of this clause being invoked since September 2003.

As for 'fully vetted', I daresay not. Some of the provisions have been sunsetted, but without a full and public hearing of the abuses of those provisions prior. That happened a little over a month ago. Additionally, just before the sunset provisions came into effect, the administration was pushing for investigators to be able to get Tax, Medical and Library records with NO need for judicial approval. Even the pro-act'ers balked at removing that last slender defence.