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Originally Posted by bmb
*** wrong the arab lifted the 'o' from the hindus
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These people disagree. It is, admittedly, a potentially biased source... but I've seen no counterclaim to the contrary. Citation?
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Originally Posted by bmb
*** I could set up coke smuggling ring from south America. so could you. I could not build the empire state building. a criminal enterprise is not the same this as an actual enterprise. it is much easer to destroy then it is to build
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al-Jazeera is an international news organization. al-Arabiya is as well. And perhaps you should visit dubai before you claim that arabs don't know engineering... a great many foundations of modern engineering were perfected by the arabs after sweeping across the byzantine lands in the late stages of the holy roman empire. Remember that the caliphate represented a storehouse of knowledge and wisdom unrivaled by all other cultures on the planet at one point (arguably... the chinese were doing pretty good too, but were fairly isolated and relentlessly harassed by mongols).
You're on a losing track claiming that arabs are behind the times in anything other than religious grounds, and those claims can only reasonably be made about extremist islamics, not moderates.
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Originally Posted by bdb
**** there is a reason I'm a photographer and not a politician  however a 'walk away' would be a real good start to solving the problem. their leadership has stolen all the money and now points the finger at the USA and the west in general so they don't get it in the ass .. . and the arab leadership does finance the terrorism. every plot has a Saudi in the mix somewhere, our real good buddies, the Saudis. . |
This may piss off the leftist orthodoxy, but now that the US is there, it'd better stay there. The only thing keeping that area from degenerating into a post-yugoslavia style civil war is that they'd rather keep shooting at the in-country bucketheads. Once there's nothing in the way of them killing each other, the whole area, and I mean the *WHOLE* area, will be sucked into a massive pan-arabic sectarian conflict. Syria and saudi arabia are already sending in wahabbi and sunni partisans, iran is sending in shi'a, afghanistan obviously has had people running back and forth considering their growing abilities in insurgent, asymmetric warfare.
When the iran/iraq war started, gas prices when ballistic... and that was when only 2 players were engaged in a local conflict. Imagine the devastation on the world economy if the entire opec region collapsed into open revolt and civil war.
That, imo, was what the senior Bush was trying to avoid... keep Saddam in as a beaten puppet state that at least maintained the status quo and kept the spice flowing. Now the stage is being set to engage in a panarabic battle of ideology and the rest of the world is the ones going to be fuct unless there's a serious increase in manpower to keep a lid on it.